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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 13:08:12 GMT
Did anyone watch Chanel Miller on 60 Minutes. She is the woman sexually assaulted by Brock Turner. She found her voice and the courage to go public w/her name and story. She was so strong. We watched as a family and even our child who can't really listen to stories about rape stayed and was able to listen because of the positive outcomes and State changes that Chenel's eloquence made manifest. ""Know My Name": Author and sexual assault survivor Chanel Miller's full "60 Minutes" interview For years she was known as "Emily Doe," the young woman sexually assaulted in 2015 by Brock Turner. Now, Chanel Miller is reclaiming her story... Bill Whitaker: When you saw the description of him as a champion swimmer on the Stanford swim team, what did you think of that? Chanel Miller: I didn't understand why it was relevant when you're also reporting that my lower half was completely exposed. That my necklace was wrapped around my neck. That my hair was disheveled. That my bra was only covering one breast and the rest was pulled outta my dress. I don't understand why it is relevant how quickly he can move across a body of water in the context of that article. Bill Whitaker: Did you feel that that description of him as a championship swimmer sort of changed the narrative? Chanel Miller: Yes. They were framing it like he had so much to lose and were not focusing on what had already been lost, for me. By then, she had told her boyfriend and parents. But despite their love and support, she felt alone. Chanel told us she became angry, withdrawn, and deeply depressed. Chanel Miller: I would just sit at work and do nothing. I would stare at the screen, and then I would come home and I wouldn't sleep. And so physically, I began breaking down.... Deputy district attorney Alaleh Kianerci had charged Brock Turner with three felony sex crimes. Rape charges were dropped because there was no evidence of intercourse, which was required in California at the time. But she was convinced she had a strong case because of the two Swedish eyewitnesses.... CHANEL READING STATEMENT: Your damage was concrete; stripped of titles, degrees, enrollment. My damage was internal, unseen. I carry it with me. You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my safety, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today. As he handed down his sentence, Judge Aaron Persky acknowledged Chanel's words, but also cited the defendant's good character, the fact that he'd been drinking, and the impact prison would have on his life. Judge Persky sentenced Turner to six months in jail, a sentence at the low end of state guidelines. With good behavior, he'd walk free in 90 days. Bill Whitaker: Your prosecutor had been asking for six years.... And thousands of emails and letters addressed to "Emily Doe" flooded the courthouse, eventually making their way to her kitchen table. Bill Whitaker: So these started coming in the next day? Chanel Miller: The next day. And it was really like medicine. Reading these was like feeling the shame dissolve, you know bringing all the light in. Bill Whitaker: You heard from a number of survivors? Chanel Miller: So many survivors. And sometimes they would say, "You are the first person I'm telling this to, or this is the first time I've been able to speak in six years." In the wake of the sentencing, there was a national uproar. And after a contentious special election, Judge Aaron Persky became the first judge to be recalled from California's bench in more than 80 years. The case also led to significant changes in California law, setting mandatory prison sentences for anyone convicted of assaulting a person who is unconscious or intoxicated and expanding the definition of rape to include nonconsensual sexual penetration. Alaleh Kianerci: I mean, that's democracy in action. Within 90 days a law was changed, all because of her words and her strength.... After the trial Brock Turner was required to register as a sex offender. His appeal of his felony convictions was unanimously rejected by three judges last year." www.cbsnews.com/news/chanel-miller-full-60-minutes-interview-know-my-name-author-brock-turner-sexual-assault-survivor-2019-09-22/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 13:12:28 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 23, 2019 14:21:25 GMT
I only caught the part you quoted.
What a remarkable young lady, writer and speaker. May she continue to heal knowing she has so many people who support her and the many she has and will help moving forward.
Bravo to California for changing the law in 90 days!!
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Post by Rhondito on Sept 23, 2019 15:13:18 GMT
I didn't see 60 Minutes but they played bits of the interview on the Today show this morning. It was very impactful. I wish somehow Brock Turner could be re-sentenced... her "sentence" will never end.
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Post by teddyw on Sept 23, 2019 16:03:24 GMT
I didn't see 60 Minutes but they played bits of the interview on the Today show this morning. It was very impactful. I wish somehow Brock Turner could be re-sentenced... her "sentence" will never end. Me too! My dd told me she read somewhere he’s back in Dayton where he’s from and having difficulty finding a job.
