UK Peas: Proroguing Parliament?

I'm sure we'll survive. We managed quite well before we joined according to a lot of older people I've spoken to. It's ironic really as France didn't want us to join initially and now they don't want us to leave!

I'm sure you've gathered by now that I'm a bit of an optimist

Maybe we (mostly middle class British women) will survive, albeit with a very uncertain future ahead of us. But what about those that might not? Health unions have warned that a no deal Brexit may lead to potentially fatal drug shortages and 11 of these unions have signed a joint statement asking the government to take a no deal exit of the table. Multiple firms have already relocated away from the UK and scores more will inevitably do in the event of a no deal. Thousands of people will lose jobs, including scores of just scraping by factory workers. They will be forced to go on benefits and then will be blamed by the right for being lazy. The economy will crash and the younger generation will no longer have the luxury of working and living freely in Europe afforded to their parents. Many of these parents voting to take this away from them. Maybe you think I'm being dramatic but a no deal Brexit will be a disaster for many in this country. 

It is a done deal after the vote but there is a grace period of originally 2 years (now extended) to allow the UK to form a deal with the EU. The deal will determine new rules between the two countries (for example on immigration and trade) but they can't agree and Britain may now leave the EU with nothing. People voted for Brexit for a variety of reasons e.g worries about immigration, being given false promises by the leave campaign (for example that our health service would receive £300 million more a week on leaving the EU). 

They do and we shall, it’s what we are good at. It’s how we get there that’s the corncern.

And surviving without being a member is quite different from being a member then leaving without a plan as to how the changes will be managed etc.

Being an optimist is one thing, being flippant about the time it’ll take to reach a new stability and the mess that will ensue in the interim is something else quite honestly @dottyscrapper.

I'm not being flippant about it, not at all but there is a lot of scaremongering out there about a lot of  things that might not happen. There are probably a lot of things being sorted out in the background that we don't know about. I don't think for one minute that BJ or anyone else dealing with it, haven't made plans to deal with whatever the outcome will be. I'm sure they're prepared for the worse scenario, just in case we do have to come out with no deal. No one really wants a no deal but if the worse comes to the worse we will just have to get on with it and I have no doubt we will.

I'm also a bit fed up of hearing about people that are prepared to throw the towel in because it's proving more difficult than first envisaged.It was never going to be easy, there's too much involved in the severance for it to have been a walk in the park and anyone that thought otherwise are pretty naive IMO

Can’t abide Tony Blair and can’t watch tv currently. Is it possible for you to summarise?

Hmm, maybe the gist had been published yesterday and I’m behind! He’s at the Institute for Government. www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/tony-blair-speech-to-institute-for-government-1-6247379. Speech was more than this. Maybe someone less technically challenged can find it!

I couldn’t find anything on the bbc....never mind.
Everything is getting a bit high pitched isn’t it!!

1. When is the showdown in Parliament?

Lawmakers who oppose a so called no-deal Brexit -- including some senior members of Johnson’s own Conservative Party -- will try to seize control of parliamentary business on Sept. 3. They aim to pass legislation that would force Johnson to delay Brexit if he hasn’t hammered out a deal with EU leaders in Brussels. In a dramatic ultimatum, Johnson has said he will try to trigger a snap election for Oct. 14 if he loses control of the agenda in Parliament. It’s not clear how the proceedings will unfold, but it may take until Wednesday night after votes on two measures -- one to block a no-deal Brexit and then potentially one on holding a general election.

www.washingtonpost.com/business/what-to-expect-from-the-brexit-showdown-in-parliament/2019/09/03/2d721ff0-ce5a-11e9-a620-0a91656d7db6_story.html

It's going to be an interesting 24-48 hours.

"No amount of repetition of ‘this will all be terribly easy’ ever makes it true. It is not unpatriotic or ‘declinist’ to point out that a process of ‘differential disentanglement’ – which is actually what Brexit is – will be hard, complex and lengthy. How, seriously, after more than three years can so much of our political elite still be in denial on this?

If you leave a club whose other members are prepared to integrate more deeply politically and juridically than you, because they see economic and political benefits from doing so, you cannot tell the public that any adverse consequences of leaving are all the club’s fault, for wilfully not carrying on giving you club benefits when you leave.

Nor can you just wish away issues at borders, whether on land or cross-Channel, when the entire purpose of leaving the Single Market and Customs Union must be to run deliberately different regulatory regimes – chosen by your own Parliament – where you believe it suits you.

Such choices by definition entail a hard border. Borders across the whole world demarcate different regulatory regimes."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/ivan-rogers-the-realities-of-a-no-deal-brexit/