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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 17:57:05 GMT
Instead of wondering what Hillary might do based on an opinion piece let’s focus on what will happen. So far this list seems to be the ones getting ready to throw in their hats for the run.
My choice is Harris/Joe Kennedy III
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2018 18:00:11 GMT
No Beto! I want him for Cornyn’s seat in 2020.
I like the idea of Kamala Harris and Julian Castro. A Democrat with executive experience from a big red state to balance out the blue-state progressive.
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Post by coffeetalk on Nov 12, 2018 18:01:44 GMT
Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio) indicated today he is considering a run.
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Post by heather on Nov 12, 2018 18:03:33 GMT
Sen, Sherrod Brown (Ohio) indicated today he is considering a run. He is such an incredibly boring man. I think that’s exactly what we need.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 12, 2018 18:04:58 GMT
Montana Governor Steve Bullock is another name I'm seeing a lot and I like what I've read about him.
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Post by myshelly on Nov 12, 2018 18:12:51 GMT
Howard Schultz (former CEO of Starbucks) is reportedly running
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Post by lucyg on Nov 12, 2018 18:21:26 GMT
Oh, I like Sherrod Brown.
I think we need someone like him, or Joe Biden, or Amy Klobuchar ... not a fiery progressive, not someone too young and/or inexperienced ... but a likable, middle-of-the-road, experienced candidate who can win people over and stand up to the Orange One without being trampled by him.
ETA with Beto as VP!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 12, 2018 18:23:26 GMT
hmmm- not sure. I don't know enough about any of the choices you have listed. I'm afraid none of them would win against DT, though.
I heard an interview (on Dean Obiedallah, perhaps?) where the person being interviewed said whoever is going to run against Trump, it needs to be a "PERSONALITY" more so than a politician. Someone who can capture the public's attention like DT (unfortunately) did. I think Oprah would be great, personally, but she's said she's not going to, so...
if it IS going to be a politician, they need to have a HUGE personality to counter DT's nonsense and cult-like following. And I don't see any of the people listed as having that, at least from what I know about them so far. Maybe Joe Kennedy?
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Post by Jili on Nov 12, 2018 18:24:44 GMT
Oh, I like Sherrod Brown. I think we need someone like him, or Joe Biden, or Amy Klobuchar ... not a fiery progressive, not someone too young and/or inexperienced ... but a likable, middle-of-the-road, experienced candidate who can win people over and stand up to the Orange One without being trampled by him. ETA with Beto as VP! Totally agree. Sherrod has worked hard on behalf of the people of OH for many years. I find him very likable and appealing.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 12, 2018 18:25:07 GMT
I would love to see Beto. I am good with Biden. I love Kamala.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 12, 2018 18:26:02 GMT
Oh, I like Sherrod Brown. I think we need someone like him, or Joe Biden, or Amy Klobuchar ... not a fiery progressive, not someone too young and/or inexperienced ... but a likable, middle-of-the-road, experienced candidate who can win people over and stand up to the Orange One without being trampled by him. ETA with Beto as VP! He is my rep and he is AWESOME! I love him! He does right by the people. He's relatable, and he is not a far lefty.
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Post by Jili on Nov 12, 2018 18:28:52 GMT
Oh, I like Sherrod Brown. I think we need someone like him, or Joe Biden, or Amy Klobuchar ... not a fiery progressive, not someone too young and/or inexperienced ... but a likable, middle-of-the-road, experienced candidate who can win people over and stand up to the Orange One without being trampled by him. ETA with Beto as VP! He is my rep and he is AWESOME! I love him! He does right by the people. He's relatable, and he is not a far lefty.
Not that it matters, but I adore his wife (journalist Connie Schultz). I haven't lived in OH for years, but I read her columns and now follow her on FB.
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Post by sabrinae on Nov 12, 2018 18:30:58 GMT
Ojeda from West Virginia announces he is running. He’s a Democrat who voted for Trump and quickly regretted it. Military veteran. Very much a red state democrat. He just lost his election to his republican opponent. I don’t like home for Pr side t but he’s throwing his hat in
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 18:36:49 GMT
Sorry to disagree with some of you, but the last thing the party of diversity needs is an old white guy a the top of the ticket.
Nor should the ticket have two minorities either. With Kamala Harris you have a woman of color so I believe to balance it out her running mate should be a young white guy. My choice would be Joe Kennedy III or Beto.
To me a ticket like this would be laying the groundwork that the VP would be elected President once Harris is out of office.
I like Amy Klobuchar but I don’t think she has what it takes to be President.
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Post by Sorrel on Nov 12, 2018 18:57:17 GMT
John Hickenlooper (Colorado gov) has hinted at a run in 2020, but not sure if anything has come of it yet.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 12, 2018 18:58:11 GMT
Tammy Duckworth.
