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Post by pjaye on Oct 2, 2019 10:57:07 GMT
This does seem more vicious, though I don't think it is though, I think they are claiming it is and doing the "poor me" routine but lots of other Royals have had lots of bad press in the past. They keep going on about how hard done by they are, while living a life of luxury and flying off on holidays in a private jet to hang out with Elton John. There's a lot of people out there who really have it tough and listening to a couple of good looking, healthy millionaires complaining how hard their privileged life is can rub a lot of people up the wrong way....and I think that's what generates some of the negativity they are experiencing. They remind me of someone I work with, she has the exact same job as me, does the same duties, works the same amount of time, but is always complaining about all the problems and unfairness, and how she works harder than anyone else and is less appreciated and as a result, we all bitch about her! We've all met those people in our lives and I think Harry is the royal family's version of this personality type.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 2, 2019 11:11:54 GMT
I think that if they stopped acting so precious and playing with the masses they would have a better relationship with the press. Harry has grown up in the media spotlight but he also has had periods of time when he and William were off limits and they lived relatively off the grid (so to speak). He knows better and she should perhaps accept and follow the guidance that Im sure would have been offered to her. They think they are so important that they can just dismiss a 1000 years of custom and protocol to suit themselves. They put their hand in the public purse and what does the public get in return? A dismissive attitude that puts people off side simply because there is no respect for the position. Harry has talked about walking away from being 'royal' well off he should go as he is just as dismissive as she is and uses the position to his own end. I am a Royalist but these two just rub me the wrong way and imho it is these behaviours that will see the demise of the British Royal house sooner rather than later. I agree with everything you said! I think this is a foolish move on their part - the suit, the new website, and while I think it is good they fight back against bullying (like when the Cambridges sued for the topless pictures of the Duchess on vacation), this feels different. Plus, I thought MM's dad "shared" the letter, it wasn't stolen. I think they should have just finished this tour and road the coattails of its success... just my .02
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Post by craftykitten on Oct 2, 2019 11:17:01 GMT
This does seem more vicious, though I don't think it is though, I think they are claiming it is and doing the "poor me" routine but lots of other Royals have had lots of bad press in the past. They keep going on about how hard done by they are, while living a life of luxury and flying off on holidays in a private jet to hang out with Elton John. There's a lot of people out there who really have it tough and listening to a couple of good looking, healthy millionaires complaining how hard their privileged life is can rub a lot of people up the wrong way....and I think that's what generates some of the negativity they are experiencing. They remind me of someone I work with, she has the exact same job as me, does the same duties, works the same amount of time, but is always complaining about all the problems and unfairness, and how she works harder than anyone else and is less appreciated and as a result, we all bitch about her! We've all met those people in our lives and I think Harry is the royal family's version of this personality type. Hey, I'm a Republican, so I'm the last person to defend the royal family And I agree they've made some decisions that seem quite strange. The press that I've read about Meghan has definitely been different to things I've read about other royals, that's all I'm saying. Of course, that's just my perception, and you might be seeing something different.
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Post by gar on Oct 2, 2019 11:25:03 GMT
Plus, I thought MM's dad "shared" the letter, it wasn't stolen. Even so, they didn't have to publish it. They chose to, just to fuel the fire against her.
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Post by gar on Oct 2, 2019 11:29:14 GMT
craftykitten - good points. This seems more vicious than they were with Kate? Waity Katie is all I remember although there probably was more 🙂 I'm sort of ashamed to admit that I do read the gutter press sometimes (I like to know what the enemy is up to ) and apart from the 'waity Katie' thing, there was all the stuff about her mum being an air stewardess, and then they dragged up some distant relatives of Kate's, theyve been horrible about her brother, her sister, her dress sense, her makeup, her photography...pretty much everything I think. This does seem more vicious, though, I agree. AH ok...I don't remember/didn't see all that. And I haven't really seen the worst of what's happening to Megan now either obviously!
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Post by peasapie on Oct 2, 2019 11:30:00 GMT
I’m thrilled he’s pushing this. Just because someone is a public figure does not mean the media has the right to abuse them. The fact that people think she doesn’t have the right to write a letter to her dad that will remain private - because she’s royal — is astounding to me. Has she no right to privacy? Until someone - thank you, Harry - has the guts to stand up and say enough, the press will continue their relentless harassment.
