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Post by craftedbys on Dec 31, 2018 15:38:21 GMT
By a lazy, inconsiderate, asshole. Please excuse the vent, but I am pissed and disappointed and don't want to take it out on DH. Will try to make this brief.
DH has had issues with his #2 guy at work since he started there in August as the boss. A couple of no call no shows, leaving at the end of his 8.5 hours with tasks unfinished and not letting DH know he's leaving, just not a team player.
Because dude is salaried and not hourly, it is much more difficult to fire him.
Anyway, at the beginning of December DH was looking at the calendar and saw dude was scheduled off for the last 2 weeks of the year, which in that industry is unheard of. Christmas is the busiest time of year and many companies have an unwritten "don't even think of asking off those two weeks" policy.
The guy had asked off months before DH took over (he's like the 3rd guy they have had in less than 2 years. The place had been really poorly run and they brought in DH to fix it.
Back to today. Last week DH looked at the guy's time and realized he did not have enough vacation and sick time to cover through the end of the year so DH called, emailed, and texted him. Took him a day and a half to actually get to talk to this guy to tell him he had to work today.
You see where this is going, don't you? Yep, he no called no showes today. DH had just gone in to make sure the guy was there because if he had been, DH could have taken a 1/2 day of vacation and would only lose 3 for the year. (Why it is not illegal for companies to not pay or roll over vacation days is a while other pist.)
So now instead of us being able to have family time and do the things we had planned DH is at work doing the job of 2 other people because he had another no call no show.
The work ethic of people today sucks. People don't seem to care if they are fired of not, there is another company right down the road that will hire them, and in the meantime, they can sit on their butts in January and not have to get out in the cold.
And this guy is the supervisor so he scheduled 3 other key people off last week, no caring that it would screw with operations, and knowing that once he approved it, DH couldn't unapprove them.
Thankfully, this is the last nail for this guy and DH has already started the termination process with HR, but does nothing to salvage our day. We are not NYE celebrates, we prefer to go out and do something during the day before the crazies hit the streets.
Thank you for listening to me bitch and vent. Now I can Elsa it and get on with my day.
Happy New Year's Peas!!
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Post by originalvanillabean on Dec 31, 2018 15:44:26 GMT
I’m so sorry.
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Post by destined2bmom on Dec 31, 2018 15:46:59 GMT
You know when I was working I would never think of doing what this guy did. I am glad that the termination process will begin. I am sorry that it ruined your day. I hope that he also writes up the other employees.
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Post by christinec68 on Dec 31, 2018 15:47:55 GMT
That sucks. I'm glad he's finally being terminated.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Dec 31, 2018 15:48:06 GMT
I'm so sorry. That just sucks so badly.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Dec 31, 2018 15:48:35 GMT
UGH! People just are not responsible!
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Post by jenjie on Dec 31, 2018 15:56:28 GMT
I’m sorry. So frustrating!
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Post by cindyupnorth on Dec 31, 2018 15:57:07 GMT
While it sucks for you, it's actually part of your dh's job. It's what he was brought in to do. To run the place better, which means doing just what he's doing. Firing certain people and showing up when needed. That makes other employees respect him. I would respect someone who showed up at work and did this, over someone who just stayed home, and fired the guy from home, etc. So while it sucks, its only one day, and things will start to get better at his job with not dealing with this other guy.
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Post by Really Red on Dec 31, 2018 16:00:12 GMT
Glad your DH can now fire him. Everyone's work ethic is not like this. I have 3 kids who, while college students, would never dream of leaving someone in the lurch. I work with a team of 6 people and 1 person would do it, but she has young kids and that would be her only excuse. She wouldn't do it for another reason. Your DH can get good people in there. Good luck and sorry he loses his vacation. I agree with you that that is not right (I am also losing some days )
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 16:01:46 GMT
My husband is at work today, because the spouse of the person that is supposed to be there is ill and anything that disrupts spouse’s plans could send the spouse to the hospital. Who the hell cares if any if the other employees have plans. If feels like we are all held hostage by this person. Everybody that works with this person has been more than understanding for the past 10 years. Enough is enough.
Whew, I wish I could that in real life.
