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Post by mimi3566 on Nov 4, 2019 16:08:35 GMT
It may not be rooted in 'science' but my everyday observation speaks volumes to me....coincidence...maybe, but they are the facts that I've observed year after year working with the same people for 26 years. Well, it’s a great thing they are all still alive 26 years later. You don’t know how many of them may have died from the flu and/or its complications if they didn’t get flu shots. The thing with anecdotal evidence is that you can simply make up a story to support anything you want to believe about it. Your co-workers are more likely to be alive today because of those flu shots than becoming sick because of them... .this may be true or it could be because of their lifestyle choices. Spending 8+ hours a day, 5 days per week for 26 years observing them bringing in fast food bags for breakfast, lunch snacks almost everyday. but that doesn’t fit your narrative, so you made up another explanation. Now, does making poor lifestyle choices mean they will die of the flu....no, but it sure doesn't help their overall health and surely compromises their immune system making them much more susceptible to fighting off anything they're potentially exposed to.
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Post by elaine on Nov 4, 2019 16:35:01 GMT
Well, it’s a great thing they are all still alive 26 years later. You don’t know how many of them may have died from the flu and/or its complications if they didn’t get flu shots. The thing with anecdotal evidence is that you can simply make up a story to support anything you want to believe about it. Your co-workers are more likely to be alive today because of those flu shots than becoming sick because of them... .this may be true or it could be because of their lifestyle choices. Spending 8+ hours a day, 5 days per week for 26 years observing them bringing in fast food bags for breakfast, lunch snacks almost everyday. but that doesn’t fit your narrative, so you made up another explanation. Now, does making poor lifestyle choices mean they will die of the flu....no, but it sure doesn't help their overall health and surely compromises their immune system making them much more susceptible to fighting off anything they're potentially exposed to. Yeah, none of what you just said about your co-workers negates the proven facts of the efficacy of flu shots and herd immunity. In fact, one might make a case for the flu shot given what you just said. You do understand that, don’t you?
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 4, 2019 16:35:45 GMT
The flu doesn't give a shit about your good diet and anecdotal evidence.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 4, 2019 16:45:27 GMT
I have an honest question...remember when they first started giving the up the nose flu shot?? Was that a live virus??
I have been very very fortunate to have not ever gotten the flu--was tested once but was negative--and up until this year never got the shot. My biggest "winter" illnesses were/are sinus and bronchitis infections that have seem to have 'disappeared' with the pneumonia shot. However--decided to get the shot this year because of the reasons I stated in another post.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 4, 2019 17:11:38 GMT
I have an honest question...remember when they first started giving the up the nose flu shot?? Was that a live virus?? I have been very very fortunate to have not ever gotten the flu--was tested once but was negative--and up until this year never got the shot. My biggest "winter" illnesses were/are sinus and bronchitis infections that have seem to have 'disappeared' with the pneumonia shot. However--decided to get the shot this year because of the reasons I stated in another post. Yes, the nasal vaccine contains a live (attenuated, cold adapted) virus.
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Post by elaine on Nov 4, 2019 17:14:43 GMT
I have an honest question...remember when they first started giving the up the nose flu shot?? Was that a live virus?? I have been very very fortunate to have not ever gotten the flu--was tested once but was negative--and up until this year never got the shot. My biggest "winter" illnesses were/are sinus and bronchitis infections that have seem to have 'disappeared' with the pneumonia shot. However--decided to get the shot this year because of the reasons I stated in another post. The nasal flu mist is live virus. That is why there are age restrictions on it. Once you hit 50, you can no longer get it.
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Post by Tammiem2pnc1 on Nov 4, 2019 17:36:50 GMT
I have to get the flu shot. I have a lowered immune system because of my biweekly infusions.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 4, 2019 17:54:47 GMT
Yes, the nasal vaccine contains a live (attenuated, cold adapted) virus. Did I read somewhere that they no longer give the nasal one???
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Post by AmandaA on Nov 4, 2019 18:51:20 GMT
Yes, the nasal vaccine contains a live (attenuated, cold adapted) virus. Did I read somewhere that they no longer give the nasal one??? After poor performance against H1N1, it was not used here for two flu seasons prior to returning for last year’s flu season. It is back again this year but in limited supply. I have not seen it advertised in my area nor has it been available at our PCP offices. And interestingly enough, in the article I read about the supply of FluMist it was noted that there is not expected to be overall shortage of total flu vaccine for Americans. So there is no need to forego vaccination in order to leave vaccine for someone else as some people have suggested as a reason for skipping it. “Based on manufacturer projections, we believe that the total supply of flu vaccine for the 2019-2020 season should be sufficient to meet demand for seasonal flu vaccination in the United States,” CDC spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund said via email.”
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Post by smartypants71 on Nov 4, 2019 19:05:11 GMT
I have T1 Diabetes so I have to get the flu shot every year. I actually did get the flu last year right after Christmas, but I recovered very quickly due to being vaccinated. Others in my family who didn't get the flu shot took twice as long to recover.
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Post by elaine on Nov 4, 2019 20:46:20 GMT
Did I read somewhere that they no longer give the nasal one??? After poor performance against H1N1, it was not used here for two flu seasons prior to returning for last year’s flu season. It is back again this year but in limited supply. I have not seen it advertised in my area nor has it been available at our PCP offices. And interestingly enough, in the article I read about the supply of FluMist it was noted that there is not expected to be overall shortage of total flu vaccine for Americans. So there is no need to forego vaccination in order to leave vaccine for someone else as some people have suggested as a reason for skipping it. “Based on manufacturer projections, we believe that the total supply of flu vaccine for the 2019-2020 season should be sufficient to meet demand for seasonal flu vaccination in the United States,” CDC spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund said via email.” I think that while there is plenty of flu vaccine for all this year, the senior strength one - being somewhat newer - is running out in some pharmacies. There are waiting lists for that one, though, because more will come in, although they recommend going ahead and getting the regular strength flu vaccine if you are over 65 and the senior strength isn’t available.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 5, 2019 3:29:55 GMT
after all this talk, we just got a message from my son's girlfriend that they were at urgent care and my son has the flu. fortunately no pneumonia. hopefully they will give him some tamiflu or something like that. he just got on his girlfriend's health plan.. she works for well known big tech company and he is a bartender.
