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Post by freecharlie on Jan 22, 2019 4:12:53 GMT
Does anyone know if that type of behavior (the chants, etc) common in schools around there? Or is that unique to this school? Lots of schools around here do similar things. For them, and us, it fosters school spirit and the kids get really into it. We sing the fight song Do the roller coaster thing (except the throwing up part) Jump and sing with Sweet Caroline and have various chants One school we played sang Silent Night anytime one of our players was taking a free throw.
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Post by lurkyloo on Jan 22, 2019 4:42:37 GMT
I did a lot of illegal shit as a teen. Like, a lot. Not once did I ever get in an elderly war vet’s face and incite a riot to degrade his ancestry. That’s next level hatred bullshit, right there. That’s not typical teen crime. In 7th grade I did slap a girl’s face hard when she called my Vietnamese friend and her sister “rice pickers” and pulled her eyes tight with her fingers. Even though I went on to a colorful high school career of ingesting illegal substances, breaking and entering, stealing cars, and other escapades, I had my basic morals down. That kid is garbage, and his friends are garbage. I suppose I’m skeptical that he can one day become the kind of person to be absolutely horrified by his behavior. Breaking into someone's house and stealing cars shows that you have your basic morals down? I don't understand the logic there, maybe you can expand on that some? Yeah, it certainly sounds bad. It was never anyone’s house! It was the YMCA. And the car...not a stranger’s but we were still reported. We were stupid 15 year olds who made victimless stupid choices that were illegal, but never harmed anyone or harmed any property, never frightened anyone or chanted shitty racist slogans at elderly Native Americans. My point was that even then, as crappy delinquent kids, we weren’t hateful little racist bastards. There are teens who make bad choices that are illegal while still being basically good people (me), and then there are teens who are the type who will grow up into people who sew little KKK hoods for their toddlers or the type who will grow up to slip drugs into some girl’s drink on spring break and let five of his buddies rape her behind a dumpster.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 22, 2019 4:42:56 GMT
Does anyone know if that type of behavior (the chants, etc) common in schools around there? Or is that unique to this school? Lots of schools around here do similar things. For them, and us, it fosters school spirit and the kids get really into it. We sing the fight song Do the roller coaster thing (except the throwing up part) Jump and sing with Sweet Caroline and have various chants One school we played sang Silent Night anytime one of our players was taking a free throw. While I find their over the top antics creepy I tried to put myself in their shoes as high schoolers. I could see stuff like that being, or try to be, fun/funloving. But when they are off the school groundd, out in public and using the over the top, aggressive antics to intimate others, it crosses the line to me.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 22, 2019 4:49:22 GMT
Lots of schools around here do similar things. For them, and us, it fosters school spirit and the kids get really into it. We sing the fight song Do the roller coaster thing (except the throwing up part) Jump and sing with Sweet Caroline and have various chants One school we played sang Silent Night anytime one of our players was taking a free throw. While I find their over the top antics creepy I tried to put myself in their shoes as high schoolers. I could see stuff like that being, or try to be, fun/funloving. But when they are off the school grounds, out in public and using the over the top, aggressive antics to intimate others, it crosses the line to me.I would totally agree with the bolded part. The kids do it at sporting events and pep assemblies.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 22, 2019 4:50:37 GMT
long, in depth and interesting thread from someone there
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Post by linda~lou on Jan 22, 2019 5:10:39 GMT
trump’s latest tweet. HE SUPPORTS THE KID. This makes me sick. He's such a blatant racist. Of course he's going to side with anyone wearing his stupid racist hat.
