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Post by beepdave on Aug 22, 2019 17:08:05 GMT
starting next year the RealID is going to be REQUIRED for any air travel, whether it's domestic or not- correct?? I'd be much more apt to have to do short-notice domestic air travel than short-notice international travel. Because of the air travel requirement, I would think pretty much everyone would want to get a compliant RealID... but then again, if you're a senior citizen, etc. and you don't EVER plan to travel... maybe you wouldn't bother getting a compliant one. I'm really surprised the states would keep both types available, though, to be honest. I'm confused about this and admit that this is the first time I'm hearing about this. So starting next year if you fly domestically and you have a passport that won't fulfill the requirements? You'll still need a RealID? What if you fly internationally and fly out of a USA airport? RealID or will passport alone be okay? I checked the requirements for MD quickly yesterday before dashing out for an appointment and I think they are asking for paperwork for any name changes (if you got divorced) and I've had two and can't remember where they were filed (the last one was 26 years ago!) and with what office or where. I have no idea how to get this paperwork together so of course I'd rather not have to get this if I can avoid it. Passport alone will be fine.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 22, 2019 17:08:51 GMT
Or maybe you are. Out of curiosity I just checked the SC DMV website and we only pay $25 for either option. But apparently, it still IS an option to get the fully compliant one or not. starting next year the RealID is going to be REQUIRED for any air travel, whether it's domestic or not- correct?? I'd be much more apt to have to do short-notice domestic air travel than short-notice international travel. Because of the air travel requirement, I would think pretty much everyone would want to get a compliant RealID... but then again, if you're a senior citizen, etc. and you don't EVER plan to travel... maybe you wouldn't bother getting a compliant one. I'm really surprised the states would keep both types available, though, to be honest. It’s not required ... you can use a passport instead. I’m currently deciding what to do about it. My passport is expired and I just last week renewed my driver’s license without getting the RealID version, because as usual I left it too long to get it together before the expiration date. I’m leaning toward just getting a new passport. That way I can pretend I’m going to travel overseas, too.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 22, 2019 17:16:22 GMT
I didn't realize that it was RealID OR Passport for air travel. Can you get a passport by mail, or get them more locally than you can get the RealID? I always think about a passport as "only" being required for travel overseas, I guess (from growing up, as only people 'rich' enough to travel overseas needed them, lol). My DH carried his passport with him when he was doing OTR truck driving, and I always thought that was overkill, and not exactly safe-- he was ONLY doing domestic driving, he didn't really need it for any reason, and there was a risk of losing it.
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Post by birukitty on Aug 22, 2019 17:17:54 GMT
I'm confused about this and admit that this is the first time I'm hearing about this. So starting next year if you fly domestically and you have a passport that won't fulfill the requirements? You'll still need a RealID? What if you fly internationally and fly out of a USA airport? RealID or will passport alone be okay? I checked the requirements for MD quickly yesterday before dashing out for an appointment and I think they are asking for paperwork for any name changes (if you got divorced) and I've had two and can't remember where they were filed (the last one was 26 years ago!) and with what office or where. I have no idea how to get this paperwork together so of course I'd rather not have to get this if I can avoid it. Passport alone will be fine. Thank you. I have a current passport that I just renewed two years ago. This saves me a lot of trouble and cost.
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Post by birukitty on Aug 22, 2019 17:21:19 GMT
I didn't realize that it was RealID OR Passport for air travel. Can you get a passport by mail, or get them more locally than you can get the RealID? I always think about a passport as "only" being required for travel overseas, I guess (from growing up, as only people 'rich' enough to travel overseas needed them, lol). My DH carried his passport with him when he was doing OTR truck driving, and I always thought that was overkill, and not exactly safe-- he was ONLY doing domestic driving, he didn't really need it for any reason, and there was a risk of losing it. I'm not sure if you can get a passport locally or not-I've always gotten mine by mail. They are easy to get. The passport forms are at the post office. You'll need to get passport photos (most drugstores will do them) and then fill out the forms and mail them to the passport office. I can't remember how you pay the fee, but I'm sure the forms will explain that. Then the passports are shipped to you. There are two options-regular which takes a few weeks and express which costs more and takes less time. I take that back-once I got them locally but that was when I was working in Washington DC and I went to the big passport office during my lunch hour so I guess in a big city you can get them locally although that was a long time ago so I'd check on that.
