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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 17:46:05 GMT
I think the family, and everyone really, needs to remember that if even if he had received the same treatment the others received, there's no guarantee it would have worked. There's no guarantee that any treatment would work. Sometimes everything that can be done is done and patients still don't make it.
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Post by azredhead on Oct 9, 2014 17:47:03 GMT
I wondered if they would have to pay them for the medical treatment, couldn't the hospital countersue them for the expense? Was he the one that didn't go to the ER? That could be why -that he didn't have medical insurance? The police officer was the one that went to the NextCare place which is crazy, I just wanted to make sure I had the two stories straight.It's all getting very confusing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 17:54:46 GMT
I wondered if they would have to pay them for the medical treatment, couldn't the hospital countersue them for the expense? Was he the one that didn't go to the ER? That could be why -that he didn't have medical insurance? The police officer was the one that went to the NextCare place which is crazy, I just wanted to make sure I had the two stories straight.It's all getting very confusing. No we are talking about the patient from Africa. He went to the ER twice. No one else has been confirmed to have ebola yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 17:59:31 GMT
Jesse Jackson is an embarrassment to Americans. Of course he's going to scream discrimination and mistreatment. That's all he does.
Mr. Duncan exposed a nation to a deadly disease. His family should be grateful for the days he lived and the care he received.
I thought I read that his own country was considering proffering charges against him if he lived and returned.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Oct 9, 2014 18:45:52 GMT
I'm an American and really do not understand the whole civil liberties rush that Jackson and several others pursue in any other way than personal glorification. Media whores. Self-agrandizers. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my reaction every single time they rush in to be the first on the air to proclaim racism. It's always a race to see if Jackson or Sharpton gets there first. My feelings too
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 9, 2014 19:26:38 GMT
I love how a lot of white people are all up in this thread talking about how two black men who have dedicated their lives to civil rights are a disgrace to Americans and 'no Martin Luther King jr.' Etc. Thanks white people, for letting us all know who the acceptable black representatives are...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 20:48:00 GMT
I love how a lot of white people are all up in this thread talking about how two black men who have dedicated their lives to civil rights are a disgrace to Americans and 'no Martin Luther King jr.' Etc. Thanks white people, for letting us all know who the acceptable black representatives are... I didn't realize that Martin Luther King Jr. and the Civil Rights Act belonged only to black people. But if you want Jesse Jackson, have at it. As a matter of fact, you can have his jailbird son and daughter in law too (who by the way was MY representative when I lived in Illinois)
Jesse Jackson keeps himself relevant by one thing and one thing only - promoting racism. Without that, he's just another fake reverend baby daddy who fails to walk their own talk.
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Post by redayh on Oct 9, 2014 21:07:08 GMT
I love how a lot of white people are all up in this thread talking about how two black men who have dedicated their lives to civil rights are a disgrace to Americans and 'no Martin Luther King jr.' Etc. Thanks white people, for letting us all know who the acceptable black representatives are... I didn't realize that Martin Luther King Jr. and the Civil Rights Act belonged only to black people. But if you want Jesse Jackson, have at it. As a matter of fact, you can have his jailbird son and daughter in law too (who by the way was MY representative when I lived in Illinois)
Jesse Jackson keeps himself relevant by one thing and one thing only - promoting racism. Without that, he's just another fake reverend baby daddy who fails to walk their own talk.
Interesting historical note: These were the same sentiments that were expressed about Dr. King in his time (not the baby daddy, bit, but the rest--promoting unrest and racial divisiveness) I don't care either way about Jesse Jackson....I just think it's all very interesting from a historical, and sociological perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 21:14:18 GMT
I didn't realize that Martin Luther King Jr. and the Civil Rights Act belonged only to black people. But if you want Jesse Jackson, have at it. As a matter of fact, you can have his jailbird son and daughter in law too (who by the way was MY representative when I lived in Illinois)
Jesse Jackson keeps himself relevant by one thing and one thing only - promoting racism. Without that, he's just another fake reverend baby daddy who fails to walk their own talk.
Interesting historical note: These were the same sentiments that were expressed about Dr. King in his time (not the baby daddy, bit, but the rest--promoting unrest and racial divisiveness) I don't care either way about Jesse Jackson....I just think it's all very interesting from a historical, and sociological perspective. I'll give you that although it most certainly was a time of change in this country and we are not talking about the same people now as were actively speaking out then. I think that history has proved differently.
However, can you REALLY say that you think that Jesse Jackson Jr. is any sort of positive representative for CIVIL rights for anyone?
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Post by redayh on Oct 9, 2014 21:20:41 GMT
Yeah, I think JJ is totally bogus these days (I don't think he alwasy was, but I think that's what he has become).
I just wonder how history will paint it all, kwim?