Donald J Trump: Looking like Nick Sandman & Covington Catholic students were treated unfairly with early judgements proving out to be false - smeared by media. Not good, but making big comeback! “New footage shows that media was wrong about teen’s encounter with Native American” @tuckercarlson
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 5:14:35 GMT
I see the Covington "Crazies" (THEIR name) took down their compilation video that was linked upthread. I guess they're not so proud of the bullshit antics after all. They looked like a bunch of hopped up coke heads in a cult after drinking red bull and watching blood sport. ETA: Someone must have mirrored it. What is it about this video that they should be ashamed of? I don't see it, what am I missing? It does put their chanting on the controversial video into a much different perspective. After seeing this video I understand their chanting more. Their chanting when the Native American was drumming seems very in line with how they show their school spirit. After seeing their school spirit video, I no longer see their chanting as aggressive and menacing, but more as sharing the spirit of the drumming and chanting the Native American was doing. It's what they do at their sporting events and apparently other schools do it too.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 22, 2019 10:42:55 GMT
I think that those boys acted like jerks, but doxing is wrong, IMO. I don’t want them expelled either, but I think that assigning them service time with those less fortunate would be appropriate, They have a lot of work to do before anyone else should have to deal with them. We shouldn’t punish the less fortunate with their presence. We’ll agree to disagree. I don’t think that expelling them will do much character building. I’d like them to experience firsthand how the other half lives.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 22, 2019 10:52:20 GMT
They have a lot of work to do before anyone else should have to deal with them. We shouldn’t punish the less fortunate with their presence. We’ll agree to disagree. I don’t think that expelling them will do much character building. I’d like them to experience firsthand how the other half lives.while I agree with the sentiment (bolded) and am undecided on expulsion, I don't think further enrollment in that school will benefit them in any way seeing "how the other half lives." maybe they should be enrolled in a more diverse school.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 22, 2019 11:16:33 GMT
Did not say it came from the WH................... As bolded: Some of the Behavior in the WH has filtered down to others.That's just semantics so I stand by what I said. Nope, it’s really not semantics. She didn’t say what you are claiming she did.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 22, 2019 11:38:41 GMT
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Post by casii on Jan 22, 2019 11:39:39 GMT
I've now seen video of some of the same young men verbally harassing women while at the march. It's all over Twitter. Behaving badly in multiple ways all on the same day.
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Post by tracyarts on Jan 22, 2019 12:53:08 GMT
I've now seen video of some of the same young men verbally harassing women while at the march. It's all over Twitter. Behaving badly in multiple ways all on the same day. Well, their school/church brought them to D.C. specifically to participate in a march demanding the limitation of women's rights. So, of course they felt entitled and emboldened to harass women. Women are just as "other" and less than as darker skinned people to them.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 22, 2019 13:09:05 GMT
I see the Covington "Crazies" (THEIR name) took down their compilation video that was linked upthread. I guess they're not so proud of the bullshit antics after all. They looked like a bunch of hopped up coke heads in a cult after drinking red bull and watching blood sport. ETA: Someone must have mirrored it. What is it about this video that they should be ashamed of? I don't see it, what am I missing? It does put their chanting on the controversial video into a much different perspective. After seeing this video I understand their chanting more. Their chanting when the Native American was drumming seems very in line with how they show their school spirit. After seeing their school spirit video, I no longer see their chanting as aggressive and menacing, but more as sharing the spirit of the drumming and chanting the Native American was doing. It's what they do at their sporting events and apparently other schools do it too. Baloney. They wouldn’t have been laughing at him and smirking at him if that was the case. Their actions and facial expressions completely go against this terrible excuse at defending and justifying their behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 13:14:59 GMT
What is it about this video that they should be ashamed of? I don't see it, what am I missing? It does put their chanting on the controversial video into a much different perspective. After seeing this video I understand their chanting more. Their chanting when the Native American was drumming seems very in line with how they show their school spirit. After seeing their school spirit video, I no longer see their chanting as aggressive and menacing, but more as sharing the spirit of the drumming and chanting the Native American was doing. It's what they do at their sporting events and apparently other schools do it too. Baloney. They wouldn’t have been laughing at him and smirking at him if that was the case. Their actions and facial expressions completely go against this terrible excuse at defending and justifying their behavior. I don't even bother responding to gaslighting, dewryce . I find it interesting that if there was nothing wrong w/their abhorrent behavior in this vid, why the school felt the need to delete it off their YT but not any others? ps here is what "sharing the spirit" looks like, I guess:
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 22, 2019 13:15:12 GMT
Let's start with the black face and white clown lips. You only have to go about 20 seconds in to see the video evidence of the photos that have been posted everywhere.
