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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 4:46:58 GMT
They should have parked in the lot.
Now one lone woman? Still, park in the lot. But I can see an escort for her.
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Post by Patter on Aug 3, 2019 12:16:31 GMT
The officers are hired to be AT the fairgrounds, not blocks away. If these girls felt the need to be escorted out afterwards they should have gone to the fair in a group with guy friends included or had their dads take them to the fair. Their expectation was not reasonable. Exactly! My daughter will do these shifts as overtime on occasion. She is assigned to an area. The two officers there also back each other up if there is a problem. They cannot just leave to be personal escorts to those girls.
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Post by disneypal on Aug 3, 2019 12:32:49 GMT
I think if the girls didn't feel safe, it was smart of them to ask him to walk them but...at the same time, he probably wasn't supposed to leave his post.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 3, 2019 12:40:23 GMT
If they are walking 4-5 blocks I’m guessing they are not parking in the designated parking area which (at least for my fair) is much closer (albeit $20), but is well lit and secure. If the girls felt strongly they needed an escort it it the responsibility of one of the parents to drive over and assist. Or don’t be cheap and all chip in money to park in the fair lot. It is not the responsibility of the police to leave a large event to be personal escorts. There really isn’t designated parking at this fair. For the most part people park on the streets or people charge $5 to park in their yard. So the lighting isn’t great.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 3, 2019 13:43:45 GMT
Nope, unrealistic. If I was in that situation and was truly afraid to walk by myself back to my car, I would call a family member or friend to come give me a ride to my car.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 3, 2019 13:46:24 GMT
Definitely not !!! If a group of girls can’t walk 4/5 blocks to their car, how will they ever manage in college ??!! Actually, at DS school is any student is uncomfortable walking from parking to their dorm at night, an officer will come and get them where they are going.
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Post by busy on Aug 3, 2019 13:57:10 GMT
Definitely not !!! If a group of girls can’t walk 4/5 blocks to their car, how will they ever manage in college ??!! Actually, at DS school is any student is uncomfortable walking from parking to their dorm at night, an officer will come and get them where they are going. Campus security or police is different, though. The school is their job.
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Post by librarylady on Aug 3, 2019 14:06:39 GMT
I would not expect the officers to leave the job for which they were being paid (security at the fair) to be a personal body guard for the adult females.
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 3, 2019 14:08:20 GMT
Nope. If they a reason to be afraid (someone was harassing them, following them, etc) then sure. But otherwise? Nope. My thoughts exactly.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 3, 2019 14:34:18 GMT
To answer the OP, no I wouldn't expect the officers to be able to escort them. I am however, dismayed that the response to this post is that they're idiots, snowflakes or otherwise entitled. All that could be absolutely true - I don't know them. But I'm also a firm believer in trusting your gut in a situation and have strongly encouraged my daughter to do the same. If they felt "creeped out" - I would want to investigate a bit more on what was going on. Too often we encourage people to disregard their intuition. I'd spend my energy on discussing strategies than teaching them to disregard their gut.
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Post by destined2bmom on Aug 3, 2019 14:50:53 GMT
I completely agree with what everyone has stated. If they were so creeped out; why didn’t they call one of the parents or brothers to drive down and walk them?
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Post by arielsmom on Aug 3, 2019 14:55:30 GMT
Not safe for either officer to be working without their partner close by, not blocks away. If the girls did feel safe in that area, maybe they should not have attended or parked in that far away place?
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Post by alexa11 on Aug 3, 2019 14:56:24 GMT
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Post by amom23 on Aug 3, 2019 15:00:20 GMT
This is what I hate about social media...…...knowing the dumbass opinions of people I know in real life.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 3, 2019 15:21:20 GMT
So, apparently this mom actually called the fair office to complain. The person she spoke to said that the officers by the entrance are supposed to stay there because that is where fights are more likely to happen. But if they asked a different officer they might have been able to walk them.
I’m still shocked that someone would expect that given there was no active threat.
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Post by ashley on Aug 3, 2019 15:25:43 GMT
A group of women should be able to walk themselves to their car without the aid of a man.
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Post by chitchatgirl on Aug 3, 2019 16:06:53 GMT
Those women are going to be in for a rude awakening if they expect a cop to escort them everywhere. Part of being an adult is planning ahead whether that be years in the future or a few hours when it gets dark. If you’re not comfortable then you park somewhere else or don’t go. If it was one woman alone, maybe. But a group like this? Nope.
