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Post by mrssch on Sept 25, 2019 18:00:50 GMT
I have a few collections of the SPECTRUM NOIR pens and I love them! I use them sparingly (usually to change colors of elements).
I purchased 48 COPICS on clearance at Hobby Lobby with intention to sell for extra crafting money.
My question is -- how do the two compare?
Thanks in advance!
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Post by pancakes on Sept 25, 2019 18:36:24 GMT
You might want to do a quick Google on this, because there are tons of reviews and comparisons on these two items. Anecdotally, the artists I know prefer Copics, feel they are higher quality, and that they blend better. And even then, there's the Copic Ciao line (less expensive) and the regular Copic line.
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Post by mrssch on Sept 25, 2019 18:39:27 GMT
You might want to do a quick Google on this, because there are tons of reviews and comparisons on these two items. Anecdotally, the artists I know prefer Copics, feel they are higher quality, and that they blend better. And even then, there's the Copic Ciao line (less expensive) and the regular Copic line. Yes, I looked up on Google. Just wanted opinion of the Peas! Thanks
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Post by missymarlin on Sept 26, 2019 1:15:54 GMT
I much prefer Copics. I did first buy the complete collection of original Spectrum Noir only to find too many dried out almost immediately after purchase. I did not like the color range of the SN markers. To me they were an awful waste of money and the negative experience with the defective product has influenced my opinion and feelings toward the brand ever since. Overall, the SN palette was way to dark for me to be able to shade my work projects so that they looked natural. I find the Copics much easier to work with and have been in love with them since the moment I picked one up and put the tip to paper. They seem to be a much more natural and intuitive tool to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 6:52:13 GMT
It's like comparing the flavor of potatoes and rhubarb. It's that different. Spectrum Noir are student grade Markers. They are good markers. The new formulations are. The old ones should have had a recall, lol. Copics are artist grade level markers. They are made for professional illustrators.
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Post by Linda on Sept 26, 2019 14:52:12 GMT
Spectrum Noir are student grade Markers. They are good markers. Would they be a good choice for my about to turn 13? She wants alcohol markers for Christmas (she's used her friend's) but Copics are quite a bit more
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Post by Embri on Sept 26, 2019 18:00:00 GMT
Copics are an investment, but they pay good dividends. As amayalylac said, they're artist-grade and considered the industry standard for alcohol markers. Quality & consistency are Copic's hallmarks. The markers themselves are expensive but every part on them is replaceable so with long term use they end up being the more affordable option. I bought the bulk of my Copics almost 20 years ago and they're still going strong. They also retain a good amount of their value for resale because of the accessibility to ink refills / new nibs.
Does that make them the right fit for your 13-year old? Well it depends. Are they dedicated to artistic activities, or is this a passing interest? Are they specifically eyeing Copics, or just alcohol markers in general? Have they showed any initiative towards saving or buying markers on their own? There's also middle of the road - some Copics, and supplement less used colours with other brands.
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Post by justjac on Sept 26, 2019 21:48:36 GMT
I have the Spectrum Noirs because I rarely colour (only the occasional card) and for a total beginner the Copics seemed expensive. Also I didn't know where to start with open stock markers. Some of my original SN did dry up, but I'm happy enough with them.
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Post by Linda on Sept 26, 2019 23:47:13 GMT
Does that make them the right fit for your 13-year old? Well it depends. Are they dedicated to artistic activities, or is this a passing interest? Are they specifically eyeing Copics, or just alcohol markers in general? Have they showed any initiative towards saving or buying markers on their own? There's also middle of the road - some Copics, and supplement less used colours with other brands. Thank you. DD is always colouring/drawing/painting but she's a dabbler more than dedicated to a specific medium. I think she's at the exploring options stage (she's getting some acrylic paints for her birthday - her request). She suggested alcohol markers as a Christmas present but didn't specify copics (although she's aware they are the best and most expensive option). I was thinking of a starter set and then if she loves them and uses them, add on in the future but I don't use alcohol markers so I'm a little lost on where to start. We're the sort of family that encourages trying new things and I'm okay if she ends up not being serious about alcohol markers once she owns some and uses them but I'm also looking at the price differential between Copics and Spectrum Noir and thinking we would be able to start her off with more colours if we go the SN route BUT if SN is likely to discourage her....the higher price might be worth it. It's likely to end up as her main gift either way along with some decent paper so I want it to be worth it
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Post by Embri on Sept 27, 2019 5:44:11 GMT
Helpful information! In light of a general artistic interest, I'd suggest picking up a non-Copic alternative to dip your toes into the wonderful world of alcohol colouring. I started with Letraset ProMarkers (currently rebranded as Windsor & Newton Promarker), and they're still serviceable to this day. Even though I moved onto Copics hardcore, I don't regret those early experiences with other brands, including Prismacolor & ShinHan Touch.
