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Post by hop2 on Sept 13, 2019 21:42:22 GMT
imho totally not based on legal rules or anything. But I think the fine should be bigger than what they paid in the scam, double would be nice. Again not ‘legal’ but based on how easily they can drop money on unnecessary things to prop up their kids the fine needs to be big enough to matter to them somehow. Actually her fine is double what she paid. She paid $15000 to up her daughter's SAT scores. thats what I mean, I’d like to see the ones who paid higher amounts in the scam pay much higher fines
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Post by jeanninem on Sept 13, 2019 22:02:43 GMT
Summary: Vandemoer, 41, pleaded guilty in March to racketeering charges for accepting $610,000 in bribes from the admissions scheme's mastermind Rick Singer to benefit Stanford's sailing program in exchange for designating college applicants as sailing recruits to get them accepted into the prestigious university.
I get that Felicity Huffman should have a punishment associated with her crime. However. This coach accepted $610,000 in bribes and received one-day jail sentence
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Sept 13, 2019 22:06:02 GMT
I don't think that is justice. But it's a legal system, not a justice system.
It's easy to say it's because of white privilege, and it is, but it's also wealth privilege.
Let's look at a similar example of what would happen if she was poor instead.
And instead of making an enormous bribe to a college, a single mom lied about her child's address to enroll them in a school district that is safer, the building in better condition, with better paid teachers and smaller class size.
Okay, so she got caught. And arrested. Her kids go to their grandparents, best case scenario, or foster care, worst case scenario. Because she is too poor to make bail, so she has to sit and wait in jail for weeks? More like months, before having her time in front of a judge.
Well, her job isn't going to hold her position for her while she's in jail. she's already been replaced after second no show shift.
And her bills aren't being paid. Maybe she's renting month to month, and her landlord is already evicting her. Tossing her & her children's stuff out.
She finally gets her time in front of a judge. Maybe he's lenient. Time served? Maybe not. Maybe she gets a five thousand dollar fine that may as well be five million, because she can't pay either anyway.
In the end the poor woman's life is wrecked right now, and will take a good while before she can scrape it back together again.
Now, let's look back at Huffman. She'll serve her two weeks. Maybe she'll get work release, like Epstein did.
And in the end, she was able to make bail, didnt rot for months waiting for her trial, her kids are safe, she didn't lose her home or way of life. Heck, she'll probably get a book deal.
I see no justice in this outcome.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 13, 2019 22:50:34 GMT
I hope Laurie Loughlin is shaking in her shoes.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 13, 2019 22:53:09 GMT
I don't think that is justice. But it's a legal system, not a justice system. It's easy to say it's because of white privilege, and it is, but it's also wealth privilege. Let's look at a similar example of what would happen if she was poor instead. And instead of making an enormous bribe to a college, a single mom lied about her child's address to enroll them in a school district that is safer, the building in better condition, with better paid teachers and smaller class size. Okay, so she got caught. And arrested. Her kids go to their grandparents, best case scenario, or foster care, worst case scenario. Because she is too poor to make bail, so she has to sit and wait in jail for weeks? More like months, before having her time in front of a judge. Well, her job isn't going to hold her position for her while she's in jail. she's already been replaced after second no show shift. And her bills aren't being paid. Maybe she's renting month to month, and her landlord is already evicting her. Tossing her & her children's stuff out. She finally gets her time in front of a judge. Maybe he's lenient. Time served? Maybe not. Maybe she gets a five thousand dollar fine that may as well be five million, because she can't pay either anyway. In the end the poor woman's life is wrecked right now, and will take a good while before she can scrape it back together again. Now, let's look back at Huffman. She'll serve her two weeks. Maybe she'll get work release, like Epstein did. And in the end, she was able to make bail, didnt rot for months waiting for her trial, her kids are safe, she didn't lose her home or way of life. Heck, she'll probably get a book deal. I see no justice in this outcome. Mwhile those situations seem like the same crime, they actually aren’t. Lying to go to a different public school than the district your child is entitled to go to, technically steals or misappropriates tax money from that district. Which is why it is prosecuted as more of a crime than using your own money to bribe a crooked test center. Misappropriation of tax funds is a harsher crime & gets a harsher sentence. It is also a state crime as opposed to a federal crime & state laws can vary so much from state to state. It’s not really apples to apples In my state parents found enrolling their kids incorrectly get sent a bill. I haven’t heard of jail time
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Post by papersilly on Sept 13, 2019 22:58:42 GMT
My first thought was she needed more jail time. She will only likely serve 11 days or so. I would have liked to have seen her actually serve 2-3 months. Long enough that she gets a real taste of prison life. With prison overcrowding and her non violent offense, it will probably be more like a day and she'll have spent it in isolation for her "protection". It will probably take more time to process her in and process her out than she'll actually spend doing time.
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Post by scrapngranny on Sept 13, 2019 22:59:47 GMT
That is sufficient. The humiliation alone is a pretty heavy price, and she owned what she did. It’s not like she is a risk to reoffend.
