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Post by oliquig on Mar 8, 2019 17:33:09 GMT
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Post by Dalai Mama on Mar 8, 2019 17:50:36 GMT
So $811K for his treatment covered by whom? I would be surprised that insurance companies would cover the treatment for vaccine-preventable diseases when families decide not to vaccinate.
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Post by kernriver on Mar 8, 2019 18:08:13 GMT
Unfortunately, there is no vaccine for stupid.
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Post by busy on Mar 8, 2019 18:15:12 GMT
Unfortunately, there is no vaccine for stupid. The people who need it wouldn’t get it anyway :/ |
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Post by flanz on Mar 8, 2019 18:34:23 GMT
quiltz - thanks so much for sharing that story from Brantford. (I grew up not far from there, then lived in Hamilton for a few years before emigrating to the US.) I'm sorry the anti-vaxers have seemingly made such inroads in Canada too. My then 7 yo daughter and I contracted pertussis at the same time, caught it from my sister in law, 20 years ago. It was terrifying to witness in my child and it was horrible to experience as a full grown adult. I pulled pretty much every muscle in my torso from coughing and cracked a rib doing the same. DD and I were on steroidal and rescue inhalers for a couple of years, never having had asthma before. Many years later we stopped needing to have rescue inhalers on hand. I can only imagine how devastating pertussis is for wee ones! I'm going to share the story widely in the hopes of changing at least some minds. Do you have a link to the article you copied? Thanks!
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Post by LeaP on Mar 8, 2019 18:47:14 GMT
Just to reiterate: herd immunity is needed because not all vaccines take. In middle school a vaccinated boy got pertussis. He was out for three weeks. My girls were exposed to him but I assume their vaccines kept them healthy. They have also been exposed to varicella and hep-A. Anecdotal evidence, I know, but people really should vaccinate.
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Post by melissa on Mar 8, 2019 18:58:53 GMT
Stonham wishes she'd got a booster shot in her third trimester of pregnancy. It might have protected Scarlett until she was old enough to get vaccinated. "I was not offered this," she said. "I didn't know anything about it." At least where I work (in the US), this is the standard of care and has been for several years at a bare minimum. If a woman declines it during the pregnancy, it is offered at the hospital. It's part of our admission check lists and our discharge checklists. |
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Post by oliquig on Mar 8, 2019 19:22:37 GMT
Stonham wishes she'd got a booster shot in her third trimester of pregnancy. It might have protected Scarlett until she was old enough to get vaccinated. "I was not offered this," she said. "I didn't know anything about it." At least where I work (in the US), this is the standard of care and has been for several years at a bare minimum. If a woman declines it during the pregnancy, it is offered at the hospital. It's part of our admission check lists and our discharge checklists. I did wonder at that statement as cocooning TDaP and Flu is hyped here. |
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Post by flanz on Mar 8, 2019 20:18:19 GMT
quiltz - thanks so much for sharing that story from Brantford. (I grew up not far from there, then lived in Hamilton for a few years before emigrating to the US.) I'm sorry the anti-vaxers have seemingly made such inroads in Canada too. My then 7 yo daughter and I contracted pertussis at the same time, caught it from my sister in law, 20 years ago. It was terrifying to witness in my child and it was horrible to experience as a full grown adult. I pulled pretty much every muscle in my torso from coughing and cracked a rib doing the same. DD and I were on steroidal and rescue inhalers for a couple of years, never having had asthma before. Many years later we stopped needing to have rescue inhalers on hand. I can only imagine how devastating pertussis is for wee ones! I'm going to share the story widely in the hopes of changing at least some minds. Do you have a link to the article you copied? Thanks! This story came from the Hamilton Spectator and there is a video on the CTV.ca Toronto web-site. This just happened recently. www.thespec.com/.../9209768-brantford-baby-nearly-dies-of-whooping-cough. Anti-vacers are in Canada. There is a large out-break of measles right now in the Vancouver area and also in Alberta. There really isn't any excuse in not getting vaccines, at least in Ontario, as they are free of charge. If you need other more 'exotic' vaccines, they are readily available at health clinics, for a cost. Thanks so much, but the link doesn't work. I'll try Googling. |
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Post by peaname on Mar 8, 2019 21:08:17 GMT
That poor boy. I could never forgive myself for causing that much pain to my child.
