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Post by freecharlie on Jul 25, 2019 3:02:20 GMT
Just kind of want to see where teachers land. If you don't mind answering the poll and then if you are willing to say why you are or are not a member (no judgement from me)
Edited so it wasn't just for teachers (sorry about that)
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Post by Sorrel on Jul 25, 2019 3:08:50 GMT
I’m actually a school speech therapist, but I’m on teacher pay scale, and yes, I am in the union. We went on strike this spring, and the union fought to get pay increases.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 25, 2019 3:13:06 GMT
I’m actually a school speech therapist, but I’m on teacher pay scale, and yes, I am in the union. We went on strike this spring, and the union fought to get pay increases. sorry about leaving you out. I changed the title.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Jul 25, 2019 3:30:06 GMT
I am very involved. It's important to have a voice.
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Post by Merge on Jul 25, 2019 3:43:17 GMT
When I was in public school I was a union member. It’s not necessarily very helpful here in Texas, but I felt it was important.
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Post by Jili on Jul 25, 2019 3:46:12 GMT
I’m actually a school speech therapist, but I’m on teacher pay scale, and yes, I am in the union. We went on strike this spring, and the union fought to get pay increases. Also a school-based SLP, and a union member. I used to be a member of the executive board.
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Post by snowdie on Jul 25, 2019 3:47:20 GMT
I'm a teacher and have been in the union since I started 34 years ago. The union is very helpful in lots of matters, not just salary issues.
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Post by psoccer on Jul 25, 2019 3:54:32 GMT
Our school was not in a union, and the teachers fought for it. My pay went up 13K in one year, and we are protected. We get a set raise every year, before that there was no pay scale. Prior to that, we were at will employees and could be let go regardless how many years we had worked, or regardless what type of review we had. It was so arbitrary. It is much more structured now.
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Post by ~KellyAnn~ on Jul 25, 2019 4:07:45 GMT
I've worked for two different school districts over 20 years. In my first position, I was in a union, and in my current position I am not.
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Post by seaexplore on Jul 25, 2019 4:40:55 GMT
21 years of teaching and i’ve Been a union member all of them. For the last 7 years, I have been our site rep.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 25, 2019 11:14:27 GMT
I was the union president for 10 years.
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Jul 25, 2019 11:22:35 GMT
I am a teacher: this will be year 26 teaching and I've always been a union member.
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Post by Princess Amy on Jul 25, 2019 12:39:54 GMT
I’ve been teaching for 35 years and I’ve always been a member.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 25, 2019 12:42:38 GMT
Hi!
Yes, I am an instructional coach and I am a union member and also sit on our district's union exec board. I believe in the power of a union to protect not only the rights of our teachers, but what's best for our students. Our union has a generally positive relationship with our district administration and our school board.
ETA: Folks think all teachers' unions do is bargain contracts, but that's not all we are there for! We provide professional development (usually free), support & assist teachers with questions about their working conditions and finances, work politically to ensure high quality public schools, have collective purchasing/discount power, and more!
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Post by librarylady on Jul 25, 2019 13:18:50 GMT
When I was in public school I was a union member. It’s not necessarily very helpful here in Texas, but I felt it was important. Since unions for public schools are illegal in Texas, that would explain ineffectiveness.
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Post by Merge on Jul 25, 2019 13:19:47 GMT
When I was in public school I was a union member. It’s not necessarily very helpful here in Texas, but I felt it was important. Since unions for public schools are illegal in Texas, that would explain ineffectiveness. No, they’re not illegal. They’re just non-bargaining. I belonged to HFT, which is a chapter of the nationwide AFT union. The primary purpose of the union in Texas is to make sure the protections for teachers that are put into state law are followed - for example, by law, public school teachers must have a 45 minute planning and 30 minute duty free lunch every day. Some admin will try to get around that and fill up teachers’ planning and lunch time with meetings. The union steps in and makes sure the law is followed. The union also advocates for teachers with the school board when compensation and benefits are discussed. They have no bargaining power, but they do make our voice heard. And of course they also lobby at the state level for increased funding for schools, more effective testing practices, and protection of the teacher retirement system, which is what we get instead of social security.
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Post by coaliesquirrel on Jul 25, 2019 13:26:59 GMT
Not an educator (I didn't get the patience gene from my generations-of-teachers parents), but I worked in our state NEA office's legal services group my last year in law school and first year after graduation, and I saw so much of the good that they can do, from legislation to negotiations to helping individual teachers.