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Post by katlady on Aug 22, 2019 17:57:13 GMT
I didn't realize that it was RealID OR Passport for air travel. Can you get a passport by mail, or get them more locally than you can get the RealID? I always think about a passport as "only" being required for travel overseas, I guess (from growing up, as only people 'rich' enough to travel overseas needed them, lol). My DH carried his passport with him when he was doing OTR truck driving, and I always thought that was overkill, and not exactly safe-- he was ONLY doing domestic driving, he didn't really need it for any reason, and there was a risk of losing it. Check with a post office in your area. Some of them handle passport processing, usually on an appointment basis.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 22, 2019 17:59:04 GMT
I didn't realize that it was RealID OR Passport for air travel. Can you get a passport by mail, or get them more locally than you can get the RealID? I always think about a passport as "only" being required for travel overseas, I guess (from growing up, as only people 'rich' enough to travel overseas needed them, lol). My DH carried his passport with him when he was doing OTR truck driving, and I always thought that was overkill, and not exactly safe-- he was ONLY doing domestic driving, he didn't really need it for any reason, and there was a risk of losing it. There are quite a few locations that will accept passport applications (lots of post offices are designated). You need to apply in person for your first and if you're under 16. iafdb.travel.state.gov/
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Post by beaglemom on Aug 22, 2019 18:20:20 GMT
This is shocking to me. All 6 of us have ours. My oldest dd at age 8 has been to England, Ireland, Wales, and Mexico (5 times). The younger kids (6, 3, 1) have all been to Mexico - we go down to Cabo every other year for Christmas. We were supposed to go to New Zealand/Australia last fall, but I sent dh on his own because I didn't want to deal with the trip with the kids at their ages (7, 5, 2, and 6 months old at the time).
I got my first passport at age 5/6? We were going to Europe. I don't think I have ever let it expire. With kids, it is more annoying because they are only valid for 5 years vs 10 years as an adult.
I remember thinking it was weird when a good friend wanted to get hers in our late 20's because she had never had one. I was shocked that she didn't already have it. She had only been to Mexico before you needed a passport to do so. Her parents had traveled internationally, so I assumed that she had hers.
I guess I just assumed everyone had them.
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Post by Peal on Aug 22, 2019 18:20:57 GMT
We all have current passports because we traveled last year. I don't remember them costing a lot of money, but maybe they did. We were able to do it at the county office. My two oldest had expired passports and my youngest got a new issue. Traveling out of the country isn't something I do without some advanced notice, so keeping an up to date passport isn't a high priority. But I do have a second gov't ID already if I need to provide two forms of ID somewhere.
Our state is slow implementing the Real ID program. My son, who has had his license for about a year just got a new one in the mail with the gold star. We weren't expecting it and hadn't requested it. I think they are slowly issuing everyone with a valid license a Real ID license. We certainly had to take in a treasure trove of information to get the original license and they have all of that on file now.