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Post by milocat on Mar 8, 2019 21:36:14 GMT
quiltz - thanks so much for sharing that story from Brantford. (I grew up not far from there, then lived in Hamilton for a few years before emigrating to the US.) I'm sorry the anti-vaxers have seemingly made such inroads in Canada too. My then 7 yo daughter and I contracted pertussis at the same time, caught it from my sister in law, 20 years ago. It was terrifying to witness in my child and it was horrible to experience as a full grown adult. I pulled pretty much every muscle in my torso from coughing and cracked a rib doing the same. DD and I were on steroidal and rescue inhalers for a couple of years, never having had asthma before. Many years later we stopped needing to have rescue inhalers on hand. I can only imagine how devastating pertussis is for wee ones! I'm going to share the story widely in the hopes of changing at least some minds. Do you have a link to the article you copied? Thanks! This story came from the Hamilton Spectator and there is a video on the CTV.ca Toronto web-site. This just happened recently. www.thespec.com/.../9209768-brantford-baby-nearly-dies-of-whooping-cough. Anti-vacers are in Canada. There is a large out-break of measles right now in the Vancouver area and also in Alberta. There really isn't any excuse in not getting vaccines, at least in Ontario, as they are free of charge. If you need other more 'exotic' vaccines, they are reaadily available at health clinics, for a cost.They are free in Alberta also. Our whole family got Twinrix, hep A & B because we travel vs just the Hep B. We had to pay for Twinrix, Hep B would have been free. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 21:39:42 GMT
Just to reiterate: herd immunity is needed because not all vaccines take. In middle school a vaccinated boy got pertussis. He was out for three weeks. My girls were exposed to him but I assume their vaccines kept them healthy. They have also been exposed to varicella and hep-A. Anecdotal evidence, I know, but people really should vaccinate. Yes. I have zero thither to MMR. Found out when I was pregnant. Have now had 4 boosters and none took. I am also low on another and remained low after a booster. Plus there are kids like my son who can't for true medical reasons. He depends on herd immunity. |
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Post by auntkelly on Mar 8, 2019 21:45:11 GMT
All my friends who are becoming grandparents are getting the whooping cough booster. I think I'll ask my doctor about it at my annual check up next week. I'd hate to think I'd be responsible for a baby coming down with whooping cough.
I remember my grandmother telling me about my mother having whooping cough as a baby (there wasn't a vaccine then).
They put a big sign on the front door that said "quarantined" and no one but the doctor was allowed to come in the house for several days. My grandfather even had to stay elsewhere. My grandmother said she hardly slept at all, because she had to hold my mother on her shoulder 24/7. If she laid her down, my mother would start choking on her mucous. I can't imagine how scared and lonely my poor grandmother must have felt.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 8, 2019 22:24:15 GMT
So $811K for his treatment covered by whom? I would be surprised that insurance companies would cover the treatment for vaccine-preventable diseases when families decide not to vaccinate. That cost does not cover the air transport or PT and a few other things. I read another article earlier today. I had measles as an adult, no vaccines at that time. My DS was only 6 months, there was concern, at the time, but the vaccines were not available until he was older. |
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Post by MaryMary on Mar 8, 2019 22:25:11 GMT
Tetanus is no freakin’ joke. My microbiology professor in college described what it’s like to die from tetanus and I have never forgotten that mental image. Horrifying. I can’t imagine watching my child suffer through something like that when I could have prevented it.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 8, 2019 22:33:19 GMT
I took 2 of my kids to the pediatrician today to get some shots. 10 minutes of crying totally worth the peace of mind knowing that my kids are unlikely to get those diseases in the future.
And also now neither of them can sue me or drag my ass in front of congress to tell the world that I was wrong.
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Post by sueg on Mar 8, 2019 23:21:30 GMT
All my friends who are becoming grandparents are getting the whooping cough booster. I think I'll ask my doctor about it at my annual check up next week. I'd hate to think I'd be responsible for a baby coming down with whooping cough. Yep- We are going to be grandparents in the next couple of weeks, and when our DiL asked us to make sure our whooping cough vaccine was up to date, we gladly went in and got boosters. Even my DH, who hates anything to do with doctors or needles! The medical assistant who gave me my shot did point out that I should be having this every 10 years anyway, regardless of grandbabies - it was just that that gave us the push to get them done. |
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Post by scrapngranny on Mar 9, 2019 0:06:42 GMT
The problem, is you will NEVER convince anti-vaccer that the good totally out weighs any possible negatives. They are so sure they are 100% right they won’t even consider any studies that prove them wrong.
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Post by LeaP on Mar 9, 2019 0:28:10 GMT
The problem, is you will NEVER convince anti-vaccer that the good totally out weighs any possible negatives. They are so sure they are 100% right they won’t even consider any studies that prove them wrong.  I believe that it will take a huge epidemic to convince people or a few cases of polio. |
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Post by paperaddict on Mar 9, 2019 0:32:08 GMT
Thank-you to OP for bringing this up because I am pregnant right now. I was concerned about being updated with my vaccinations, but after reading this thread, will ask soon to be grandparents and spouse to check on their vaccination records. I didn't even think about family members until this thread. Thanks again!