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Post by gar on Oct 2, 2019 11:31:32 GMT
I think Harry is the royal family's version of this personality type. Why suddenly now though? He's never been accused of being like this, or thought of as like this before.
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Post by schizo319 on Oct 2, 2019 12:07:24 GMT
I don't really keep up with the Royals much (beyond looking at pictures of how cute their kiddos are), but I really like young Royal couples - they seem so much more approachable than the royals of the past. I hope Harry and Megan win their case. I remember quite clearly when his mother died, it was the day that my dad died too, one of the last conversations I had with my dad was him saying through tears how sad it was those boys had to grow up without their mom...
That said, I wish he had left out the specifics about the letter - I wasn't aware that there WAS a letter and now I'm actually curious to read it (and I can't be the only one). I think public figures often jump the gun or present too much information about a situation which spins it into a much bigger deal than was necessary had they been more vague, or thoughtful about what they said. (I say this as our ordinarily excellent local Mayor bungled a Facebook post earlier this week which became a big unnecessary firestorm that made him look pretty bad just as he's starting his re-election campaign).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 12:28:43 GMT
Streisand effect. And oxygen to the flame.
If there's one thing humans can't stand it's being ignored. The more he lets the press know it rankles, the more they'll do it.
The copyright issue w/the contents of the letter will be a good legal case to watch. Other than that, I'd have ignored, ignored, ignored.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 12:36:26 GMT
Plus, I thought MM's dad "shared" the letter, it wasn't stolen. Even so, they didn't have to publish it. They chose to, just to fuel the fire against her. Exactly. They would also have known or should have known that it was against the law to do so. According to a lawyer on the radio this morning " every lawyer would know that"
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 2, 2019 12:39:34 GMT
I wonder if those who think negatively about Harry and Megan have been influenced by the type of media that Harry and Megan are trying to fight against.
I don't follow British media so don't know exactly what has been said. But it seems like they take things that are similar to National Enquirer seriously and believe what is in that trash. I don't think anyone deserves that, despite my feelings that the whole idea of having a "royal family" is antiquated and ridiculous, especially if they don't have any real role in the government. Not only do the press need to be held responsible, but people who read the fake articles are responsible as well. We have the NE here, but does anyone actually pay attention to it?
It also seems that there is a double standard between Megan and Kate. Hmmmm...wonder why that is? I think it is because she is seen as an outsider--partly because of race, partly because she is not British.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Oct 2, 2019 12:57:12 GMT
I think someone above said that it's impossible to separate the woman of color bias from the not British (and specifically American) bias. I think these two combine to make it much worse than the hatefulness that the Duchess of Cambridge had to deal with. As long as we have racist, classist people in the world it's not going to end. I think they would be better served not giving the haters a response. I don't think it's going to stop, especially in this day and age of keyboard warriors and trolls. They are privileged enough to not have to deal with the hoi polloi. It's not as if they have to deal with people bullying them on public transport or at a job. I also agree the letter to the father was going to go public regardless of laws. It was stupidly naive to think it would stay private.
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Post by gar on Oct 2, 2019 13:02:58 GMT
It also seems that there is a double standard between Megan and Kate. Hmmmm...wonder why that is? As craftykitten pointed out earlier, Kate did have hard time initially although perhaps not as viciously as Meghan is having. I do think there is an element of her being an 'outsider'...kind of 'how dare she come into 'our' royal family then try to change things/change Harry/behave or do things differently. Sadly there's probably a small racist element too among some.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 13:05:13 GMT
Streisand effect. And oxygen to the flame. If there's one thing humans can't stand it's being ignored. The more he lets the press know it rankles, the more they'll do it. The copyright issue w/the contents of the letter will be a good legal case to watch. Other than that, I'd have ignored, ignored, ignored. Not really if you read the copyright law in the UK. I don't think they have a leg to stand on. What would be interesting is hearing their defence in breaking that law. There is no copyright protection for ideas or concepts as such.
It is only when those ideas become available in physical form i.e. as a literary work, that they are afforded copyright protection.