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Post by disneypal on Aug 22, 2019 18:27:11 GMT
My family never had the money to travel within the country, let alone travel outside the country so a passport was something we just never needed. Now that I am older, I can afford to travel to another country and do have a desire to but just don't have the time (finances not really an issue now). I guess it is just something I haven't really needed and therefore just never bothered with it.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 22, 2019 19:12:43 GMT
I’ve never had one, and outside of the United States have only traveled to Canada. To me it’s another piece of identification that can be stolen and used against me so I don’t want one for just in case. And I know my sad self won’t be able to travel internationally for quite some time
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 22, 2019 19:20:49 GMT
This is shocking to me. All 6 of us have ours. My oldest dd at age 8 has been to England, Ireland, Wales, and Mexico (5 times). The younger kids (6, 3, 1) have all been to Mexico - we go down to Cabo every other year for Christmas. We were supposed to go to New Zealand/Australia last fall, but I sent dh on his own because I didn't want to deal with the trip with the kids at their ages (7, 5, 2, and 6 months old at the time). I got my first passport at age 5/6? We were going to Europe. I don't think I have ever let it expire. With kids, it is more annoying because they are only valid for 5 years vs 10 years as an adult. I remember thinking it was weird when a good friend wanted to get hers in our late 20's because she had never had one. I was shocked that she didn't already have it. She had only been to Mexico before you needed a passport to do so. Her parents had traveled internationally, so I assumed that she had hers. I guess I just assumed everyone had them. For the working poor or those at poverty level, travel or a passport is a luxury they can not afford.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 22, 2019 19:49:49 GMT
For the working poor or those at poverty level, travel or a passport is a luxury they can not afford. true- but not just working poor or poverty level; people in a economic class higher than just poverty don't necessarily prioritize international travel; I think it also has to do with geographic location. Like someone said, the US is a very large country, there's lots to see, and there's not easy access to airports. I grew up in a small town in the Midwest (Northwest Illinos), where it was at least a 3 hour drive to get to an international airport (Chicago). International travel was NOT something we were going to be doing when I was a kid. We drove 12 hours to Minnesota every year for vacation; that was a heckuva lot cheaper vacation- and quicker- than driving 3 hours just to get to the airport to even start your trip. (not to mention, both my parents have only ever flown in small planes and commercial air travel wasn't on their radar at ALL.) Maybe international travel seems more 'normal' if you're more affluent AND if you live closer to an international airport, like if you live somewhere on the East Coast. ??
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 22, 2019 19:57:02 GMT
For the working poor or those at poverty level, travel or a passport is a luxury they can not afford. true- but not just working poor or poverty level. Economic class, but I think it also has to do with geographic location. Like someone said, the US is a very large country. I grew up in a small town in the Midwest (Northwest Illinos), where it was at least a 3 hour drive to get to an international airport (Chicago). International travel was NOT something we were going to be doing. (not to mention, both my parents have only flown in small planes, and commercial air travel isn't on their radar at ALL.) We drove 12 hours to Minnesota every year for vacation; that was a heckuva lot cheaper- and quicker- than driving 3 hours just to get to the airport. Maybe international travel seems more 'normal' if you're more affluent AND you live closer to an international airport, like i fyou live somewhere on the East Coast. ?? I grew up basically poor, although my dad did have a steady paycheck. It just wasn't a lot since back then my mom wasn't working. But I lived in a large city (Pittsburgh) and most of my friends had family in some other country... mostly Israel or Russia or Eastern Europe, so most of us did have passports. Maybe they were less expensive back then. My mother wasn't born here so her entire family was in another country also, so I and my sister, along with most of our friends, had passports at very young ages.