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Post by quinlove on Nov 12, 2018 19:08:58 GMT
Beto is on fire. Harris or Warren would be good, and what we need. What Democrat doesn’t want a Kennedy. I’ve liked what I’ve seen of Joe K. Well, not much here in Texas. Should def be an exciting race.
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Post by carhoch on Nov 12, 2018 19:16:02 GMT
I like Tim Kane and Kamala Harris
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Post by Mystie on Nov 12, 2018 19:39:25 GMT
Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio is reportedly considering a run and I would vote for him wholeheartedly. He would be a great candidate to run against Trump...he's got the credentials of working to represent the blue-collar "little people" and he is a deeply compassionate and intelligent guy with a lot of government experience. He's also a late-middle-aged white guy, and I think that's who it will take to beat Trump, unfortunately, wonderful as it would be to have a woman president or another person of color.
ETA: I also like Tim Kaine very much.
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Post by Mystie on Nov 12, 2018 19:43:28 GMT
Sorry to disagree with some of you, but the last thing the party of diversity needs is an old white guy a the top of the ticket. If it were any other election with any other person in the incumbent's seat, I'd agree with you, but what is paramount is to do whatever it takes to beat Trump. And that is gonna take an old white guy, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 19:55:42 GMT
Paul Waldman column in The Prospect ....
“The Midterms Showed that the Real America Is Democratic”
“Republicans represent white men, and Democrats represent everyone else.” This is why ,IMO, the Democrats can’t put an old white guy at the top of the ticket.
You’ve heard lots of figures from the 2018 election, but here's what may be the most remarkable one: Once the last couple of House races finish counting, Republicans will have only between 12 and 14 women in their caucus, out of around 200 members. You'll be able to fit all the Republican congresswomen in one van.
Before the election there were 23 of them, which was nothing to be proud of, but between retirements, defeats, and some running for higher office, the number was slashed almost in half—even as a wave of successful Democratic women candidates brings the total number of women in the House over 100 for the first time. Democrats are an even more diverse party, and Republicans are almost entirely represented by white men, a group that makes up 30 percent of the American population.
That's just one of the ways in which this election moved the two parties apart. They're even more different ideologically than they were before, but perhaps most strikingly, they represent two very different Americas. Or it might be more accurate to say that one party imperfectly represents the whole country, while the other represents only one part of it.
Yet weirdly enough, the media are full of news articles, opinion columns, and debates asking how Democrats can formulate a successful strategy to win over those who don't regularly vote for them or whether they actually need to, while no one seems to be asking a similar set of questions about Republicans.
Maybe that's because by now the idea that the Republican Party could persuade significant numbers of racial minorities to vote for its candidates is so ridiculous it doesn't even bear discussing. Or maybe they might be able to do so at some point in the future, but they certainly won't be able to as long as their party is led by Donald Trump, who is not only an obvious racist on a personal basis, but also views stoking racial fear and resentment as his clearest path to political success.
As for the Democrats, the question everyone is posing for them is: When they pick a candidate and a strategy for 2020, should they try to appeal to the middle or excite their base?
When it's asked, the responses are predictable: Liberal Democrats say the party needs a liberal, and moderate Democrats say the party needs a moderate. And while both can find individual races and pieces of evidence to support their claim, the liberals have the better of the argument, even if they both have reasonable points to make.
That's because no on state or district is a microcosm of the whole country. Let's take Senator Claire McCaskill, who lost her re-election race in Missouri by six points. "People need to realize my problem wasn't getting Democrats to vote for me," McCaskill told The New York Times. "I hope that no one thinks that because some of the red-state Democrat moderates lost that means we have to nominate a progressive." The problem with that analysis is that the 2020 Democratic nominee won't be trying to win Missouri—which Trump won in 2016 by 19 points—she'll be trying to win the whole country.
McCaskill's problem was indeed that there simply weren't enough Democrats in her state to bring her to victory, but that isn't the case everywhere. Take a look at another interesting race, in Georgia's 6th congressional district. You may recall that in 2017, a special election in the district became the most expensive House race in history, with a staggering $80 million spent by the candidates and outside groups. Democrat Jon Ossoff, who ran a campaign denuded of partisanship and focused on issues like economic development, lost narrowly to Karen Handel. Last Tuesday, Handel was beaten by Lucy McBath, a African American woman who got involved in politics as a gun regulation advocate after her son was murdered in 2012 by a white man who thought the 17-year-old and his friends were playing their music too loud.
Handel might reasonably attribute her defeat to Donald Trump, because the Georgia Sixth District—suburban, increasingly racially diverse, and represented by Republicans for the last 40 years—is precisely the kind of place where the GOP had such trouble this year. Many of the losses the party suffered came because college-educated white women turned away from them in disgust.