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Post by malibou on Sept 23, 2019 16:16:31 GMT
I didn't see 60 Minutes but they played bits of the interview on the Today show this morning. It was very impactful. I wish somehow Brock Turner could be re-sentenced... her "sentence" will never end. Me too! My dd told me she read somewhere he’s back in Dayton where he’s from and having difficulty finding a job. I hope this Fucker will forever have difficulty finding a job, finding a girl friend, finding friends. I hope he feels isolated and alone. I hope Assholes like this are not allowed to change their names in an effort to try to move on. I hope his dad also struggles for his comments made at the time. I wish peace and healing and compassion and intimacy and love and bravery and so much more for Chanel and all other victims of this hideous crime.
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Post by lisae on Sept 23, 2019 16:58:26 GMT
We turned it on about 5 minutes in. You could tell from the way she answered the initial questions that the experienced had robbed her of her spirit. Her voice was almost mechanical until they got to the emotion of the trial and the outcome with the unseating of the judge and changes in the law. What she ultimately accomplished and the way other victims could be heard through her was helping her to rebuild her life.
The thing I find most galling about the judges sentence was taking into account that the guy was drunk. Is being drunk a defense?
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Post by *KAS* on Sept 23, 2019 17:05:02 GMT
I did. My first thought was 'omg, I've become my parents. I'm watching 60 minutes on a Sunday night.' But her interview was so compelling I didn't want to change the channel. I'll buy her book as well. She has great strength.
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Post by krcrafts on Sept 23, 2019 18:25:27 GMT
I did. My first thought was 'omg, I've become my parents. I'm watching 60 minutes on a Sunday night.' But her interview was so compelling I didn't want to change the channel. I'll buy her book as well. She has great strength. I ordered her book before the segment was over. Very compelling young woman and I wish only good things for her. Including writing amazing children’s books like she’s dreamed of doing.
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Post by 16joy on Sept 23, 2019 18:57:20 GMT
Shes an extremely strong woman even if she doesn't feel it. Hopefully, she's passed on strength to people who've been assaulted and the ability to proceed through the court system. If a conviction isn't the outcome or the rapist gets a light sentence, the rapist's name is known.
Brock's sentence was light, but he's well known for his actions that night. I find brock Turner's dad revolting too. May we never forget Brock's name. If he changes his name, I hope we find out.
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Post by muggins on Sept 23, 2019 19:03:44 GMT
Me too! My dd told me she read somewhere he’s back in Dayton where he’s from and having difficulty finding a job. I hope this Fucker will forever have difficulty finding a job, finding a girl friend, finding friends. I hope he feels isolated and alone. I hope Assholes like this are not allowed to change their names in an effort to try to move on. I hope his dad also struggles for his comments made at the time. I wish peace and healing and compassion and intimacy and love and bravery and so much more for Chanel and all other victims of this hideous crime. And let’s all hope he never has access to a gun. Because we all know what young, white, isolated, entitled men are capable of when the world rejects them.
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Post by shevy on Sept 23, 2019 19:09:19 GMT
The thing I find most galling about the judges sentence was taking into account that the guy was drunk. Is being drunk a defense? No. It's not an acceptable offense. I believe that judges get into a head space sometimes and see a certain offense in a different light that most other judges. The county I work in has had judges get onto one offense or one specific item in an offense and focus solely on that.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 23, 2019 19:40:26 GMT
I believe, if Brock Turner was a person of color he would have had a much longer sentence. Heck, he’d have had a longer sentence if he were just some college kid. But heaven forbid we give a punishment to a ‘champion athlete’. 🙄
Disclaimer : yeah yeah I’m biased, the person to grabbed me was a ‘star athlete’ ergo no one wanted to admit what he did to me. So I’m quite bitter at the special treatment athletes get & the shit they get away with.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 23, 2019 19:42:32 GMT
Chanel Miller was a poised young woman with a great writing talent who has been seriously wronged but is handling it with grace that I could never muster up. She is still pained by the event & the trial & you can tell. I wish her peace & success.
