Kath
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Post by Kath on Nov 12, 2018 21:20:50 GMT
Yep, Julian Castro. He’s the only one I’ve seen since Obama that has the X factor. He would win, hands down.
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Post by mom on Nov 12, 2018 21:50:54 GMT
I wish I had more faith in the voters of this country, but I don’t know if this country is ready to vote for a woman at the top of the ticket (in the numbers and places necessary to ensure a win). Or at least any of the names being floated. It feels very discouraging to type that out, but I find the state of our nation and how women are perceived and treated to be very discouraging most days... largely due in part to the control of the GOP IMO. I feel like we need someone with state level executive experience to step up with the resume and demeanor necessary to win. I don’t think the answer is a democratic version of DT (aka outsider. celebrity, whatever) or someone who has enough experience and exposure at the national level to have already sealed their fate with so many voters if that makes sense (aka Warren, Sanders, etc.). Like I said on the liberal thread the other day, I have never fully claimed a party and voted straight ticket. But so long as the GOP is running DT, I will never support the party and will vote Democrat (because I don’t think it is possible for the party to nominate someone worse than him if that is what it comes down to). If some miracle happens and he is gone before 2020, I am open to the best candidate. I think you make a good point about someone with national experience having their fate sealed ahead of time. The only person on a national level that I can see winning today would be Biden. People know he’s just a regular Joe. He’s pretty predictable. But for everyone else? I think you are absolutely correct.
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Post by MsChiff on Nov 12, 2018 21:57:15 GMT
IMO, if the Democrats want to secure a win, they need to run a qualified moderate regardless of sex or race. The goal isn't to get votes from Democrats, which are a pretty sure bet, as much as it is to attract the votes of those in middle--people like me that dislike Trump but wouldn't/couldn't bring themselves to support Clinton. (FTR, I voted for neither of them, not that it matters since my state is firmly blue.) What's needed are candidates that care about Americans on both sides, especially the middle and lower classes. For Democrats, Sherrod Brown, Joe Biden and Beto O'Rourke might do the job. I think Julian Castro is too closely associated with Hillary Clinton to pull off a firm victory, if a victory at all.
I would LOVE to see a moderate win, whether Democrat or Republican. What this country needs right now is a President that truly cares about ALL Americans, especially those in the middle and lower classes and that, if not all, the majority of Americans can respect and support. The last thing we need is an extremely liberal or conservative President to further divide our country.
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Post by AmandaA on Nov 12, 2018 22:12:32 GMT
I would LOVE to see a moderate win, whether Democrat or Republican. What this country needs right now is a President that truly cares about ALL Americans, especially those in the middle and lower classes and that, if not all, the majority of Americans can respect and support. The last thing we need is an extremely liberal or conservative President to further divide our country. I totally agree. It feels surreal to think that that description of a candidate feels like trying to find a unicorn to run in the current climate.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 12, 2018 22:25:28 GMT
I would LOVE to see a moderate win, whether Democrat or Republican. What this country needs right now is a President that truly cares about ALL Americans, especially those in the middle and lower classes and that, if not all, the majority of Americans can respect and support. The last thing we need is an extremely liberal or conservative President to further divide our country. I agree that this is what the country probably needs, but sadly, after seeing the Donald Trump effect in action, I do not think the voters would actually VOTE for this.
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Post by Just T on Nov 12, 2018 22:28:43 GMT
IMO, if the Democrats want to secure a win, they need to run a qualified moderate regardless of sex or race. The goal isn't to get votes from Democrats, which are a pretty sure bet, as much as it is to attract the votes of those in middle--people like me that dislike Trump but wouldn't/couldn't bring themselves to support Clinton. (FTR, I voted for neither of them, not that it matters since my state is firmly blue.) What's needed are candidates that care about Americans on both sides, especially the middle and lower classes. For Democrats, Sherrod Brown, Joe Biden and Beto O'Rourke might do the job. I think Julian Castro is too closely associated with Hillary Clinton to pull off a firm victory, if a victory at all. I would LOVE to see a moderate win, whether Democrat or Republican. What this country needs right now is a President that truly cares about ALL Americans, especially those in the middle and lower classes and that, if not all, the majority of Americans can respect and support. The last thing we need is an extremely liberal or conservative President to further divide our country. I am hopeful that we can get there in 2020.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 12, 2018 22:31:44 GMT
None of the above ESPECIALLY Cory Booker.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 12, 2018 22:37:12 GMT
My bet is that Bloomberg will run. Why else did he publicize his registering as a democrat? And I will vote for him. Who needs giant sodas anyway I probably shouldn’t say anymore about it. The last time I sincerely wanted to vote FOR a presidential candidate ( Joe Lieberman ) I must have jinxed it, same way I jinx new television show I like then they get cut.