Here's another video of one of those kind, sympathetic, upstanding young men in DC yelling "it's not rape if you enjoy it."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 13:24:56 GMT
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Post by carly1030 on Jan 22, 2019 13:54:38 GMT
Keep reaching you are looking more desperate as the thread keeps going. Even CNN is backing down from the original story. Give it up and get a job, rich people owe you absolutely nothing.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 22, 2019 14:04:21 GMT
We’ll agree to disagree. I don’t think that expelling them will do much character building. I’d like them to experience firsthand how the other half lives.while I agree with the sentiment (bolded) and am undecided on expulsion, I don't think further enrollment in that school will benefit them in any way seeing "how the other half lives." maybe they should be enrolled in a more diverse school. That’s a good idea, but their parents are unlikely to favor it. If they are expelled from School A, it is probable that their parents will put them in School B, which will be as close to School A as possible. Just sayin’.
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Post by sunshine on Jan 22, 2019 14:45:24 GMT
This country has turned into a big tinderbox just waiting for a match.
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Post by peatlejuice on Jan 22, 2019 14:58:15 GMT
Keep reaching you are looking more desperate as the thread keeps going. Even CNN is backing down from the original story. Give it up and get a job, rich people owe you absolutely nothing. I don't need the media to make my own judgment about how these men behaved (I've not watched a news program in months). I'm perfectly capable of watching all of these videos and determining that they are horrible people full of white male supremacy. And for the record, my household income falls into the top 11% of all US households, so getting a job or "being rich" isn't a factor. And as someone you would probably consider rich, I disagree - even rich people owe the world to not be pigs. Money isn't a pass to avoid morality or accountability.
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Post by Merge on Jan 22, 2019 15:09:58 GMT
I think this is an accurate assessment:
As to the comment that the country is a "tinderbox," my take is this. Some folks want to behave however they like in public. They know from past experience that their privilege has protected them from censure when they mock minorities, demean women, and act like jerks. Then, when people call them out, they cry, "Oh, you're being a snowflake! Hysterical! Divisive!" rather than reflecting on their own behavior.
On the other side, idiots do thing like dox and send death threats. Stupid by any standard, particularly as it allows the offender to double down on their victim defense.
It would be nice if we could all get to a place where we reflect and gather information rather than immediately going to Defcon 1 on the attack OR the defensive. I include myself emphatically in that.
I will point out that while the news outlets who first broke the story have generally modified it as new information becomes available, we've heard nothing but the cry of victimization and "fake news" from the Covington families. Which makes me feel a bit that we've all been played. But hopefully I'll be proven wrong soon, and an apology from the Covington boys is forthcoming.
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Post by carly1030 on Jan 22, 2019 15:21:30 GMT
Keep reaching you are looking more desperate as the thread keeps going. Even CNN is backing down from the original story. Give it up and get a job, rich people owe you absolutely nothing. I don't need the media to make my own judgment about how these men behaved (I've not watched a news program in months). I'm perfectly capable of watching all of these videos and determining that they are horrible people full of white male supremacy. And for the record, my household income falls into the top 11% of all US households, so getting a job or "being rich" isn't a factor. And as someone you would probably consider rich, I disagree - even rich people owe the world to not be pigs. Money isn't a pass to avoid morality or accountability. Are you saying the only people in the video that is responsible for morality or accountability is the "white people"? How about the black people and the native American?