Copyright protection applies to all original literary works.
The term literary work means any work, other than a dramatic or musical work which is written, spoken or sung, and includes tables or compilations and computer programs and letters.
The author of the letter is normally the first owner of copyright in their literary work.
Copyright lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years.
When the author of the letter dies, copyright (like other forms of property) pass with the author’s estate to his/her heirs and beneficiaries.
As letters are normally sent by the author to a third party, the owner of the physical object i.e. the letter, may not be the copyright owner.
Where the owner of the letter is not the copyright owner, they must first seek permission from the copyright owner before reproducing the letter. However, copyright does not prevent the recipient of a letter from showing the original letter to another third party as this does not involve reproduction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 13:16:45 GMT
I think someone above said that it's impossible to separate the woman of color bias from the not British (and specifically American) bias. I think these two combine to make it much worse than the hatefulness that the Duchess of Cambridge had to deal with. As long as we have racist, classist people in the world it's not going to end. I think they would be better served not giving the haters a response. I don't think it's going to stop, especially in this day and age of keyboard warriors and trolls. They are privileged enough to not have to deal with the hoi polloi. It's not as if they have to deal with people bullying them on public transport or at a job. I also agree the letter to the father was going to go public regardless of laws. It was stupidly naive to think it would stay private. It's not just the British media though, it's international. It just happens that the Mail has crossed a line to what has been going on, not just in published media be it on line or otherwise but social media as well. Although it's impossible to control social media it still gets the fodder from the published/on line "legitimate" media that fuels the flames.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 2, 2019 13:17:27 GMT
Why suddenly now though? He's never been accused of being like this, or thought of as like this before. I personally don't think it is new. Don't you think we've all been aware of his personality for a long time? He's always had that snotty rebellious side and he got a pass for it as a "troubled teen" but it's wearing thin now. He's been a brat and thought he could do whatever he wants for a long time (smoking pot as a teen, dressing as a Nazi, playing 'strip pool' and romping around naked in hotel rooms etc) and the royals played the "his mother got killed by the paparazzi" card whenever he got caught and mostly the press backed off. I think he was a spoilt child and then because everyone felt so sorry for him he was pretty much left alone by the media for a long time. But now, he's older, married and has a child, he's not getting the sympathetic "lovable larrikin" edit any more, he's being held to account for some of his actions and it's new to him and he doesn't like it and now that he gets to manage his own affairs we are seeing more of his real personality. I think the press and the public have expected him to grow up and mature into his role like William has, but he hasn't.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 2, 2019 13:21:57 GMT
I’m having trouble finding exactly what they’re suing for. As in, what are the specific allegations? What specifically are they claiming the paper printed that was untrue?
Right now I’m inclined to agree with pjaye . Harry comes across as a whiney ass man child to me and Meg is a little stupid for putting something in writing and sending it out of her control if she didn’t want it published. Once she sends a letter out into the world it doesn’t belong to her and it’s not hers to own or control. Bit ridiculous if that’s actually unlawful. They're claiming misuse of private information by the Mail on Sunday, infringement of copyright and breach of the Data Protection Act 2018. It was only part of the letter that was printed apparently, the part was taken out of context to fit in with their " story" I think their action at this time is over the straw that broke the camels back so to speak, they've had enough. and I really don't blame them. Thank you. I was unable to find and read the lawsuit document like I would be able to here in the US. The the lying/false statement allegations were only in Harry’s statement and not in the actual lawsuit. If the only thing they’re suing over is publication of this letter, I’m even less on their side than I was before.
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Post by Merge on Oct 2, 2019 13:24:53 GMT
I’m in the camp that if there wasn’t a market for this stuff, it wouldn’t continue to happen.