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Post by elaine on Nov 5, 2019 4:08:45 GMT
after all this talk, we just got a message from my son's girlfriend that they were at urgent care and my son has the flu. fortunately no pneumonia. hopefully they will give him some tamiflu or something like that. he just on his girlfriend's health plan.. she works for well known big tech company and he is a bartender. Oh no! I hope he heals quickly. I’m sure they told him to keep an eye on his breathing, because pneumonia can still set in even if he doesn’t have it now.
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Post by chrissyc72 on Nov 5, 2019 4:17:26 GMT
Hope he heals quickly!!!!
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Post by PLurker on Nov 5, 2019 6:25:41 GMT
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Post by jmd74 on Nov 5, 2019 13:39:52 GMT
Every year!
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Post by jemmls4 on Nov 5, 2019 22:56:30 GMT
And with the advances in medicine and more people living with less than stellar medical histories, a really bad flu could be devastating. I disagree with this way of thinking.. Years ago we weren't as knowledgeable about how to prevent the spread of germs outside of vaccinations. What I mean is--living conditions in the 1800's and early 1900's were LESS than sanitary. We now know more about how germs spread etc. Our vaccines are better etc. So spreading fear about "how this could happen again" is ridiculous. Will people still die from the flu even now-of course they will and some will die even IF vaccinated. I worked in healthcare for quite some time. It was hard to see people come in with flu and get so very sick. As an example...in a short span of time two young men in their 20s came in with chicken pox. Both ended up in ICU because chicken pox went into their lungs. One was on ECMO (heart/lung bypass machine). Had to be manned by percussionist 24/7. Chews up your platelets. Dude got over 50 units of blood. There was no record of anyone getting that much blood and surviving. He was on it for two weeks. He was lucky; he walked out of hospital. The other young man died. So yeah, even though we know more about germs it doesn’t mean we’re immune.
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 5, 2019 23:44:11 GMT
Oh, fuck you and your self-absorbed ignorance. I'm tired of 'being nice' to people with differing views. Vaccinations and herd immunity are literally the difference between life and death for some of us. Really....this statement seems pretty self-absorbed to me. Not everyone is going to have the same views as everyone nor should they and if you are going to turn your back and make a conscious decision to NOT be nice to those that have differing views than yours.... then that's pretty self-absorbed and says a lot about you and not me. When “your views” put immune compromised people like my husband in actual danger, then it goes beyond a mere difference of opinions. As for the flu shot, yes, I’m getting mine this weekend.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 6, 2019 0:06:30 GMT
I know they only last a year, but the serum must do something to your immune system, so I figure I’ve got a 50 year build up of flu-fighting power. LOL I think there is some carry over. Each year's shot is a bit different Costco has it, but it’s not covered by Medicare or my secondary insurance. I think that’s why so many people don’t get it. It’s almost $50 . Check again. Medicare covers mine and has as long as I have had Medicare. I just walked into Wegmans and got my high dose flu shot! took me long to sign the 'receipt' then get the shot!
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Post by compeateropeator on Nov 6, 2019 0:29:38 GMT
Never had it yet, but you could easily - I would be knocking on wood. hahaha.
I have worked for 2 companies for for over 33 years and can count on one hand the combined sick days I have taken for both companies. I ALWAYS get my flu shot and I am NOT always sick, so i guess it can go a variety of ways. ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/shrug.gif)
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 9, 2019 18:36:37 GMT
I disagree with this way of thinking.. Years ago we weren't as knowledgeable about how to prevent the spread of germs outside of vaccinations. What I mean is--living conditions in the 1800's and early 1900's were LESS than sanitary. We now know more about how germs spread etc. Our vaccines are better etc. So spreading fear about "how this could happen again" is ridiculous. Will people still die from the flu even now-of course they will and some will die even IF vaccinated. I worked in healthcare for quite some time. It was hard to see people come in with flu and get so very sick. As an example...in a short span of time two young men in their 20s came in with chicken pox. Both ended up in ICU because chicken pox went into their lungs. One was on ECMO (heart/lung bypass machine). Had to be manned by percussionist 24/7. Chews up your platelets. Dude got over 50 units of blood. There was no record of anyone getting that much blood and surviving. He was on it for two weeks. He was lucky; he walked out of hospital. The other young man died. So yeah, even though we know more about germs it doesn’t mean we’re immune. I think it autocorrected your typing of perfusionist. In kind of a funny way, but a sad situation.
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Post by jemmls4 on Nov 10, 2019 3:34:14 GMT
Yep. Damn that autocorrect!
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Post by candygurl on Nov 10, 2019 14:03:11 GMT
Always gotten it because my sister had a chronic illness, or I was around my grandma or I I was also around babies. So, yes every year I do!
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 13, 2019 22:37:46 GMT
Well, I did it. I got my flu shot. I haven't had one in over 20 years and I haven't had the flu(ish) or even a cold for almost as many years. I thought working with kids probably built up my immunity to all kinds of things. I barely felt it, it was free (insurance paid), and I got a 10% of my groceries on my next visit. Will save that coupon for Thanksgiving week.
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