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Post by Really Red on Nov 12, 2018 23:36:40 GMT
I love Tim Kaine. He has a lot of integrity. That said, Kamala Harris is my choice, with Beto as her running mate.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 12, 2018 23:45:16 GMT
Amy Klobuchar!!! We need someone that is peaceful, smart, truthful, humble, respected. Everything our current POTUS isn't.
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2018 23:45:47 GMT
Yep, Julian Castro. He’s the only one I’ve seen since Obama that has the X factor. He would win, hands down. I’m excited for him to get more national play. I think people will be pleasantly surprised. He’s charismatic, well-spoken, and has a gravitas that Beto hasn’t quite developed yet. Texas says: you can’t have Beto. We require him to try for the Senate one more time. 😂
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Post by dewryce on Nov 12, 2018 23:54:13 GMT
Yep, Julian Castro. He’s the only one I’ve seen since Obama that has the X factor. He would win, hands down. I’m excited for him to get more national play. I think people will be pleasantly surprised. He’s charismatic, well-spoken, and has a gravitas that Beto hasn’t quite developed yet. Texas says: you can’t have Beto. We require him to try for the Senate one more time. 😂 I don't know, this Texan would be willing to give him up if it was needed to help get the current shitshow out of the Oval Office. It would hurt, but we've got to be willing to sacrifice for the greater good. That said, I think it's too soon for him for a POTUS run. Wish he had won Senate to get more experience.
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Post by moodyblue on Nov 13, 2018 0:13:07 GMT
I honestly don't know who the right candidate might be.
My instincts say no one who has run before, and no one too old or young.
I definitely don't think Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders should run.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 13, 2018 0:14:20 GMT
he won't run and is too old.. but if wishes were horses---Jerry Brown!!!!
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Post by slkone on Nov 13, 2018 0:16:10 GMT
Beto absolutely has the X factor. Not dissing anyone's opinion, but I've never heard of Julian Castro. I will have to check him out. Beto brought out the Latinx vote and African Americans. He is absolutely capable of drawing all kinds of voters and we saw it in Texas. HOWEVER, I want him for either VP or Cornyn's Senate seat first.
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Post by PeachStatePea on Nov 13, 2018 1:01:11 GMT
I'm surprised to see Joe Biden in the lead in this poll. He's already run for president twice and didn't get very far. His prime opportunity was in 2016 after serving 8 years as VP but he chose not to run and now I think it's too late. Also, he'll be 78 in 2020. Pretty old to start all over again.
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 13, 2018 1:18:53 GMT
I think picking an older white moderate is a bad idea. Moderates faired more poorly last week than progressives did nationwide. We are simply not going to convert Trump supporters to our side with any candidate, no matter how centrist, so I think we have to go progressive to turn out the Bernie folks and others who sat out the last election. This is going to be an issue of turnout. This is what I feel as well. While I think Joe Biden would humiliate in a presidential debate, I just don't think he is the right candidate to excite independents, minorities and millennials. I like Biden and wish that he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed. In order to beat out the backwards thinking of the southern states, we need a charismatic progressive to get people excited enough to actually vote. I just don't know who that person should be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 1:47:50 GMT
I agree that we'd need someone with a VERY big following/personality/moral compass!!!
*Joe Kennedy *Biden/Obama *Michelle Obama *Beto O'Rourke *Andrew Gillum (God forbid he loses!!!) *Cory Booker as a VP *Chris Coons as a VP *Oprah as a VP (to Michelle Obama!)
As far as the ones with rockstar followings, that would be Beto and Gillum. Kennedy is up there too!
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2018 2:27:08 GMT
I agree that we'd need someone with a VERY big following/personality/moral compass!!!
*Joe Kennedy *Biden/Obama *Michelle Obama *Beto O'Rourke *Andrew Gillum (God forbid he loses!!!) *Cory Booker as a VP *Chris Coons as a VP *Oprah as a VP (to Michelle Obama!)
As far as the ones with rockstar followings, that would be Beto and Gillum. Kennedy is up there too!
No Oprah, please. No more celebrity candidates. We also need to show that we are the party of serious policy undertaking and not fake “I’m just like you” celebrities. We need to bring gravitas and intelligence back to the White House.
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Post by mlynn on Nov 13, 2018 2:33:25 GMT
I think picking an older white moderate is a bad idea. Moderates faired more poorly last week than progressives did nationwide. We are simply not going to convert Trump supporters to our side with any candidate, no matter how centrist, so I think we have to go progressive to turn out the Bernie folks and others who sat out the last election. This is going to be an issue of turnout. There are many voters who voted against Clinton, not for Trump. That is where I and many others came from. It is my hope that Clinton is not on the ticket so that I feel like I have an alternative.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 13, 2018 2:45:06 GMT
I agree that we'd need someone with a VERY big following/personality/moral compass!!!
*Joe Kennedy *Biden/Obama *Michelle Obama *Beto O'Rourke *Andrew Gillum (God forbid he loses!!!) *Cory Booker as a VP *Chris Coons as a VP *Oprah as a VP (to Michelle Obama!)