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Post by chaosisapony on Sept 13, 2019 23:09:14 GMT
There's a man locally that drove drunk last year and killed a person on the side of the road. He was given a one year jail sentence. One year for taking a life. Last week, before that sentence had even started, he was arrested again for drunk driving. I am livid and outraged by this local case. Some people paying their way into college? Not so much.
I do agree that her celebrity privilege is gave her a lighter sentence much the same way Paris Hilton got in and out of jail in a day all those years ago. But, I think the fact that these ladies were even prosecuted at all is an improvement. 20 years ago it would all have been swept under the rug.
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Post by crittsmom on Sept 13, 2019 23:17:00 GMT
I had read in one of the news releases, that her Huffman's daughter had a learning disability. Not saying that made what she did was right. I was just curious what kind she actually had? Does anyone know the answer ?
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Post by hop2 on Sept 13, 2019 23:36:24 GMT
There's a man locally that drove drunk last year and killed a person on the side of the road. He was given a one year jail sentence. One year for taking a life. Last week, before that sentence had even started, he was arrested again for drunk driving. I am livid and outraged by this local case. Some people paying their way into college? Not so much. I do agree that her celebrity privilege is gave her a lighter sentence much the same way Paris Hilton got in and out of jail in a day all those years ago. But, I think the fact that these ladies were even prosecuted at all is an improvement. 20 years ago it would all have been swept under the rug. The guy who murdered my sister got 50 months in jail. And we were expected to think that’s ok. Not ok imho but my opinion doesn’t count.
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Post by tenacious on Sept 13, 2019 23:46:07 GMT
I am glad they added the community service part and upped the fine, but, I think she should have gotten at LEAST 30 days, and more like a few months in prison. I actually really like Felicity Huffman, but, commit a crime, do the time...just like a regular citizen would. I am so sick of the wealth privilege. Erin
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Post by elaine on Sept 13, 2019 23:56:24 GMT
I had read in one of the news releases, that her Huffman's daughter had a learning disability. Not saying that made what she did was right. I was just curious what kind she actually had? Does anyone know the answer ? No one will know except the school personnel who saw her school info first hand and they can’t say because of FERPA. We only have Huffman’s report of what she says her daughter had. She claims her daughter has/had ADHD, but that doesn’t necessarily mean she had a learning disability significant enough to have an IEP or a 504 even if she truly does have ADHD. ADHD in itself is not a learning disability. Although half of people with ADHD also have a learning disability, like dyslexia or dysgraphia.
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Post by likescarrots on Sept 14, 2019 0:03:19 GMT
I'm fine with her sentence, she plead guilty and admitted wrong doing. I wish the fine would have been bigger. I do not believe her career or life will be ruined by this in the least.
Now Lori Loughlin, I hope she gets the maximum.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 14, 2019 0:15:59 GMT
I’ll admit I didn’t want to see her or Lori go to prison. I’m fine with the community service part. These are rich people. I’d like all of them hit where it hurts the most - in their pocketbook. Scholarship funds set up at all the schools that were affected that they have to finance for a very long time would be a fair and beneficial punishment. Just my opinion. I respectfully disagree. I think a fine is the easy part for everyone caught up in this scandal. The felony conviction will forever be part of their bio and I hope Lori and her husband are squirming today. I also think funding a SAT/ACT tutoring program would make way more sense than any college scholarships, but TBH, would rather see the whole SAT/College Board thing disappear.
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Post by elaine on Sept 14, 2019 0:30:26 GMT
Are there any lawyers here who can answer the question as to whether the legal system can actually sentence people to setting up scholarships as a punishment?
I know that the courts can fine them, but can they dictate setting up a scholarship?
I’m asking this in all sincerity because I truly don’t know.
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Post by scrapmaven on Sept 14, 2019 1:24:37 GMT
Those kids took the spots of hardworking students who deserved to get in based upon sheer hard work. Enough said!
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Post by janeliz on Sept 14, 2019 1:24:59 GMT
If you’re a podcast listener, check out Gangster Capitalism. Season 1 is covering the college admissions scandal. You get to hear transcripts of the parents’ conversations (read by actors) with Rick Singer, and I think the episodes give some interesting insight into why the things these people did weren’t just victimless, petty crimes.
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Post by MZF on Sept 14, 2019 1:55:26 GMT
I'm fine with her sentence, she plead guilty and admitted wrong doing. I wish the fine would have been bigger. I do not believe her career or life will be ruined by this in the least. Now Lori Loughlin, I hope she gets the maximum. This is how I feel, too. I really hope Lori Loughlin gets the max jail & monetary sentence allowed. She still refuses to admit guilt or accept any responsibility for what she did.
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Post by kelly8875 on Sept 14, 2019 2:00:52 GMT
I think the fine should have been higher, but the rest I’m okay with. She did at least admit guilt, and she’s accepting responsibility.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Sept 14, 2019 2:09:05 GMT
I can appreciate anyone who is like “hey, I’m sorry I screwed up how can we fix this” but LL refuses to admit guilt and she lost all respect from me (like it really matters to her lol) and her YouTube daughter is a snot just like LL.