Why the obsession with celebrity gossip? I don’t get it.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 2, 2019 13:32:46 GMT
Has she no right to privacy? Obviously her father doesn't think so, he was the one who showed the letter to the press, he's the one who shows them her text messages on his phone, he's the one who goes on TV and blabs about phone calls he has with her & Harry. If anyone is "breeching her privacy" first in line for their anger & condemnation needs to be her own family.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 13:37:11 GMT
They're claiming misuse of private information by the Mail on Sunday, infringement of copyright and breach of the Data Protection Act 2018. It was only part of the letter that was printed apparently, the part was taken out of context to fit in with their " story" I think their action at this time is over the straw that broke the camels back so to speak, they've had enough. and I really don't blame them. Thank you. I was unable to find and read the lawsuit document like I would be able to here in the US. The the lying/false statement allegations were only in Harry’s statement and not in the actual lawsuit. If the only thing they’re suing over is publication of this letter, I’m even less on their side than I was before. I don't think the statement was just to cover this lawsuit. It was more to explain why they have now been forced to take action after putting up with the negativity and scrutiny of the Duchess over a long period of time and it seems to be getting worse and this publication was the last straw.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 13:37:47 GMT
Streisand effect. And oxygen to the flame. If there's one thing humans can't stand it's being ignored. The more he lets the press know it rankles, the more they'll do it. The copyright issue w/the contents of the letter will be a good legal case to watch. Other than that, I'd have ignored, ignored, ignored. Not really if you read the copyright law in the UK. I don't think they have a leg to stand on. What would be interesting is hearing their defence in breaking that law. There is no copyright protection for ideas or concepts as such.
It is only when those ideas become available in physical form i.e. as a literary work, that they are afforded copyright protection.
Copyright protection applies to all original literary works.
The term literary work means any work, other than a dramatic or musical work which is written, spoken or sung, and includes tables or compilations and computer programs and letters.
The author of the letter is normally the first owner of copyright in their literary work.
Copyright lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years.
When the author of the letter dies, copyright (like other forms of property) pass with the author’s estate to his/her heirs and beneficiaries.
As letters are normally sent by the author to a third party, the owner of the physical object i.e. the letter, may not be the copyright owner.
Where the owner of the letter is not the copyright owner, they must first seek permission from the copyright owner before reproducing the letter. However, copyright does not prevent the recipient of a letter from showing the original letter to another third party as this does not involve reproduction.
IS80617 linkI still think it will be interesting to watch. There may be twists and turns in that she sent it to a non-British recipient? I'm sure the Mail is perfectly aware of the law, so they likely have some defense to offer. I'll be watching to see how it plays out.
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Post by prapea on Oct 2, 2019 13:40:40 GMT
pjaye and @gar...I understand what you are saying. I am coming to this from a kid who lost his mother and not from an adult who is royal. I think he had and still has a tough time with his mom’s death. And this is probably his way of getting his frustration out. Who knows, I am just making assumptions. Logic and reason at times go out the window when you are still grieving and there is no end date for grief.
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Post by pierkiss on Oct 2, 2019 13:48:47 GMT
I don’t understand why we (general we) think that he should just bend over backwards for the press or “play nice”. He can hate press all he wants. I would. Because he's a royal, because of his public role. If he wants to have the press attention for his fantastic work with charities etc then we like to have a little in return. But why isn’t it enough to just see them in an official capacity? Why is there a demand for behind the scenes looks into their personal lives?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 13:50:53 GMT
Not really if you read the copyright law in the UK. I don't think they have a leg to stand on. What would be interesting is hearing their defence in breaking that law. There is no copyright protection for ideas or concepts as such.
It is only when those ideas become available in physical form i.e. as a literary work, that they are afforded copyright protection.
Copyright protection applies to all original literary works.
The term literary work means any work, other than a dramatic or musical work which is written, spoken or sung, and includes tables or compilations and computer programs and letters.
The author of the letter is normally the first owner of copyright in their literary work.
Copyright lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years.
When the author of the letter dies, copyright (like other forms of property) pass with the author’s estate to his/her heirs and beneficiaries.
As letters are normally sent by the author to a third party, the owner of the physical object i.e. the letter, may not be the copyright owner.
Where the owner of the letter is not the copyright owner, they must first seek permission from the copyright owner before reproducing the letter. However, copyright does not prevent the recipient of a letter from showing the original letter to another third party as this does not involve reproduction.