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Post by just PEAchy on Jan 22, 2019 15:44:33 GMT
I see the Covington "Crazies" (THEIR name) took down their compilation video that was linked upthread. I guess they're not so proud of the bullshit antics after all. They looked like a bunch of hopped up coke heads in a cult after drinking red bull and watching blood sport. ETA: Someone must have mirrored it. What is it about this video that they should be ashamed of? I don't see it, what am I missing? It does put their chanting on the controversial video into a much different perspective. After seeing this video I understand their chanting more. Their chanting when the Native American was drumming seems very in line with how they show their school spirit. After seeing their school spirit video, I no longer see their chanting as aggressive and menacing, but more as sharing the spirit of the drumming and chanting the Native American was doing. It's what they do at their sporting events and apparently other schools do it too. Except they weren’t at a sporting event. They should have known better, it appears they were chanting, yelling, etc in other incidents as well in DC-more videos have surfaced. My kids have gone on school sponsored DC trips. They are told beforehand they might encounter protestors, they are told in no uncertain terms that they are not to engage. They are told to act with decorum at all times. In the case of the first protestors that harassed the kids, our chaperones would have gotten our kids out of there immediately. Any kid who responded back would have been disciplined. I do think the chaperones of the Covington kids failed them, but like I said, they should have known better.
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Post by *leslie* on Jan 22, 2019 15:44:57 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 22, 2019 15:48:48 GMT
I've now seen video of some of the same young men verbally harassing women while at the march. It's all over Twitter. Behaving badly in multiple ways all on the same day. Here is that video Someone posted this twitter / video .. Very short hard to see but check it out. I can't find it here on the board, but here is the link:
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 22, 2019 15:54:12 GMT
Let's start with the black face and white clown lips. You only have to go about 20 seconds in to see the video evidence of the photos that have been posted everywhere. Here's another video of one of those kind, sympathetic, upstanding young men in DC yelling "it's not rape if you enjoy it." So much for nice boys. This is a generation that KNOWS there are cameras EVERYWHERE!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 16:25:29 GMT
What is it about this video that they should be ashamed of? I don't see it, what am I missing? It does put their chanting on the controversial video into a much different perspective. After seeing this video I understand their chanting more. Their chanting when the Native American was drumming seems very in line with how they show their school spirit. After seeing their school spirit video, I no longer see their chanting as aggressive and menacing, but more as sharing the spirit of the drumming and chanting the Native American was doing. It's what they do at their sporting events and apparently other schools do it too. Except they weren’t at a sporting event. They should have known better, it appears they were chanting, yelling, etc in other incidents as well in DC-more videos have surfaced. My kids have gone on school sponsored DC trips. They are told beforehand they might encounter protestors, they are told in no uncertain terms that they are not to engage. They are told to act with decorum at all times. In the case of the first protestors that harassed the kids, our chaperones would have gotten our kids out of there immediately. Any kid who responded back would have been disciplined. I do think the chaperones of the Covington kids failed them, but like I said, they should have known better. I can agree that it wasn't the same as a school sporting event, but they seem to have taken the same enthusiasm along with them and acted in a way they are used to when showing support and spirit. IF that's the case, that's far different than "terrorizing" a Native American.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 16:26:57 GMT
I've now seen video of some of the same young men verbally harassing women while at the march. It's all over Twitter. Behaving badly in multiple ways all on the same day. Here is that video Someone posted this twitter / video .. Very short hard to see but check it out. I can't find it here on the board, but here is the link: That video shows nothing, We don't know what they're saying, we don't know what she and her friends said before they started recording. No matter what someone claims happened, an 8 second video with no context does not prove anything one way or the other.
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Post by peatlejuice on Jan 22, 2019 16:33:57 GMT
I don't need the media to make my own judgment about how these men behaved (I've not watched a news program in months). I'm perfectly capable of watching all of these videos and determining that they are horrible people full of white male supremacy. And for the record, my household income falls into the top 11% of all US households, so getting a job or "being rich" isn't a factor. And as someone you would probably consider rich, I disagree - even rich people owe the world to not be pigs. Money isn't a pass to avoid morality or accountability. Are you saying the only people in the video that is responsible for morality or accountability is the "white people"? How about the black people and the native American? I've already said in this thread that the Black Hebrew group was inappropriate. I absolutely hold them accountable for their part in stirring up these brats. As for the Native American, I believe he was trying to de-escalate the situation and ended up making it worse. He's accountable for his actions, as we all are, but I won't denounce his actions as I do the Covington men and the Black Hebrew's actions. Making a bad decision to try to get between two wildly supremacist hate groups is far less a sin than belonging to (or defending) either of those hate groups.
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