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Post by fkawitchypea on Oct 9, 2014 21:29:56 GMT
Many people tried to help this man, exposing themselves to a deadly disease. The fact that an American doctor working abroad trying to help treat this disease got the drug and this man didn't doesn't keep me up at night.
I don't care why he came, he never should have been let into this country. In fact, I don't think that anyone from countries where ebola is running rampant should be allowed in this country at all unless they are quarantined for a sufficient amount of time to determine whether they have been exposed or not. At their own expense.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 9, 2014 23:32:42 GMT
Well, the other people who received treatment in the US were expected at the hospital they were treated in before they got there. The hospitals expecting them knew they were dealing with Ebola before the patients ever arrived. The facilities had time to prepare. Medications, supplies, equipment, staff, and knowledge could be gathered ahead and made ready.
Mr Duncan was not expected. He showed up to the hospital and was not entirely honest, I mean he might have told one person where he had traveled from but he knew more than he revealed about his own health. He did not advocate for his own health care with all of the information he had at his disposal, making healthcare professionals from emt's to nurses to doctors guess. I see this as his fault entirely.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 9, 2014 23:36:20 GMT
It's always a race to see if Jackson or Sharpton gets there first. My feelings too me three
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Post by scrappyesq on Oct 9, 2014 23:55:13 GMT
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. Isn't he the same person who lied about coming into contact with Ebola, both coming in to the country and again when he entered the hospital the first time? Jesse Jackson needs to have a seat.
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Post by scrapsotime on Oct 10, 2014 0:08:38 GMT
The priest that died in Spain received the same experimental medicine that Dr Brantly did. There's no guarantee that any of them will work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 0:17:00 GMT
Let's be real. Anyone who lives in Liberia in an area that is affected by the Ebola outbreak should consider themselves exposed. And especially someone who was involved in close contact with a woman who died. There's no way that the thought wouldn't cross someone's mind "I wonder if . . . . " when an otherwise healthy woman dies from "pregnancy complications." Seriously - pregnancy complications and end stage ebola symptoms aren't even remotely the same, but giving him the benefit of the doubt, it should have at least crossed his mind.
And let's just say that he was in denial and wanted badly to come to the US because he had been waiting for so long and therefore just didn't declare that he had been exposed even if the thought crossed his mind. . . at the VERY least, the first time he presented to the hospital, he should have done more than say he had been in Liberia. He should have shouted from the rooftops that he lived in an area where ebola was rampant and that he had been in contact with someone who had died even if he didn't know the cause. If for nothing else than his OWN healthcare needs.
I'm not excusing the hospital but this is the first US case and we always learn lessons from what goes wrong the first time around with something. It's not like a hospital in Dallas was on high alert for ebola. But a patient from Liberia should have been on high alert for himself.
There's definitely some mishandling on the part of the hospital but there's a whole lot of personal responsibility involved here too.
Sadly, whether or not his immediate contacts develop symptoms, it won't be the last time that the US healthcare system deals with this.
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Post by Skypea on Oct 10, 2014 1:05:10 GMT
that's what they are and what they do. they're disgusting.
the guy with ebola lied to get into our country. He knew he'd been in contact with someone who died from ebola while in Africa. he willingly put many people at risk - including those he was staying with in TX.
I think the blood type would have something to do with sharing blood... also the person donating it had a say in it. He volunteered it - his option to do or not do.
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Post by cindosha on Oct 10, 2014 1:20:13 GMT
there isn't a bigger shit stirrer than jesse jackson....well, maybe al sharpton. both of these men have done more to poison race relations than to promote it. both are toxic and i can't stand either one of them...
I love how a lot of white people are all up in this thread talking about how two black men who have dedicated their lives to civil rights are a disgrace to Americans and 'no Martin Luther King jr.' Etc. Thanks white people, for letting us all know who the acceptable black representatives are...
hahaha!!! that is exactly what i mean about shit stirring!!!! that's funny!!
cindy
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Post by Really Red on Oct 10, 2014 2:10:11 GMT
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are people who can do a lot of good. Sometimes it doesn't work out, but I appreciate that they make attempts.
In this case, I am frustrated that this person lied to get into the US. He knew what was going on and likely he knew dang well what was going on when he went to the hospital. And still he kept quiet. I don't know that there wasn't prejudice, but I truly believe that he put people in danger and I don't appreciate that. The potential lawsuit makes me very, very angry.
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Post by psoccer on Oct 10, 2014 2:38:20 GMT
I don't understand why he suddenly left his job and came to America, and didn't say anything to his boss. Since he got his VISA, he obviously had been planning to come to the US, but when was his original plan to leave? I read in an article in the New York Times that the neighbor that he helped was was turned away from a hospital for lack of space in its Ebola ward. She was returned home and passed away later that early morning. www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-victim-texas-thomas-eric-duncan.html?_r=0 I feel that the hospital was not prepared for an Ebola patient, but that they did nothing deliberate to cause his demise. Possibly if he had been a bit more forthright, they could have helped him sooner. Like Burning Feather stated, I would be telling the nurses and doctors all about Ebola since it was more common from where he was from. If there are more cases of Ebola in the United States, there is no guarantee that everyone is going to survive. It seems that there are still so many unanswered questions regarding the disease.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 10, 2014 2:48:18 GMT
The hospital and CDC knew the others were coming and had time to prepare. This guy just showed up. It isn't like the medicine, equipment, background information and everything else is in every hospital in the country.