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Post by PaperAngel on Sept 14, 2019 3:02:45 GMT
It's my understanding her sentence is 14 days in prison (likely a country club type facility for white collar criminals), a $30,000 fine (which is double the amount she allegedly paid to increase her oldest daughter's test scores), & 250 hours of community service. Given reports the bribe, for which she has admitted & been convicted, was disguised as a charitable contribution to Singer's non-profit, she likely will also be penalized for civil tax fraud by the IRS.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 14, 2019 3:36:15 GMT
I’ll admit I didn’t want to see her or Lori go to prison. I don't know. Lori seems unrepentant about the whole thing. I'd be okay if she did do time and I don't see how she won't when she paid even more money. I hope the fine is very steep.
I don't think her career or reputation are ruined one bit. I think it will blow over and she'll be back to work in no time. This might be true. Look at Martha Stewart.
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Post by nogfz on Sept 14, 2019 4:29:34 GMT
So I'm the only one who thinks her white privilege got her through this mess with just a slap on the wrist? ELITE privilege, yes. There is a difference.
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Post by nogfz on Sept 14, 2019 4:38:56 GMT
I’ll admit I didn’t want to see her or Lori go to prison. I’m fine with the community service part. These are rich people. I’d like all of them hit where it hurts the most - in their pocketbook. Scholarship funds set up at all the schools that were affected that they have to finance for a very long time would be a fair and beneficial punishment. Just my opinion. This makes no sense. For the very rich, a hit to the pocketbook doesn't hurt at ALL. I dare say they handle quite a lot of 'unpleasantness' with their pocketbooks and it doesn't affect their lives even the tiniest bit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 5:17:54 GMT
I think the fine was ridiculous. Too small. Way too small. And I think she should have stayed in prison for a month. Long enough for it to be uncomfortable. I'm tired of living in a society where the wealthy have a completely different set of rules. I put it on the other thread, I'll put it here too. Anyone who doesn't see two systems of justice needs a vision screen.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 14, 2019 5:32:38 GMT
I think the fine was ridiculous. Too small. Way too small. And I think she should have stayed in prison for a month. Long enough for it to be uncomfortable. I'm tired of living in a society where the wealthy have a completely different set of rules. I put it on the other thread, I'll put it here too. Anyone who doesn't see two systems of justice needs a vision screen. wasn't she/they homeless at the time, too? What residence was she supposed to claim when they haven't one? and the same fine as a rich white woman, seems fair.
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Post by cycworker on Sept 14, 2019 9:59:20 GMT
So I'm the only one who thinks her white privilege got her through this mess with just a slap on the wrist? Me too! Reeks of white privilege. I was just reading about a black mom who got 12 YEARS in prison for lying about her address so her kid could go to a better school. GRRRR I did too. And that's a ridiculous, racist sentence for that mom. I think we should protest that. You don't solve that problem by giving Huffman a ridiculous prison term. Punish the real perpetrators - the school officials who took advantage of Huffmsns concern for her kid i don't like what Felicity Huffman did. But I get it. She's remorseful. She's far less awful than Lori IMO.
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Post by supersoda on Sept 14, 2019 12:08:10 GMT
I think Felicity Huffman’s punishment was appropriate for her crime. (Yes, the fine seems light for her, but there may have been a cap on what the court could do.) Maybe it’s because I’ve had some experience in the criminal justice system and have seen the sentences doled out for (what I consider) much more egregious and harmful offenses (violent crime, multiple drunk driving incidents, child porn). And just the humiliation of being processed into jail will be a learning experience for her.
I’m disgusted by the ridiculous sentences that women of color have received for similar conduct. They are wholly outsized, do not fit the crime, and are prime examples of the disproportionate treatment for people of color in the criminal justice system. I’m glad this scandal is bringing attention to these cases and will hopefully lead to change and appropriate sentences for everybody.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 14, 2019 12:13:03 GMT
Are there any lawyers here who can answer the question as to whether the legal system can actually sentence people to setting up scholarships as a punishment? I know that the courts can fine them, but can they dictate setting up a scholarship? I’m asking this in all sincerity because I truly don’t know. perhaps that could be part of the community service? A scholarship foundation would be a charity I’m not sure that hours spent at a charity equals community service though.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 14, 2019 12:22:31 GMT
I’ll admit I didn’t want to see her or Lori go to prison. I don't know. Lori seems unrepentant about the whole thing. I'd be okay if she did do time and I don't see how she won't when she paid even more money. I hope the fine is very steep.
I don't think her career or reputation are ruined one bit. I think it will blow over and she'll be back to work in no time. This might be true. Look at Martha Stewart. While what Martha did is technically a crime, it is a crime that people get away with everyday. Influential people, politicians, mostly men. Only non influential people go to jail for insider trading. This crime is committed almost daily and yet rarely prosecuted. Martha went to jail to teach her a lesson, she stepped on someone’s toes, got too influential. Imho Martha went to jail because she was a successful woman. People are happy to forgive Martha because she handled it well publicly and because this stuff goes on all the time. Felicity Huffman has played this well publicly. Admitting wrong doing, apologizing, accepting responsibility. I won’t be surprised if her career is fine after an adjustment. Lori, I hope to never see on screen again.
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