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Post by catmom on Aug 3, 2019 16:08:28 GMT
Completely unreasonable. Especially in a group.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 3, 2019 16:26:34 GMT
To answer the OP, no I wouldn't expect the officers to be able to escort them. I am however, dismayed that the response to this post is that they're idiots, snowflakes or otherwise entitled. All that could be absolutely true - I don't know them. But I'm also a firm believer in trusting your gut in a situation and have strongly encouraged my daughter to do the same. If they felt "creeped out" - I would want to investigate a bit more on what was going on. Too often we encourage people to disregard their intuition. I'd spend my energy on discussing strategies than teaching them to disregard their gut. I don’t have much faith in most people’s guts (and you will never see me in the “trust your gut” chorus). The bottom line is that adult people need to have reasonable expectations of the world around them. Police officers have actual jobs. Assigned places they are supposed to be, doing work that’s supposed to be done. A group of young women with no reason (no apparent threat) other than “it’s creepy out there” does not constitute a police emergency. The need to man/woman up and get themselves to the car, or they need to call for a ride, or they need to haul some boys along with them if they’re so fragile, or they need to just stay home, if they’re too timid to get themselves in a group back to their car, where they chose to park it. Not expect public servants to drop everything and coddle them. And the mother most certainly doesn’t need to call the fair to complain. (Yes, bad things happen out there sometimes. Life can be dangerous. Encouraging young women to be snowflake princesses does not improve their safety in the long run. It just contributes to making them lifelong snowflake princesses.) I’m sticking with my snowflake designation of the whole bunch of them.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 3, 2019 16:54:33 GMT
To answer the OP, no I wouldn't expect the officers to be able to escort them. I am however, dismayed that the response to this post is that they're idiots, snowflakes or otherwise entitled. All that could be absolutely true - I don't know them. But I'm also a firm believer in trusting your gut in a situation and have strongly encouraged my daughter to do the same. If they felt "creeped out" - I would want to investigate a bit more on what was going on. Too often we encourage people to disregard their intuition. I'd spend my energy on discussing strategies than teaching them to disregard their gut. I don’t have much faith in most people’s guts (and you will never see me in the “trust your gut” chorus). The bottom line is that adult people need to have reasonable expectations of the world around them. Police officers have actual jobs. Assigned places they are supposed to be, doing work that’s supposed to be done. A group of young women with no reason (no apparent threat) other than “it’s creepy out there” does not constitute a police emergency. The need to man/woman up and get themselves to the car, or they need to call for a ride, or they need to haul some boys along with them if they’re so fragile, or they need to just stay home, if they’re too timid to get themselves in a group back to their car, where they chose to park it. Not expect public servants to drop everything and coddle them. And the mother most certainly doesn’t need to call the fair to complain. (Yes, bad things happen out there sometimes. Life can be dangerous. Encouraging young women to be snowflake princesses does not improve their safety in the long run. It just contributes to making them lifelong snowflake princesses.) I’m sticking with my snowflake designation of the whole bunch of them. Look you just thought up a few strategies like I recommended I agreed with you on the police escort. We'll have to agree to disagree on instincts. I'm a huge believer that we perceive threats and dangerous situations and too often ignore that little voice in our head that says something's hinky. It's also entirely possible they're drama llamas - as I acknowledged in my OP.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 3, 2019 18:03:39 GMT
I don’t have much faith in most people’s guts (and you will never see me in the “trust your gut” chorus). The bottom line is that adult people need to have reasonable expectations of the world around them. Police officers have actual jobs. Assigned places they are supposed to be, doing work that’s supposed to be done. A group of young women with no reason (no apparent threat) other than “it’s creepy out there” does not constitute a police emergency. The need to man/woman up and get themselves to the car, or they need to call for a ride, or they need to haul some boys along with them if they’re so fragile, or they need to just stay home, if they’re too timid to get themselves in a group back to their car, where they chose to park it. Not expect public servants to drop everything and coddle them. And the mother most certainly doesn’t need to call the fair to complain. (Yes, bad things happen out there sometimes. Life can be dangerous. Encouraging young women to be snowflake princesses does not improve their safety in the long run. It just contributes to making them lifelong snowflake princesses.) I’m sticking with my snowflake designation of the whole bunch of them. Look you just thought up a few strategies like I recommended I agreed with you on the police escort. We'll have to agree to disagree on instincts. I'm a huge believer that we perceive threats and dangerous situations and too often ignore that little voice in our head that says something's hinky. It's also entirely possible they're drama llamas - as I acknowledged in my OP. I did think I sort of overreacted after posting, but I was too lazy to go back and try to fix it. So you can ignore all the stuff in the middle if you like. But I’m sticking to my guns on intuition. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but the vast majority of the time, those gut reactions are meaningless. If you feel a little prickle of panic every time you’re alone in an elevator and a man gets on, that doesn’t mean the man is a credible threat to you. Maybe one time in 100,000 ... but I am not going to be ruled by the one time. Some girl’s gut feeling that it’s creepy out there (where she chose to park her car) doesn’t cut it with me.
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Post by sweetandsour on Aug 3, 2019 18:44:25 GMT
So, apparently this mom actually called the fair office to complain. The person she spoke to said that the officers by the entrance are supposed to stay there because that is where fights are more likely to happen. But if they asked a different officer they might have been able to walk them. I’m still shocked that someone would expect that given there was no active threat. The mom actually called to complain for her adult daughter? Wow. Time to let the adult daughter fight her own little battles. Is she planning to call the college when her adult daughter gets a poor grade on an exam?
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Post by anniefb on Aug 3, 2019 19:11:57 GMT
Unreasonable expectation.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 3, 2019 19:34:16 GMT
I completely agree with what everyone has stated. If they were so creeped out; why didn’t they call one of the parents or brothers to drive down and walk them? If they’re going to call someone to drive down to the fairgrounds to walk with them, the person coming might as well just give them a ride directly to their car.
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Post by **Angie** on Aug 5, 2019 3:56:54 GMT
An unreasonable expectation for them to have. The county fair should have provided people to walk other people to their cars, not county-paid officers who are at the fair to protect the people that are AT the fair. What would the uproar be, if the officer was busy walking people to their cars, if something happened at the fair? People would be complaining that the officer wasn't doing the job that they were paid to do. I wouldn't expect a county fair to provide escorts.
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Post by gina on Aug 5, 2019 5:02:24 GMT
Unreasonable expectation.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Aug 5, 2019 13:47:36 GMT
Not reasonable. Girls of that age in a group should've been fine walking to the car.
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 5, 2019 16:35:00 GMT
No.
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Post by giatocj on Aug 5, 2019 16:54:37 GMT
I think that expectation reeks of a highly inflated sense of entitlement. There was zero reason for an officer to escort that group to their car.
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