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Post by kernriver on Mar 9, 2019 2:50:51 GMT
I vaguely remember when my first son was born, a nurse came in and gave me a shot. I was barely able to ask what it was before she shot me up. She said ‘you were never vaccinated against German measles’. I felt really grateful nothing went wrong during my pregnancy. And I often wonder how I missed that shot as a kid. But in thinking about it now, they didn’t ask me if I wanted it. They just gave it to me. It’s too bad they can’t do that now.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 9, 2019 7:34:20 GMT
I vaguely remember when my first son was born, a nurse came in and gave me a shot. I was barely able to ask what it was before she shot me up. She said ‘you were never vaccinated against German measles’. I felt really grateful nothing went wrong during my pregnancy. And I often wonder how I missed that shot as a kid. But in thinking about it now, they didn’t ask me if I wanted it. They just gave it to me. It’s too bad they can’t do that now. How old are you? There was no vaccination for German measles when I was a kid (‘50s-‘60s) but when I got married in 1979 the state of California required me to get it before they’d issue the marriage license. That seems so quaint now. |
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Post by MsKnit on Mar 9, 2019 9:13:15 GMT
The Boy with the $800K in medical bills...isn’t there a cap on what insurance will pay out? Can you image having a huge portion of you insurance benefits used on one case that could have been covered by a low cost vaccine?
It’s one thing if the kid was sick most of their life and had to have a transplant. But, tetanus?
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Post by candygurl on Mar 9, 2019 14:10:43 GMT
Good to know! My sister is due to have a baby soon and asked her immediate family to get their dtap shots and she and husband got them too. Better to be safe than sorry. Also good because I hadn’t had a tetanus shot in years, so I was overdue for that. .
Oh and at Costco they are $48 w/o insurance.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 9, 2019 15:03:01 GMT
I have a friend who had preemie twins. She wanted to get some newborn photos taken by a professional. When she asked the person she was considering hiring to make sure they'd had a Tdap and flu shot, the photographer didn't want to. This is a photographer who consistently photographs newborns. It's her specialty. And she refuses to be vaccinated.
My friend declined hiring this person.
So, if you are someone who hires people to work with your children in a capacity like this, it's worth making sure they've been vaccinated, too.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 9, 2019 15:39:30 GMT
The problem, is you will NEVER convince anti-vaccer that the good totally out weighs any possible negatives. They are so sure they are 100% right they won’t even consider any studies that prove them wrong. I believe that it will take a huge epidemic to convince people or a few cases of polio. I think this is as well. They want the vaccine to be 100% safe. Since we have not lived through a time where those diseases were a huge problem, it is easier to focus on the possible negative consequences of the vaccine as opposed to what they prevent. They are seen as a shot that can cause these consequences, not a shot that prevents a specific disease. I heard a doctor say on TV the other day that measles kills 1 in 500 people who have it. While the vaccine causes a reaction in 1 in a million. |
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Post by MsKnit on Mar 9, 2019 20:08:19 GMT
How is this not medical neglect?
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Post by pridemom on Mar 9, 2019 20:25:48 GMT
Stonham wishes she'd got a booster shot in her third trimester of pregnancy. It might have protected Scarlett until she was old enough to get vaccinated. "I was not offered this," she said. "I didn't know anything about it." At least where I work (in the US), this is the standard of care and has been for several years at a bare minimum. If a woman declines it during the pregnancy, it is offered at the hospital. It's part of our admission check lists and our discharge checklists. That’s good to know. I stepped on a rusty nail when pregnant with my second child, 22 years ago. My family doctor consulted with the OB just to be safe before giving me DTaP since it had been over ten years for me. |
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Post by busy on Mar 9, 2019 22:04:24 GMT
The Boy with the $800K in medical bills...isn’t there a cap on what insurance will pay out? Can you image having a huge portion of you insurance benefits used on one case that could have been covered by a low cost vaccine? It’s one thing if the kid was sick most of their life and had to have a transplant. But, tetanus? ACA got rid of lifetime limitations - thanks, Obama! Of course, the Rs really really want to bring them back. |
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Post by nlwilkins on Mar 10, 2019 2:30:34 GMT
I can remember when we did not have the vaccines and everybody got the measles, mumps, german measles, chicken pox and so on. But we did get smallpox vaccines (have the scar to prove it) and in my teens the polio shots came out. We got them at church in fact, every Sunday for three or four weeks.
Anyway, parents would purposely expose their children to some of the childhood diseases in order for the kids to get them over with - what a phrase, get them over with. But, there was no protection so sooner or later you would get them. Getting some of these diseaes as adults are much harder on a person than having them as children. Adult men with mumps risk bein sterilized for example. There are also major risks getting them as children too. A friend in college had a son who lost his hearing due to measles.
Having these vaccines now is such a blessing and I cannot understand parents who refuse them. OR staates who are considereing making it easier to not get children vacccinated. I remember when my daughters got chicken pox it was not fun and you worried so much about complications. Children do not understand about not scractching and are so miserable even with mild cases. Then because they had chickenpox, now they can get shingles. Thankfully, we were able to get the other vaccines, MMR series and the polio shots and all.
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I believe that it will take a huge epidemic to convince people or a few cases of polio. 