As far as the ones with rockstar followings, that would be Beto and Gillum. Kennedy is up there too!
No Oprah, please. No more celebrity candidates. We also need to show that we are the party of serious policy undertaking and not fake “I’m just like you” celebrities. We need to bring gravitas and intelligence back to the White House. Sadly the people don’t seem to want gravitas and intelligence...
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Kath
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Post by Kath on Nov 13, 2018 2:46:17 GMT
Yep, Julian Castro. He’s the only one I’ve seen since Obama that has the X factor. He would win, hands down. I’m excited for him to get more national play. I think people will be pleasantly surprised. He’s charismatic, well-spoken, and has a gravitas that Beto hasn’t quite developed yet. Texas says: you can’t have Beto. We require him to try for the Senate one more time. 😂 The first time I heard him speak at the Democratic National Convention in 2012 within 5 seconds I was like, “Holy sh!t. If this guy ever runs for office, we’re sunk.” I was a right-leaning moderate at that point, not so much anymore. My only thought at that time was the hope that the Democrats wouldn’t recognize what they had.
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Post by heather on Nov 13, 2018 3:19:52 GMT
No Oprah, please. No more celebrity candidates. We also need to show that we are the party of serious policy undertaking and not fake “I’m just like you” celebrities. We need to bring gravitas and intelligence back to the White House. Sadly the people don’t seem to want gravitas and intelligence... Yup. People want someone they can have a beer with...intelligence is for elites.
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2018 3:27:31 GMT
Sadly the people don’t seem to want gravitas and intelligence... Yup. People want someone they can have a beer with...intelligence is for elites. That’s what Trump voters think. The rest of us realize we can do better. That’s not to say we should run another stiff like John Kerry. Intelligence and gravitas can come in an enticing, dynamic package.
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Post by ellen on Nov 13, 2018 3:31:11 GMT
My senator Amy Klobuchar should be on everyone's list as a person to watch. She is smart, capable, and easy to like.
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Post by ellen on Nov 13, 2018 3:34:30 GMT
I’m excited for him to get more national play. I think people will be pleasantly surprised. He’s charismatic, well-spoken, and has a gravitas that Beto hasn’t quite developed yet. Texas says: you can’t have Beto. We require him to try for the Senate one more time. 😂 The first time I heard him speak at the Democratic National Convention in 2012 within 5 seconds I was like, “Holy sh!t. If this guy ever runs for office, we’re sunk.” I was a right-leaning conservative at that point, not so much anymore. My only thought at that time was the hope that the Democrats wouldn’t recognize what they had. At that time I had a coworker who had just moved back to MN after living in San Antonio for a couple years. I remember texting her an "OMG!" message right after he had finished his speech.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 5:29:19 GMT
I think picking an older white moderate is a bad idea. Moderates faired more poorly last week than progressives did nationwide. We are simply not going to convert Trump supporters to our side with any candidate, no matter how centrist, so I think we have to go progressive to turn out the Bernie folks and others who sat out the last election. This is going to be an issue of turnout. There are many voters who voted against Clinton, not for Trump. That is where I and many others came from. It is my hope that Clinton is not on the ticket so that I feel like I have an alternative. This is EXACTLY what DH has told me for 2 years now, and I just cannot absorb it. My cat would be a better/safer choice than Trump. We can't discuss this topic without some yelling, but I've told him that I would really love a well-written paper outlining why HRC was absolutely out of the question but Trump was somehow acceptable. (In my view, I couldn't imagine a worse candidate in the world. We New Yorkers have known about most of Trump's flaws for 40 years now!)
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Nov 13, 2018 5:42:38 GMT
I honestly don't know. I think we have some good folks rising up in the Dem. party, but none that I've seen so far seem likely to beat Trump. I'm not sure who to hope for and I hate to "waste" a good candidate in 2020, like Beto, by having them run too soon and lose.
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Post by teddyw on Nov 13, 2018 11:45:14 GMT
Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio) indicated today he is considering a run. I read that if he were to run then the governor (a republican) gets to appoint the remainder to his seat causing the dems to lose another senate seat. Also during his campaign this year there was mumbling a of him abusing his first wife. No idea if it’s true. I live in Ohio and it was part of the opponents commercials.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 13, 2018 12:57:00 GMT
Oh, I like Sherrod Brown. I think we need someone like him, or Joe Biden, or Amy Klobuchar ... not a fiery progressive, not someone too young and/or inexperienced ... but a likable, middle-of-the-road, experienced candidate who can win people over and stand up to the Orange One without being trampled by him. ETA with Beto as VP! Brown is my Senator, and I like him too. But I am not ready to make a choice yet. I like Harris from what I know about her, but want to know more. She has gotten some negative comments from Californians(Democrats) here and there, so I want to know more about that.
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