That has helped to change the face of both parties in Congress. As Ron Brownstein notes, the midterms "blew away much of the white-collar wing of the Republican House caucus...It has tilted the remaining caucus more toward the working-class, small town and rural places where President Trump is strongest." That also means that it's even whiter and more male than it was before.
For the Democrats it's just the opposite: Their voter coalition is a combination of white liberals, African Americans, Latinos, Asian-Americans, and members of other minority groups. They're particularly strong in cities and suburbs. And they now have more women in their caucus than ever, including dynamic young women of color like Sharice Davids, Rashida Tlaib, and Jahana Hayes.
The 2020 election starts now (c'mon, admit it—you're a little bit excited), and though no one candidate can embody every element of a diverse coalition like the Democrats have, the campaign is likely to make the differences between the two parties even more stark. We know what kind of campaign Donald Trump is going to run, and the rest of his party will follow his lead. And even in the unlikely event Democrats make a moderate white guy their presidential nominee, he'll still have to motivate that diverse coalition if he's to have any chance at winning.
Which means that the 2020 election could do just what the 2018 election did: Make clear how different the two parties are, and move them even farther apart.
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Post by lisae on Nov 12, 2018 20:02:08 GMT
Sorry to disagree with some of you, but the last thing the party of diversity needs is an old white guy a the top of the ticket. If it were any other election with any other person in the incumbent's seat, I'd agree with you, but what is paramount is to do whatever it takes to beat Trump. And that is gonna take an old white guy, IMO. I agree that the key requirement of any candidate is that he or she can win. It isn't about it being someone's turn or their gender or their race. The only thing that matters to me is that the Democratic candidate can fairly win against the incumbent. I don't know enough about Harris. Biden might be a good pick though I don't think he will bring out younger voters. I don't want Warren as she is even more polarizing than Clinton and brings nothing in terms of electoral votes. The problem is there still isn't anyone that I feel sure can win.
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Post by J u l e e on Nov 12, 2018 20:04:38 GMT
He is my rep and he is AWESOME! I love him! He does right by the people. He's relatable, and he is not a far lefty.
Not that it matters, but I adore his wife (journalist Connie Schultz). I haven't lived in OH for years, but I read her columns and now follow her on FB. Me too. She has made Sherrod Brown even more likeable to me, because I like her so much!
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2018 20:07:52 GMT
I think picking an older white moderate is a bad idea. Moderates faired more poorly last week than progressives did nationwide. We are simply not going to convert Trump supporters to our side with any candidate, no matter how centrist, so I think we have to go progressive to turn out the Bernie folks and others who sat out the last election. This is going to be an issue of turnout.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 12, 2018 20:13:16 GMT
I don't think the US is going to elect a female President... yet. I would love to see a Biden/Harris ticket.
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Post by littlemama on Nov 12, 2018 20:42:10 GMT
I don't think Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren is the answer.
I like Joe Biden, Joe Kennedy III, Kristen Gillibrand, Tim Kaine, Kamala Harris, Beto O'Rourke.
I do not see a woman winning in 2020, no matter how qualified.
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Post by AmandaA on Nov 12, 2018 21:02:14 GMT
I wish I had more faith in the voters of this country, but I don’t know if this country is ready to vote for a woman at the top of the ticket (in the numbers and places necessary to ensure a win). Or at least any of the names being floated. It feels very discouraging to type that out, but I find the state of our nation and how women are perceived and treated to be very discouraging most days... largely due in part to the control of the GOP IMO.
I feel like we need someone with state level executive experience to step up with the resume and demeanor necessary to win. I don’t think the answer is a democratic version of DT (aka outsider. celebrity, whatever) or someone who has enough experience and exposure at the national level to have already sealed their fate with so many voters if that makes sense (aka Warren, Sanders, etc.).
Like I said on the liberal thread the other day, I have never fully claimed a party and voted straight ticket. But so long as the GOP is running DT, I will never support the party and will vote Democrat (because I don’t think it is possible for the party to nominate someone worse than him if that is what it comes down to). If some miracle happens and he is gone before 2020, I am open to the best candidate.
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Post by peano on Nov 12, 2018 21:12:08 GMT
Sen, Sherrod Brown (Ohio) indicated today he is considering a run. He is such an incredibly boring man. I think that’s exactly what we need. Yep! Boring is going to look pretty darn good in 2020.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 12, 2018 21:17:20 GMT
Julian Castro...well either of the Castro brothers would probably get my vote.
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Post by mom on Nov 12, 2018 21:19:38 GMT
Oh, I like Sherrod Brown.
I think we need someone like him, or Joe Biden, or Amy Klobuchar ... not a fiery progressive, not someone too young and/or inexperienced ... but a likable, middle-of-the-road, experienced candidate who can win people over and stand up to the Orange One without being trampled by him.
ETA with Beto as VP! I agree with this, and where things are right now I could vote for any of those three. I like Beto, but I think he needs to stay in Texas.
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