Many years after I went to a different job, a friend's husband who's a teacher in the same state had what I believe boiled down to a personality conflict with his administration (I don't recall details, but I know it wasn't a "bad touches" thing), was suspended, and the school board wanted to fire him. When I found out, I reassured her she didn't need to worry, the office handles this sort of thing all the time and will help him. But, she said he wasn't a member of the union because "he thinks students' interests should come before teachers'," implying that the only reason to join the union is if you want more money (which he no doubt accepted as a result of the contract the union negotiated on everyone's behalf). Well, all righty, then. He did retain his job, but it cost them a LOT of money, and I believe took much longer than it would have if they'd had the experienced (all the same people I'd worked with 15+ years prior) folks I knew advocating for him. And you just never know when you might need someone to stand up for you. No matter how squeaky clean you are, it can and does happen.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 25, 2019 13:28:03 GMT
I put my vote in as I worked at a school, but not a teacher, but I voted for our teachers.. lol.. no union at our school.
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Post by purplebee on Jul 25, 2019 13:39:10 GMT
Starting my 20th year as Lunch Lady. My district (small, rural) in NW Arkansas is not unionized, but not sure about bigger districts in he state, such as Hot Springs or Little Rock.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jul 25, 2019 13:40:26 GMT
I'm only a PT preschool teacher so I don't think it's an option to join the union (I didn't vote in this poll either) but here the teachers have the choice whether to join the union or not, but even if they choose not to the union still represents them. Is that how it is everywhere? Why would someone pay union dues then if they're covered regardless?
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 25, 2019 14:16:27 GMT
I'm only a PT preschool teacher so I don't think it's an option to join the union (I didn't vote in this poll either) but here the teachers have the choice whether to join the union or not, but even if they choose not to the union still represents them. Is that how it is everywhere? Why would someone pay union dues then if they're covered regardless? Hi! You're doing amazing work, so you're not "only" a PT preschool teacher. You are necessary! You raise a good question. The Janus v. AFSCME case out of Illinois made it all the way to the Supreme Court, and the result of that decision was that public union members cannot be made to pay what is called "fair share," which means that they do not have to pay dues to the collective bargaining agent, but are still covered under the contract. (No one was ever required to officially join.) This means that a union is required to represent all parties covered under the bargaining agreement in order to protect the agreement. However, non-union members have NO VOICE in the contract issues. If a teacher decides not to join the union, we cannot protect that individual teacher with our legal resources should a non-contract issue arise. For example, we carry up to 1 million dollars in liability insurance through the IEA. Also, any EEOC complaints are not contractual (age, sex discrimination, for example) and thus we would not be able to provide legal assistance to non-members. In my state, that also means they wouldn't have access to free professional development, discounts, loan programs and more. While there is financial obligation (and that's usually more challenging for our education support personnel because they're still generally wildly underpaid), we hope people understand that we're stronger as a collective organization.
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Jul 25, 2019 14:33:20 GMT
I'm only a PT preschool teacher so I don't think it's an option to join the union (I didn't vote in this poll either) but here the teachers have the choice whether to join the union or not, but even if they choose not to the union still represents them. Is that how it is everywhere? Why would someone pay union dues then if they're covered regardless? Hi! You're doing amazing work, so you're not "only" a PT preschool teacher. You are necessary! You raise a good question. The Janus v. AFSCME case out of Illinois made it all the way to the Supreme Court, and the result of that decision was that public union members cannot be made to pay what is called "fair share," which means that they do not have to pay dues to the collective bargaining agent, but are still covered under the contract. (No one was ever required to officially join.) This means that a union is required to represent all parties covered under the bargaining agreement in order to protect the agreement. However, non-union members have NO VOICE in the contract issues. If a teacher decides not to join the union, we cannot protect that individual teacher with our legal resources should a non-contract issue arise. For example, we carry up to 1 million dollars in liability insurance through the IEA. Also, any EEOC complaints are not contractual (age, sex discrimination, for example) and thus we would not be able to provide legal assistance to non-members. In my state, that also means they wouldn't have access to free professional development, discounts, loan programs and more. While there is financial obligation (and that's usually more challenging for our education support personnel because they're still generally wildly underpaid), we hope people understand that we're stronger as a collective organization. Thank you for the explanation! That makes perfect sense as to why a teacher would want to join. Right now our teachers are in contract negotiations and it seems like the teachers who have been here awhile (some well past typical teacher retirement age) only have their interests in mind and we're losing newer teachers to districts who have contracts that benefit younger teachers too (granted I'm not 'in the know' so I have limited info) and some parents are inserting themselves without doing research thus spreading lies/untrue rumors. It's a bit of a mess. Anyhow, thank you for the compliment. I really only work one day a week; it gives the head teacher a planning day. Most days the only thing I promise to do is keep them all alive and try not to lose any (even that can be a challenge with a bunch of 4 year olds ), I don't do it for the pay I do it because I really do love the little kids.....tantrums, spills, potty accidents, and all. Being in the school gives a lot of insight into what these kids and teachers deal with every day; makes me appreciate teachers a whole lot more....thank you for all that you do!!!