IS80617 linkI still think it will be interesting to watch. There may be twists and turns in that she sent it to a non-British recipient? I'm sure the Mail is perfectly aware of the law, so they likely have some defense to offer. I'll be watching to see how it plays out. The certainly should be aware as they've been sued before, lost in the courts and also lost in the appeal court for something very similar to what they did to Prince Charles some years ago.......they just never learn! I doesn't matter who the recipient was, the law still stands,she is the owner of that copyright. She's suing a British Corporation under British Law in a British Court.
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Post by Leone on Oct 2, 2019 14:06:28 GMT
Harry has always been one of my favorites. The two of them are causing a lot of criticism for themselves with their lifestyle not coinciding with their public statements. I think the lawsuit is about a letter she sent to her dad being revealed. Her dad has jumped into the spotlight anytime a reporter will talk with him. So does her half sister who lives about 45 minutes from me in a dumpy house. Harry has every reason to hate the press but he steps into the limelight regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 14:07:02 GMT
pjaye and @gar...I understand what you are saying. I am coming to this from a kid who lost his mother and not from an adult who is royal. I think he had and still has a tough time with his mom’s death. And this is probably his way of getting his frustration out. Who knows, I am just making assumptions. Logic and reason at times go out the window when you are still grieving and there is no end date for grief. He has had a tough time and it's only recently he's opened up about it and made a massive difference in getting men to seek help when suffering and not to think because they are male they should be able to cope. He's done the same thing with the military and PTSD Not only has his suffering been about his mother's death but all the previous years when she and Prince Charles split up and he had to listen to all the accusations, often without foundation about his mother. Having your parents go through a divorce when you are that young is bad enough for anyone without the world media discussing anything and everything and trashing your mother because you just happened to have been born into a well known family.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 2, 2019 14:07:36 GMT
I had no idea a letter had been published. As someone with significant family baggage and drama, I think Meghan is in for a lifetime of pain if she continues to feed the drama.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 2, 2019 14:07:58 GMT
While I understand and totally agree with their side of the issue, it really comes down to the public to NOT CARE what they do or say. If they are shown on the news, fine, I may stop and listen/read but to be honest, I don't care what they do with their lives and people who put them up on a pedestal and hang on their every move are really quite sorry. People need to go and live their lives and stop living through others. If they stop caring, eventually the press will back off because it doesn't sell.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 14:33:26 GMT
While I understand and totally agree with their side of the issue, it really comes down to the public to NOT CARE what they do or say. If they are shown on the news, fine, I may stop and listen/read but to be honest, I don't care what they do with their lives and people who put them up on a pedestal and hang on their every move are really quite sorry. People need to go and live their lives and stop living through others. If they stop caring, eventually the press will back off because it doesn't sell. I agree w/your sentiment, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Exhibit A: Instagram Influencers. Whose entire business model is predicated on the insatiable appetite of people to know "what nail polish is that, where did you get your dress/vase/mirror?" People are naturally curious about other people ESPECIALLY those who have the spotlight. Curiosity is a good thing (science) and a terrible thing (gossip, nosy neighbors, Daily Mail). It's like fire. Is it good or bad? I don't know, tell me the specific circumstances.
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Post by gillyp on Oct 2, 2019 14:40:57 GMT
While I understand and totally agree with their side of the issue, it really comes down to the public to NOT CARE what they do or say. If they are shown on the news, fine, I may stop and listen/read but to be honest, I don't care what they do with their lives and people who put them up on a pedestal and hang on their every move are really quite sorry. People need to go and live their lives and stop living through others. If they stop caring, eventually the press will back off because it doesn't sell. I doubt you will ever stop the public from showing an interest and gossiping about the Royals. There are some who truly couldn’t care less but there are many, like a woman I know, who buys any publication with them in and travels around the country to stand outside the gates of whatever residence they happen to be in just in the hope of a glimpse. Then there are others, like me, who are happy we have a Royal Family, will read articles about them in doctors waiting rooms or on newsstands, will watch ceremonial occasions and that’s about it. Prince Charles holidays about 20 miles from here every year. I’ve never seen him nor gone out of my way to try and see him. The other month he was about a 15 minute walk from my work, performing some function but I didn’t bother going to that, he was doing his job of work and I was doing mine! However, I don’t like to see them hounded and vilified in the press and I will be taking an interest in the court case just as I take an interest when photos of the children are published or there are official announcements.
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