A beginner isn't likely to find a huge difference in brands. Look for triads of colours / colour families with one pale, one mid-tone and one dark at least. Brush tips are a nice plus if you can find them; not sure how many non-Copic brands offer 'em. Honestly none of the brands I've tried, even the ones from the dollar store, were bad. Having a good range of colours and practicing technique is more important in the beginning than having the best markers available. In particular pale markers are super-important for blending.
Not having enough range to make the colours look how you want is the biggest stumbling block when it comes to getting started with alcohol markers. A rare case of quantity being more critical than quality. (Not that Spectrum Noirs are bad markers - I haven't tried any myself but they get good reviews from what I've seen.)
Marker paper is a must, as you likely already know!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 6:23:17 GMT
linda Embri beat me to what I was going to write. I do actually recommend Copic's for young artists if I think they have potential to pursue art as a career. A few years ago a friend of mine was going to buy Spectrum Noir for her DD who was the same age your DD. Her daughter wanted to be a fashion illustrator. I told her to go the Copic route because when her daughter went to college she would have the initial investment of those markers. That is exactly what happened. She is studying fashion in college right now. Her parents were able to invest in Copics over the years instead of having to buy them in one lot which schools can require. Many schools that teach fashion illustration prefer Copics. I use Copics for my professional work. They are a wise investment. I do have a variety of other marker's I use for my crafting and coloring book fun. They are just as good. Some of my Dollar Tree art supplies are better than my professional. I really doubt DT will ever get Copic grade marker's in, lol. I am a fantasy fashion illustrator so I prefer my Copic's. If money is not an issue then I would get your DD sets of Copics. You can start off with one set that matches the kind of art she does. Copic's do sell sets of marker's for your particular art interest- fashion, automotive, manga, etc... There are a lot of Pro's to the SN's as they are sold individually like Copics, you can buy refills. That is a huge plus, especially for us crafters that work with alcohol inks. We can have double the investment without a Copic price. Nibs are replaceable like Copics. For the alcohol markers on the market SN are the closest to Copic's because of these pro's. For example- Prismacolor you can't replace nibs, no refills, etc... I almost forgot SN does sell sets of markers for the type of coloring you want to do- fashion, automotive, cartooning, manga, etc... There are professional artists that only use SN and their work is amazing. For what I have seen if your child is going to pursue art in school, especially illustration most schools lean towards Copics. It was Prismacolor for a very long time. I do agree with Embri about buying pale colors. Those are really needed to blend. I hear so many times in the rubber stamp communities why their Copic's are not blending. They are taught buy light, medium, dark range. That is ok advice. Blending will be better with what I like to call the almost invisible range, lol. A lot of times I use light & medium then I use almost invisible to blend. Take a peek at BayleeJae YT channel. She is a good authority on marker's. She has a large pre-teen and teen following. I feel like it's a good channel to help parents decide what kind of art tools to invest in for their teens. Hope that helps.
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Post by rhhdk on Sept 27, 2019 9:13:40 GMT
Go to youtube and look for Jazza spectrum noir He made a review that is pretty good. He did mention the tip was not grear, and they have since changed it. I have been using spectrum noir triblend for 8 months now and is quite happy with them. - I used promarkers before
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Post by mrssch on Oct 3, 2019 18:22:44 GMT
Thanks for all of the input! Very, VERY HELPFUL..
I’m going to RETURN the HL Clearance COPICS— except for colors I really LOVE.
I’m not artistic in the Mixed media, drawing, coloring mode. I think that the spectrum for work quite well for me.
THANKS PEAS! Y’all blow me away with your knowledge and willing to share.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 19:04:18 GMT
I will say that Tuesday Morning is carrying alcohol markers and I have been very happy with them as a newbie. I bought the big set for 20 bucks and then filled in with lighter colors with a couple copics and the Blick brand markers. Works for now.
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Post by Linda on Oct 4, 2019 12:42:45 GMT
Thank you all for the advise - I don't see DD studying art in college or having a career in an art-related field (I mean, she's 13 so hard to be sure but she's leaned towards STEM since she was tiny) - art is for fun (which is awesome -everyone needs a hobby - and I'm happy to encourage that. Sadly money is not unlimited so does need to play a factor in decision making.
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Post by scrapbookmomof4 on Oct 6, 2019 19:01:24 GMT
I just got a few Copics at Hobby Lobby on sale. They are so much better than my old Spectrum Noir ones.
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