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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 13:26:24 GMT
On Brexit?
How likely do you think a referendum based on May's current deal is? Would that be at all helpful? If not, hard exit? Something else?
I think Brexit and the Trump presidency are so tightly linked. It's interesting to me to follow for that reason, among many others. Just wondering your takes since you're so much more knowledgeable and affected.
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Post by mrst on Jan 16, 2019 13:32:51 GMT
I'm really past caring. I would rather stay in, but anything else will just mean we have to get on and cope. Just make a decision!
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Post by gar on Jan 16, 2019 13:44:30 GMT
Ugh...it's unbearable! There seems to be so many possibilities: a second referendum, a general election, a no deal Brexit, no Brexit at all, a delayed Brexit...frankly it'd be a brave person who predicts what'll happen next.
They really need to get over the squabbling and work together to do SOMEthing! The interminable indecision is hurting everyone.
ETA I voted remain but even if we end up not leaving the EU I don't know how things will stand now.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 16, 2019 14:12:39 GMT
On Brexit? How likely do you think a referendum based on May's current deal is? Would that be at all helpful? If not, hard exit? Something else? I think Brexit and the Trump presidency are so tightly linked. It's interesting to me to follow for that reason, among many others. Just wondering your takes since you're so much more knowledgeable and affected. i think yes, they are both linked. In many ways. Rise of ‘otherism’ around the world ( it’s not just the US ) Rise of voter apathy or ‘so there’ votes, or stupid votes, or thoughtless follow my party votes Meddling of outside forces ( Russia for one with Isreal & China in the mix ) Lack of informed voters clinging to catchy sound bytes for decision making Personally, and I’m not a citizen so they probably don’t care for my opinion, I think they should vote again and maybe have one choice be ‘fuck it we screwed up let’s stay’ but that’s just me. I mean if you can’t figure out how to leave in over 2 years then perhaps leaving wasn’t the best idea? Again, UK citizens feel free to ignore since it really is none of my business. Because we have our own issues we are incapable of dealing with - ( emoluments clause anyone? ) The instability of EU & NATO are Putin’s goal and he has made it obvious. I also think it’s China’s goal but I have nothing to point to for back up on that just my thoughts |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 14:18:20 GMT
I thought Fry did a good job on this video.
The real enemy is not immigrants, but manipulation of fear.
Lots of stats starting at 5:00 or so.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 16, 2019 14:19:46 GMT
I am sick of the whole thing. Another public vote on ANY aspect is going to leave us in a similar position I imagine, unless it’s a landslide one way or the other, because people didn’t have a clue the first time round and they will know even less this time.
What do I hope is the next step? I would love us to stay and and be welcomed back with open arms but that’s never going to happen. I would also like Jeremy Corbyn to shut up but that’s not going to happen either.
I’m just as befuddled as everyone else at the moment.
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Post by gar on Jan 16, 2019 14:25:13 GMT
Here's a pretty good guide to the options BBC |
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Post by muggins on Jan 16, 2019 15:01:46 GMT
I’m a staunch remainer. But, whichever side of the fence people have chosen, for whatever reason, I think the majority feel it’s become a complete mess. I’ve been listening to the radio obsessively and the predictions and opinions are seemingly endless. I’m sick of the whole damn thing.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 16, 2019 15:17:05 GMT
I know we have to follow due process and I know we have to be seen to be following due process but it does irritate me when yesterday’s vote against was pretty much a foregone conclusion just as Corbyn calling for a vote of no confidence was a foregone conclusion and imvho a vote of no confidence will fail. I wish all this phaffing around would stop and the time wasted on it would be used to come up with some joint suggestions/decisions that might actually move us forward.