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Post by brandy327 on Dec 31, 2018 16:03:34 GMT
Yeah, that just sucks. I'm sorry your plans are ruined but I'm glad to hear that he's going to be fired. That's inexcusable behavior.
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Post by yivit on Dec 31, 2018 16:26:44 GMT
Yes, that sucks. Glad this was the last straw. Sounds like your DH should be getting that unwritten policy into writing along with additional approvals for time off during the traditional busy periods.
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Post by cade387 on Dec 31, 2018 19:28:22 GMT
I would also have your DH request a one time payout for his time he could t take, given that he had to come in. Our company has a use it or lose it policy as well but in extenuating circumstances they will pay out.
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Post by roberta on Dec 31, 2018 19:39:53 GMT
Sorry your plans are messed up.
Couple of thoughts on the work situation: Sounds like a few changes to company policy are in order - first no show without a call is a warning, second is disciplined and third is fired. - Any leave during certain periods must be oked by the boss. - more written policies to this effect- whatever needs changing
I cannot begin to imagine having this kind of attitude at a job! Thank goodness he is being fired.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 19:46:05 GMT
I know this guy is a jerk, but sounds like the previous administration allowed him to calendar it off and should have addressed it as soon as it happened or shortly thereafter. By leaving it on the calendar and/or not denying it until right before his leave, it gave the impression that it was approved which is what this guy relied on. I'm confused, but if no one is supposed to have any time off during the last two weeks, how was your DH supposed to take half a day off?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 19:56:12 GMT
While it sucks for you, it's actually part of your dh's job. It's what he was brought in to do. To run the place better, which means doing just what he's doing. Firing certain people and showing up when needed. That makes other employees respect him. I would respect someone who showed up at work and did this, over someone who just stayed home, and fired the guy from home, etc. So while it sucks, its only one day, and things will start to get better at his job with not dealing with this other guy. I agree with cindyupnorth, he is doing what is respected and expected. This sure does suck that #2 messed things up for your family but I assume your DH gets #1 style pay for the junk stuff #1 guys have to do and I hope he can make it up to the family next weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 19:56:34 GMT
I completely understand. My DH is at work right now instead of home with us for similar reasons. I validate and share your frustration.
However, I think not telling the guy til last week that he couldn't actually take today off is crummy too because undoubtedly they had already made their holiday plans. The guy is in the wrong by not showing up and I'm sorry your family has to compensate, but I can see his POV for this day too.
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Post by disneypal on Dec 31, 2018 20:08:46 GMT
I am sorry and I totally get your vent...your DH has to fill in for people that aren't doing their jobs. The work ethic of people today sucks. People don't seem to care if they are fired of not So, so true. We have an employee whose last day was today - she turned in a 2 week notice and since then has called in 4 times (I know she is trying to use her sick leave up because you don't get paid for it when you leave, you only get paid for unused annual leave). Today she didn't even bother to show up, even though today is her official last day..she didn't call or anything. She has been a good employee and did a good job but the minute she turned in her notice she checked out...and stopped doing her job, guess she doesn't care that she burns bridges (which she did today). When someone turns in their 2 weeks, you might as well let them go then because they aren't going to pull their load those last 2 weeks (in most cases).
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Post by dald222 on Dec 31, 2018 20:18:49 GMT
I am sorry this happened to you
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Post by Zee on Dec 31, 2018 20:41:31 GMT
So he was already approved because there was no real policy in place and your DH called to tell him he had to come in so DH could have a half day off, is how this reads to me. I'd be pissed if I was the other guy too, and probably be looking for another job anyway.
Probably his wife is posting somewhere else about her DH's new boss trying to ruin her holiday plans. Lol
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Post by craftedbys on Dec 31, 2018 22:23:31 GMT
To clarify, DH wasn't making him come in so he could take time off, he was making him come in because he had used all of his vacation days and sick days and had none left to cover the hours for today. So it wouldn't have been fair to others to let him choose to take a day off without pay (which technically because he is salaried he can't do anyway) .
Plus, DH may have said he was going to take a half day, but knowing him he would have stayed until the work was done. He is all about leading from the front and leading by example (a holdover from his Army and LEO days).