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Post by beaglemom on Aug 22, 2019 19:57:37 GMT
For the working poor or those at poverty level, travel or a passport is a luxury they can not afford. true- but not just working poor or poverty level. Economic class, but I think it also has to do with geographic location. Like someone said, the US is a very large country. I grew up in a small town in the Midwest (Northwest Illinos), where it was at least a 3 hour drive to get to an international airport (Chicago). International travel was NOT something we were going to be doing. (not to mention, both my parents have only flown in small planes, and commercial air travel isn't on their radar at ALL.) We drove 12 hours to Minnesota every year for vacation; that was a heckuva lot cheaper- and quicker- than driving 3 hours just to get to the airport. Maybe international travel seems more 'normal' if you're more affluent AND you live closer to an international airport, like i fyou live somewhere on the East Coast. ?? I could see that. I grew up in the Bay area and have always lived 30-40 minutes from 2 international airports. Come to think about it it didn't occur to me until your post that not all US airports are international airports. I am not sure I have ever flown in or out of a non international airport.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 22, 2019 20:19:15 GMT
This is shocking to me. All 6 of us have ours. My oldest dd at age 8 has been to England, Ireland, Wales, and Mexico (5 times). The younger kids (6, 3, 1) have all been to Mexico - we go down to Cabo every other year for Christmas. We were supposed to go to New Zealand/Australia last fall, but I sent dh on his own because I didn't want to deal with the trip with the kids at their ages (7, 5, 2, and 6 months old at the time). I got my first passport at age 5/6? We were going to Europe. I don't think I have ever let it expire. With kids, it is more annoying because they are only valid for 5 years vs 10 years as an adult. I remember thinking it was weird when a good friend wanted to get hers in our late 20's because she had never had one. I was shocked that she didn't already have it. She had only been to Mexico before you needed a passport to do so. Her parents had traveled internationally, so I assumed that she had hers. I guess I just assumed everyone had them. Is this a humble brag? I’m shocked that you assume everyone is jetting to Cabo for Christmas every year or footing the bill for a family of six to Europe and New Zealand/Australia. Surely you’re not shocked that the average family cannot afford to travel like that?!?! ETA: living near an international airport doesn’t equate to being able to afford to travel internationally.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 22, 2019 20:22:15 GMT
ETA: living near an international airport doesn’t equate to being able to afford to travel internationally. good point- but I still think the reverse might be true: NOT living anywhere near one might make someone less apt to travel internationally.
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Post by jenjie on Aug 22, 2019 20:37:03 GMT
We lived close to an international airport but I never flew until several years after I was married. My parents found a place in Maine they liked to vacation and we went there every. single. year.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 22, 2019 22:01:19 GMT
For the working poor or those at poverty level, travel or a passport is a luxury they can not afford. true- but not just working poor or poverty level; people in a economic class higher than just poverty don't necessarily prioritize international travel; I think it also has to do with geographic location. Like someone said, the US is a very large country, there's lots to see, and there's not easy access to airports. I grew up in a small town in the Midwest (Northwest Illinos), where it was at least a 3 hour drive to get to an international airport (Chicago). International travel was NOT something we were going to be doing when I was a kid. We drove 12 hours to Minnesota every year for vacation; that was a heckuva lot cheaper vacation- and quicker- than driving 3 hours just to get to the airport to even start your trip. (not to mention, both my parents have only ever flown in small planes and commercial air travel wasn't on their radar at ALL.) Maybe international travel seems more 'normal' if you're more affluent AND if you live closer to an international airport, like if you live somewhere on the East Coast. ?? Yes! In my small town you really didn’t hear of anyone traveling abroad! If someone wanted to travel, they joined the military!
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Post by tentoes on Aug 22, 2019 23:18:51 GMT
I've never had one. I live in the USA, and have been to Canada and to Mexico, and somehow never needed one. I do have my real ID as of this year when I renewed my license. I didn't need a passport to get my real ID.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 22, 2019 23:41:58 GMT
We all have current passports because we traveled last year. I don't remember them costing a lot of money, but maybe they did. We were able to do it at the county office. My two oldest had expired passports and my youngest got a new issue. Traveling out of the country isn't something I do without some advanced notice, so keeping an up to date passport isn't a high priority. But I do have a second gov't ID already if I need to provide two forms of ID somewhere. Our state is slow implementing the Real ID program. My son, who has had his license for about a year just got a new one in the mail with the gold star. We weren't expecting it and hadn't requested it. I think they are slowly issuing everyone with a valid license a Real ID license. We certainly had to take in a treasure trove of information to get the original license and they have all of that on file now. may i ask what you needed? Ds just got his permit and we had to take his birth certificate, so card, and two pieces of mail or one piece plus my ID and the I had to sign something that said he was who we said he was That doesn't seem like much
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