As to the Russians and the Chinese, we can manage to make a pig’s ear of things on our own, we don’t need them infiltrating to cause mayhem. Seriously, I do not believe they feature much in any event.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 15:44:37 GMT
Here's a pretty good guide to the options BBCTY! If it's a hard brexit, would a border go up btw UK and Ireland? Who would put it up? If no border goes up, does that break customs and/or immigration rules in either the UK or the EU or both? Just if you know. I can obviously google, but it's always nice to hear from the peas who are living a situation. |
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Post by joelise on Jan 16, 2019 18:31:47 GMT
I’ve stopped watching the news!  |
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Post by wellway on Jan 16, 2019 19:36:15 GMT
I know we have to follow due process and I know we have to be seen to be following due process but it does irritate me when yesterday’s vote against was pretty much a foregone conclusion just as Corbyn calling for a vote of no confidence was a foregone conclusion and imvho a vote of no confidence will fail. I wish all this phaffing around would stop and the time wasted on it would be used to come up with some joint suggestions/decisions that might actually move us forward. As to the Russians and the Chinese, we can manage to make a pig’s ear of things on our own, we don’t need them infiltrating to cause mayhem. Seriously, I do not believe they feature much in any event. Surprise, surprise she survived the vote of no confidence. I think that seeds of discontent with the eu were sown a long long time ago and watered on a regular basis by some of the more popular tabloid papers. |
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Post by wellway on Jan 16, 2019 19:52:03 GMT
Here's a pretty good guide to the options BBCTY! If it's a hard brexit, would a border go up btw UK and Ireland? Who would put it up? If no border goes up, does that break customs and/or immigration rules in either the UK or the EU or both? Just if you know. I can obviously google, but it's always nice to hear from the peas who are living a situation. It's so complicated but here is one article on the situation. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46892372 |
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Post by papersilly on Jan 16, 2019 20:36:38 GMT
They really need to get over the squabbling and work together to do SOMEthing! The interminable indecision is hurting everyone. i'm sure this can be said about our government shutdown too. |
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Post by gillyp on Jan 18, 2019 23:33:18 GMT
 I didnt know whether to laugh or cry at this on FaceBook. |
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Post by gar on Jan 18, 2019 23:38:54 GMT
Oh dear... it’s tragic really... what are we (they!!!) doing??
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jan 19, 2019 11:35:36 GMT
I would rather stay in, but anything else will just mean we have to get on and cope. This just sounds like the most British answer ever. Love it! |
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jan 19, 2019 13:43:48 GMT
Another staunch remainer here, who wants to see another referendum.
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Post by gar on Jan 19, 2019 13:56:59 GMT
Another staunch remainer here, who wants to see another referendum. How do you square it in your head anniebygaslight, when people say that you can't just re-do something like this when it doesn't go right? That it'll lead the way to suggesting a re-do whenever the result is problematic. FTR I'm leaning that way myself, this isn't criticism  |
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jan 19, 2019 15:04:59 GMT
Another staunch remainer here, who wants to see another referendum. How do you square it in your head anniebygaslight , when people say that you can't just re-do something like this when it doesn't go right? That it'll lead the way to suggesting a re-do whenever the result is problematic. FTR I'm leaning that way myself, this isn't criticism The last referendum was hastily and badly prepared, largely because the powers that be did not anticipate that that 'leave' would win, albeit by a tiny majority. Let's not forget that Farage stated that if it had gone the other way, by a small majority, he would demand a second referendum. Funny that he seems to have forgotten this. Many the people voted leave because they believed the lies/promises made by that little turd Farage and his associates about the millions that were going to be ploughed into the NHS, among other things. Now that we have a better handle on things, we can make a better informed decision. One thing has been made abundantly clear - our representatives in parliament are second rate self seekers. |
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Post by gar on Jan 19, 2019 16:49:23 GMT
How do you square it in your head anniebygaslight , when people say that you can't just re-do something like this when it doesn't go right? That it'll lead the way to suggesting a re-do whenever the result is problematic. FTR I'm leaning that way myself, this isn't criticism The last referendum was hastily and badly prepared, largely because the powers that be did not anticipate that that 'leave' would win, albeit by a tiny majority. Let's not forget that Farage stated that if it had gone the other way, by a small majority, he would demand a second referendum. Funny that he seems to have forgotten this. Many the people voted leave because they believed the lies/promises made by that little turd Farage and his associates about the millions that were going to be ploughed into the NHS, among other things. Now that we have a better handle on things, we can make a better informed decision. One thing has been made abundantly clear - our representatives in parliament are second rate self seekers. Agree with you on all of that! |
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