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Post by nightnurse on Sept 23, 2019 22:52:14 GMT
Chanel Miller was a poised young woman with a great writing talent who has been seriously wronged but is handling it with grace that I could never muster up. She is still pained by the event & the trial & you can tell. I wish her peace & success. You don’t need to muster any grace. You’re amazing just the way you are. Chanel Miller is amazing and inspirational, yes, but so are you. I appreciate what you’ve shared with us, and your insight into the situation. I’m so sorry for what you suffered and so sorry that so many women continue to experience such similar crimes at the hands of “star athletes” and other men and there is still a good ole boys network that makes excuses for them. I hope things are starting to change and I was heartened to read the judge was recalled.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 23, 2019 23:21:16 GMT
I saw it and am really happy she is taking her power back and wrote her book. Brock Turner needs to never be forgotten for what he did. Asshole.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 23:22:37 GMT
Chanel Miller was a poised young woman with a great writing talent who has been seriously wronged but is handling it with grace that I could never muster up. She is still pained by the event & the trial & you can tell. I wish her peace & success. You don’t need to muster any grace. You’re amazing just the way you are. Chanel Miller is amazing and inspirational, yes, but so are you. I appreciate what you’ve shared with us, and your insight into the situation. I’m so sorry for what you suffered and so sorry that so many women continue to experience such similar crimes at the hands of “star athletes” and other men and there is still a good ole boys network that makes excuses for them. I hope things are starting to change and I was heartened to read the judge was recalled. Amen
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Post by Layce on Sept 24, 2019 2:13:01 GMT
I am glad to see she is actually an articulate, intelligent woman. Not necessarily the drunken party girl her circumstances seemed to portray her as after all.
I do remember this story and the disgusting assault and thinking, I mean, holy shit. What kind of out-and-out unabashed alcoholic binge-drinking does it take to hit that kind of critical mass?
She is raising awareness and bringing some positive results out of her circumstances by being brave enough to come forward. Write a book. Speaking engagements. I hope it helps her to heal and to help others as well.
And I hope she is not promoting one's right to go out and deliberately get absolutely shitfaced and avoid all consequences. How many of us could support that agenda?
Drink responsibly.
Layce
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Post by oliquig on Sept 24, 2019 10:31:20 GMT
I am glad to see she is actually an articulate, intelligent woman. Not necessarily the drunken party girl her circumstances seemed to portray her as after all. I do remember this story and the disgusting assault and thinking, I mean, holy shit. What kind of out-and-out unabashed alcoholic binge-drinking does it take to hit that kind of critical mass? She is raising awareness and bringing some positive results out of her circumstances by being brave enough to come forward. Write a book. Speaking engagements. I hope it helps her to heal and to help others as well. And I hope she is not promoting one's right to go out and deliberately get absolutely shitfaced and avoid all consequences. How many of us could support that agenda? Drink responsibly. Layce Rape is not a consequence is drinking. I know many men who have been drunk and would never think of raping a womang. A rapist is a rapist, and I don't care who you are or what substances you've put into your body, it doesn't give anyone the right to rape you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 13:29:01 GMT
"Here again we see her insistence on the sanctity of holding your own when the world wants to sand away your edges, make you a symbol or a target, an anonymous body or a perfect victim. "I encourage you to sit in that garden, but when you do, close your eyes and I'll tell you about the real garden, the sacred place," she writes.
"Ninety feet away from where you sit is a spot, where Brock's knees hit the dirt, where the Swedes tackled him to the ground, yelling, What the f--k are you doing? Do you think this is okay? Put their words on a plaque. Mark that spot, because in my mind I've erected a monument. The place to be remembered is not where I was assaulted, but where he fell, where I was saved, where two men declared stop, no more, not here, not now, not ever." "
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 13:33:08 GMT
Stanford Students Use Mobile AR for Justice and Healing “We are a group of Stanford students who believe in the power of augmented reality (AR) to reshape the way we remember history in public spaces.” By addressing the history and trauma connected to everyday spaces, Dear Visitor challenges the campus sexual assault epidemic with a site-specific AR activation—created by Stanford University students and alumni, Khoi Le (2020), Kyle Qian, and Hope Schroeder (2019). When something of note happens in a public place, we memorialize it with physical reminders: festivals, reenactments, statues, plaques. These acts celebrate or preserve our humanity in the face of whatever glorious or awful events that might have happened and binds them there for future generations. And sometimes we get it wrong. We place something physical, and permanent in the space that encodes the wrong message. This message neither preserves or celebrates any humanity at all, but merely represents one group’s attempt to rewrite history or cover over their mistakes. "We are using augmented reality to put Chanel Miller’s words on Stanford campus." www.torch.app/blog/stanford-students-use-mobile-ar-for-justice-and-healing
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 6:29:34 GMT
Sadly, there are still too many (including judges) who believe rape is at least partly deserved if you get drunk.