And it is not so much that he had to work today, because he has had to work several years, when he was a LEO he always had to work either Christmas or New Year's. What bugs me is we would have made different/other plans. Now DH has been up since 4am and has worked an almost 12 hour day and will be tired and ready for bed by 8:30. Some New Year's, .
As I told the kids, that guy's selfishness didn't just impact us, but everyone who was at work today didn't get to leave early, which is what would have happened if people had shown up and done their jobs.
And yes, him losing vacation days really sucks. I think it should be illegal for a company to not pay you or roll your intake days, hut apparently it is legal from what our research turns up. So I guess a company can offer you 30 days of vacation and then just not let you take it .
Thank you for letting me vent. Don't want to carry anger into the new year.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 31, 2018 22:36:40 GMT
The work ethic of some people just amazes me.
Kudos that you gave a thoughtful, honorable DH.
Glad that he started the termination papers on the asshole.
Get your Elsa on!
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 1, 2019 1:07:48 GMT
I completely understand. My DH is at work right now instead of home with us for similar reasons. I validate and share your frustration. However, I think not telling the guy til last week that he couldn't actually take today off is crummy too because undoubtedly they had already made their holiday plans. The guy is in the wrong by not showing up and I'm sorry your family has to compensate, but I can see his POV for this day too. I respectfully disagree. The employee should know he did not have enough PTO to take off the entire time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 1:32:38 GMT
I respectfully disagree. The employee should know he did not have enough PTO to take off the entire time. Right, but at the same time someone granted him the time off because it was on the calendar. No one told him no until right before his leave. I've been at jobs where people took more time off than they had, but it was okay as long as it was approved and they knew they weren't going to be paid.
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Post by txdancermom on Jan 1, 2019 1:43:46 GMT
that sucks.
your dh needs to talk to hr and bring up that he was unable to take 3 days of vacation and is losing them because of this...they may allow him to take the days in the early part of the year - one company I worked for did that for some of us who were caught with leave left.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 1, 2019 12:34:49 GMT
I respectfully disagree. The employee should know he did not have enough PTO to take off the entire time. Right, but at the same time someone granted him the time off because it was on the calendar. No one told him no until right before his leave. I've been at jobs where people took more time off than they had, but it was okay as long as it was approved and they knew they weren't going to be paid. Valid point.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 1, 2019 14:07:04 GMT
Salaried employees can be charged unpaid PTO. I manage all the PTO for our managers and above and charge unpaid PTO when required.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jan 1, 2019 14:25:36 GMT
I am salaried and I definitely can take unpaid days off. If this is a rule at your DH company, did the worker know this?
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Jan 1, 2019 14:45:37 GMT
I am sorry that your family plans got ruined. I also agree that some people are assholes and have no work ethic. However, I don't see how someone who doesn't have enough paid time off can't still take it off. As long as they know they aren't getting paid, it's no skin of the companies nose.
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Post by Country Ham on Jan 1, 2019 15:28:48 GMT
leaving at the end of his 8.5 hours with tasks unfinished and not letting DH know he's leaving, just not a team player. You never said what work they all do but I never understood why it's considered a poor work ethic to leave at the end of your shift. Especially if a person is salaried rather then paid hourly. That means no overtime pay. The guy had asked off months before DH took over Then he gets his time off if it was approved. They tried that once with me at the hospital I worked at. They would call us in for overtime and our choices were "time back" or "time and a half pay". I said I would come in and work the 8 hour night for a certain 12 hour Saturday night off in the future (I gave the date). They were desperate for the shift coverage and I really wanted that night off. Well they instituted a policy saying that the shift supervisor could not promise us certain weekend shifts off any more. They tried to take my Saturday night back and I threatened to go to the union because I had been promised it before the policy changed. I also never did a weekend OT or night shift OT ever again. I didn't care how much they begged, I only did the OT to get myself the Saturday nights off. DH had just gone in to make sure the guy was there because if he had been, DH could have taken a 1/2 day of vacation and would only lose 3 for the year. I thought no one could take vacation? DH has already started the termination process with HR, but does nothing to salvage our day. Probably should of been done a long time ago due to the no calls no shows. I assume the other no call no shows are being laid off too.
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