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Post by artbabe on Jul 25, 2019 15:06:25 GMT
Definitely a union member. One of the things we bargained for was to have class sizes capped at 26. Other districts in our area have no class size cap so they have classes of 35 or more. This is awful for students. I am grateful for a lot of things we negotiated for, including pay, but the class size cap is a huge win for everyone.
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Post by katybee on Jul 25, 2019 15:17:29 GMT
Since unions for public schools are illegal in Texas, that would explain ineffectiveness. No, they’re not illegal. They’re just non-bargaining. I belonged to HFT, which is a chapter of the nationwide AFT union. The primary purpose of the union in Texas is to make sure the protections for teachers that are put into state law are followed - for example, by law, public school teachers must have a 45 minute planning and 30 minute duty free lunch every day. Some admin will try to get around that and fill up teachers’ planning and lunch time with meetings. The union steps in and makes sure the law is followed. The union also advocates for teachers with the school board when compensation and benefits are discussed. They have no bargaining power, but they do make our voice heard. And of course they also lobby at the state level for increased funding for schools, more effective testing practices, and protection of the teacher retirement system, which is what we get instead of social security. So our 45 minute planning times are “kind of” protected. We have meetings ALL of the time during planning, including EVERY Tuesday, some Thursdays (ARDS), and every Friday. We contacted APTE and they told us we COULD fight, but the principal has every right to keep us after school for those meetings (we already have a weekly staff meeting that usually always goes to 4:30). So do we want to suck it up and use our planning or stay after school?
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Post by ddly on Jul 25, 2019 15:18:20 GMT
I've been teaching for 12 years and have always been a union member. I know several teachers who don't believe in joining the union because they will never need anything from them, but they also don't understand the purpose of the union and what it does other than negotiate salaries.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 25, 2019 15:23:06 GMT
Definitely a union member. One of the things we bargained for was to have class sizes capped at 26. Other districts in our area have no class size cap so they have classes of 35 or more. This is awful for students. I am grateful for a lot of things we negotiated for, including pay, but the class size cap is a huge win for everyone. This is a great example of how unions work to protect what is best for kids. It is certainly cheaper to put 35 kids in a room instead of 25, but that's not what's best for learning!
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Post by ddly on Jul 25, 2019 15:27:56 GMT
So our 45 minute planning times are “kind of” protected. We have meetings ALL of the time during planning, including EVERY Tuesday, some Thursdays (ARDS), and every Friday. We contacted APTE and they told us we COULD fight, but the principal has every right to keep us after school for those meetings (we already have a weekly staff meeting that usually always goes to 4:30). So do we want to suck it up and use our planning or stay after school? This sucks. Our contract commits us to one staff meeting weekly after school. I left my school, long story but mostly due to an incompetent staff member, and went to a new one last year and the superintendent's secretary was someone I have known for years. I went in to do my paperwork and I questioned the salary. She said, sign the paper and we'll change the salary after I talk to the super. Well, the superintendent refused to give me credit for both of my master's degrees and I was stuck with a salary that wasn't right. I should have taken that as an omen to the way the district functioned. As soon as school started, I went to the building rep and my salary was changed at the next board meeting. Needless to say, I left that school and went back to my former school. They fixed the reasons I left and so I feel good about it and I'm so happy to go back to a place with an excellent administration and that actually focuses on education and not parent pleasing.
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Post by katybee on Jul 25, 2019 15:28:05 GMT
Another very important reason to be a member of the union in TX (even though it is not very powerful) is because it provides legal protection and insurance in case you are ever sued. If you are sued, you can be help PERSONALLY financially responsible. Parents sue over EVERYTHING. My school is currently being sued for $6 MILLION because a pre-k student was accidentally left outside for about 5 minutes after recess. (It was a substitute teacher. I am in no way defending the little girl getting locked out. I count my children every single time I come in from recess. But I do think $6 million is a little excessive.)
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 25, 2019 15:31:28 GMT
I wasn't. Our dues were really expensive when I started and no way could I have afforded them on my beginning salary. After that, I just heard bad things about our union.
Last year, when I was volunteering, they had four reps in the lounge talking to teachers and you could hear them trying to get people to join and they were using fear tactics by using worst case scenarios and I couldn't help but think that sometimes people shouldn't be in the career and having them leave is a good idea.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 25, 2019 15:48:58 GMT
I wasn't. Our dues were really expensive when I started and no way could I have afforded them on my beginning salary. After that, I just heard bad things about our union. Last year, when I was volunteering, they had four reps in the lounge talking to teachers and you could hear them trying to get people to join and they were using fear tactics by using worst case scenarios and I couldn't help but think that sometimes people shouldn't be in the career and having them leave is a good idea. Ugh. That makes me sad and angry. While unions can protect us if we are being mistreated by administration/school board/parents, that's certainly not our only function. We are a positive voice and advocate for KIDS. That should be the most important reason to join; we want educators to have a voice in how public schools should operate. Everyone else has a voice: admin, the board, parents. Unions help us to have a voice and power to effect change.
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