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Post by knitnakinva on Oct 12, 2019 12:41:22 GMT
I am glad to see she is actually an articulate, intelligent woman. Not necessarily the drunken party girl her circumstances seemed to portray her as after all. I do remember this story and the disgusting assault and thinking, I mean, holy shit. What kind of out-and-out unabashed alcoholic binge-drinking does it take to hit that kind of critical mass? She is raising awareness and bringing some positive results out of her circumstances by being brave enough to come forward. Write a book. Speaking engagements. I hope it helps her to heal and to help others as well. And I hope she is not promoting one's right to go out and deliberately get absolutely shitfaced and avoid all consequences. How many of us could support that agenda? Drink responsibly. Layce And if she were a “drunken party girl” what he did would be ok?
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Post by gar on Oct 12, 2019 12:52:07 GMT
" Ninety feet away from where you sit is a spot, where Brock's knees hit the dirt, where the Swedes tackled him to the ground, yelling, What the f--k are you doing? Do you think this is okay? Put their words on a plaque. Mark that spot, because in my mind I've erected a monument. The place to be remembered is not where I was assaulted, but where he fell, where I was saved, where two men declared stop, no more, not here, not now, not ever." " Gosh that's powerful And I hope she is not promoting one's right to go out and deliberately get absolutely shitfaced and avoid all consequences. I hope you're not saying what that sounds like.
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Post by Layce on Oct 12, 2019 20:55:55 GMT
What does that sound like?
At first I thought she did not want to take responsibility for her alcohol abuse and its part in this tragedy. So I was more than a little skeptical.
I was wrong and I regret it. None of us should be defined by our worst moments.
She knows. She knows she was portrayed as "intoxicated, unconscious woman" over and over again in all news coverage of this horrifying rape. And she came forward so that we can all see her as the intelligent articulate woman she is. Not to mention beautiful, and brave.
And as for Brock Turner? throwawaythekey (Like *that's* gonna happen.)
Layce
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Oct 12, 2019 21:49:25 GMT
And I hope she is not promoting one's right to go out and deliberately get absolutely shitfaced and avoid all consequences. You mean like Brock Turner did?
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Post by jess on Oct 12, 2019 21:55:02 GMT
What does that sound like? At first I thought she did not want to take responsibility for her alcohol abuse and its part in this tragedy. So I was more than a little skeptical. I was wrong and I regret it. None of us should be defined by our worst moments. She knows. She knows she was portrayed as "intoxicated, unconscious woman" over and over again in all news coverage of this horrifying rape. And she came forward so that we can all see her as the intelligent articulate woman she is. Not to mention beautiful, and brave. And as for Brock Turner? throwawaythekey (Like *that's* gonna happen.) Layce She IS NOT responsible for her rape. Drunk or not. Party girl or not. Unconscious or not. Beautiful or not. Articulate or not. None of that is relevant. She was raped. She did NOTHING to cause it. But YOU are responsible for your victim shaming.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 12, 2019 22:03:14 GMT
What does that sound like? At first I thought she did not want to take responsibility for her alcohol abuse and its part in this tragedy. So I was more than a little skeptical. I was wrong and I regret it. None of us should be defined by our worst moments. She knows. She knows she was portrayed as "intoxicated, unconscious woman" over and over again in all news coverage of this horrifying rape. And she came forward so that we can all see her as the intelligent articulate woman she is. Not to mention beautiful, and brave. And as for Brock Turner? throwawaythekey (Like *that's* gonna happen.) Layce She IS NOT responsible for her rape. Drunk or not. Party girl or not. Unconscious or not. Beautiful or not. Articulate or not. None of that is relevant. She was raped. She did NOTHING to cause it. But YOU are responsible for your victim shaming. i think I get what she was trying to say. The victim as a nameless person was imagined to be a party girl and a drinker and drunk. Some people stopped with that description and never went further. But on 60 minutes people were able to see her as a person, not just a description. For SOME people perception matters.
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Post by Merge on Oct 12, 2019 23:19:23 GMT
i think I get what she was trying to say. The victim as a nameless person was imagined to be a party girl and a drinker and drunk. Some people stopped with that description and never went further. But on 60 minutes people were able to see her as a person, not just a description. For SOME people perception matters. And Christine Blasey Ford gave credible and calm testimony about what happened to her, and some people still assumed she had been drunk and/or was lying. For some people, the woman is always assumed to be lying no matter what she says or how she presents herself.
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Post by busy on Oct 12, 2019 23:41:02 GMT
i think I get what she was trying to say. The victim as a nameless person was imagined to be a party girl and a drinker and drunk. Some people stopped with that description and never went further. But on 60 minutes people were able to see her as a person, not just a description. For SOME people perception matters. I think it’s pretty gross how many people are more bothered by this rape now that they see who the victim is. It shouldn’t matter.
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