When the Americans came they knew they were coming, knew the date ofbsymptoms, knew blood types, medical background, allergies...
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 10, 2014 2:52:53 GMT
Psoccer,
I believe he was coming for his sons graduation. He may not have told anybody because he may have been planning to stay or did not want anything I his way.
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Post by psoccer on Oct 10, 2014 3:13:58 GMT
Freecharlie, I did read that he was coming for his son's graduation, but that did not make sense to me. I had read that his son is 19, and a student at Angelo State.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 10, 2014 3:15:13 GMT
Freecharlie, I did read that he was coming for his son's graduation, but that did not make sense to me. I had read that his son is 19, and a student at Angelo State. I think he tried to come but his visa was delayed and he came when it cleared...I think I read that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 3:29:28 GMT
I don't understand why he suddenly left his job and came to America, and didn't say anything to his boss. Since he got his VISA, he obviously had been planning to come to the US, but when was his original plan to leave? I read in an article in the New York Times that the neighbor that he helped was was turned away from a hospital for lack of space in its Ebola ward. She was returned home and passed away later that early morning. www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-victim-texas-thomas-eric-duncan.html?_r=0 I feel that the hospital was not prepared for an Ebola patient, but that they did nothing deliberate to cause his demise. Possibly if he had been a bit more forthright, they could have helped him sooner. Like Burning Feather stated, I would be telling the nurses and doctors all about Ebola since it was more common from where he was from. If there are more cases of Ebola in the United States, there is no guarantee that everyone is going to survive. It seems that there are still so many unanswered questions regarding the disease. According to an interview with a family member, he was not going to leave even though he only had a vistor's visa. I have a problem with someone coming on a short term visa with no intention of leaving, but that is a different topic for discussion. It may, however, play into how forthcoming he was with information that might prevent him from coming or would send him back.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 10, 2014 5:12:55 GMT
And once again, we are talking about a guy who's dead and can't defend himself, from a remote village in a third-world country, and we're expecting him to think and act like an educated, middle-class American soccer mom? and attributing unknowable intentions to him, to boot. All righty then.
Carry on with the self-righteous judgmentalism, everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 5:26:49 GMT
And once again, we are talking about a guy who's dead and can't defend himself, from a remote village in a third-world country, and we're expecting him to think and act like an educated, middle-class American soccer mom? and attributing unknowable intentions to him, to boot. All righty then. Carry on with the self-righteous judgmentalism, everyone. If you are referring to the fact that I said he had no intention to leave, that was a direct quote from his brother (I think - it was the family member he was staying with). It's not speculation - it was his plan according to his closest American family member.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 10, 2014 5:33:30 GMT
And once again, we are talking about a guy who's dead and can't defend himself, from a remote village in a third-world country, and we're expecting him to think and act like an educated, middle-class American soccer mom? and attributing unknowable intentions to him, to boot. All righty then. Carry on with the self-righteous judgmentalism, everyone. If you are referring to the fact that I said he had no intention to leave, that was a direct quote from his brother (I think - it was the family member he was staying with). It's not speculation - it was his plan according to his closest American family member. It wasn't you in particular. It was the whole feeling of the thread. I think I've been hyper-sensitive lately. Anyway, I think a lot of people have said a lot of things and it's hard to know what's true and what isn't. Most of our opinions are still based mostly on speculation. I just don't like dumping so much blame on Duncan when he can't defend himself anymore.
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 10, 2014 15:05:23 GMT
there isn't a bigger shit stirrer than jesse jackson....well, maybe al sharpton. both of these men have done more to poison race relations than to promote it. both are toxic and i can't stand either one of them... I love how a lot of white people are all up in this thread talking about how two black men who have dedicated their lives to civil rights are a disgrace to Americans and 'no Martin Luther King jr.' Etc. Thanks white people, for letting us all know who the acceptable black representatives are... hahaha!!! that is exactly what i mean about shit stirring!!!! that's funny!! cindy Wooosh...
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Post by pyccku on Oct 10, 2014 16:22:06 GMT
It likely doesn't matter what race the guy was - the reality is that the Zmapp drug is really time-consuming to make and there isn't any left. It takes MONTHS to make a batch of the stuff, and if it's used up, it's used up. you could be the whitest, richest guy on the planet - but if there is no drug, there's no drug.
Have you seen the process required to make the drug? It's amazing to me that anyone thought of this, there are so many steps.
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