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Post by KelleeM on Nov 7, 2019 15:13:51 GMT
I’m curious how much paid time off your employer provides in case of a family death. Is it the same for all family members?
Currently we receive up to 5 days for a parent, child, step child, brother, sister, BIL, SIL, grandparent, or spouse.
Having recently lost my husband I’m struggling emotionally. I have good days and horrible days. I have strong feelings about paid bereavement leave for a spouse’s death. At this point I’d like to take unpaid days off but it isn’t an option unless I go on short term disability. I’m not disabled just grieving...and sleeping really poorly.
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Post by Anita on Nov 7, 2019 15:15:20 GMT
My last job provided five days, and you didn't have to take them all at once as long as it was within a 30-day time period. My new job technically has unlimited PTO so that would be up to the person, I suppose as long as they didn't abuse it.
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 7, 2019 15:18:05 GMT
We get 3 days. I can’t imagine that 5 days is even remotely enough to deal with losing an immediate family member. I am sorry you can’t even take unpaid time off, that seems unreasonable.
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Post by smartypants71 on Nov 7, 2019 15:20:01 GMT
I think we get 3-5 days. I can't imagine that is nearly enough to grieve the loss of DH. Do you have short term disability? I would look into that to see if it's possible to use that.
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Post by GiantsFan on Nov 7, 2019 15:20:21 GMT
I'm so sorry, I can only imagine the struggle you're going through.
At my last employer, bereavement leave was three days paid. However you could use PTO to supplement that. One employee who lost their spouse unexpectedly did take three months off un-paid.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 7, 2019 15:21:09 GMT
I doubt many businesses really give adequate time. Have you talked with your employer? Maybe there’s a short term option for fewer days or some work from home? You are still in such a fresh stage of grief. It’s very hard.
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Post by christinec68 on Nov 7, 2019 15:24:09 GMT
We get three days for a spouse, child, parent or sibling. If someone needs more time they can use PTO or take unpaid days.
I am sorry you are going through this and can't take time you need. ((hugs))
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Post by jubejubes on Nov 7, 2019 15:26:30 GMT
I’m curious how much paid time off your employer provides in case of a family death. Is it the same for all family members? Currently we receive up to 5 days for a parent, child, step child, brother, sister, BIL, SIL, grandparent, or spouse. Having recently lost my husband I’m struggling emotionally. I have good days and horrible days. I have strong feelings about paid bereavement leave for a spouse’s death. At this point I’d like to take unpaid days off but it isn’t an option unless I go on short term disability. I’m not disabled just grieving...and sleeping really poorly. Please see your doctor and get short term disability. Yes, you are disabled. You are suffering from a condition called "complicated grief". You have had your ex-husband, your husband and one or two other close family members pass in a short period of time. The simple fact that BOTH your ex and current husband died within a short time period is one of the markers for complicated grief. This is a mental disability. Do not let anyone tell you that you are NOT disabled, because you are disabled. You are un-able to concentrate, sleep, focus and are in deep grief. Please see your doctor and get your short term disability. Trust me, deal with it at the beginning, because it isn't going to get any better down the road. (((hugs)))
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Post by bianca42 on Nov 7, 2019 15:26:34 GMT
We don't get any bereavement days. We get 7 days of personal time that can be used for anything, including bereavement. However, they are pretty flexible and have allowed people to take extra if needed. I know sometimes other people have donated paid time and borrowing against next year is an option.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Nov 7, 2019 15:28:24 GMT
I’m sorry you’re having to deal with this on top of everything else. Does this fall under FMLA? I assume you’re working with your HR department already.
We get 3 days but if there was a loss of spouse I think we’d be allowed as much time as we need, using all of our PTO first then the rest unpaid.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 7, 2019 15:28:40 GMT
Up to 5 days, but it comes out of our sick leave
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Post by littlemama on Nov 7, 2019 15:33:08 GMT
Zero days. We also do not get Jury pay. Any of that comes from our PTO days.
If your employer is large enough, look into FMLA. Emotional health counts as health for the purposes of FMLA
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Post by bethany102399 on Nov 7, 2019 15:38:08 GMT
We get 3 days for bereavement. I took a week when mom died, billed it as FML which comes out of our sick time. DH got squat, they don't consider an In law to be part of their bereavement. He had to take vacation, which means he'll work through the holidays.
As others have said, please speak with your employer. See if you can get some time to heal. Have you looked into grief groups? Grief share is one, and check in with your local hospice group they may offer one as well. I found even meeting once a week to be invaluable.
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Post by ashley on Nov 7, 2019 15:38:46 GMT
Please use short term disability. This definitely counts.
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Post by hutchfan on Nov 7, 2019 15:45:59 GMT
Sending you hugs.
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Post by compeateropeator on Nov 7, 2019 15:46:43 GMT
I believe that we get 3 days and then you would have to use your CTO time. I am not sure if it would fall under our family/medical leave? I will say that I believe that my employer (a hospital/health network) is very good about allowing people to take time when needed, and would work with individuals to find away for them to take the time they need.
I get how you are feeling and I am so sorry. I am going through something similar, but not a spouse. My best friend/soul sister of over 32 years unexpectedly passed away recently. I talked to or saw her every day for 32 years, never did it go more than a couple of days (and that was only if someone was away). It has now been 40 days since I have seen or talked to her, how can that be? I have a taken a day, and then 3 vacation days that I requested last year for a Halloween trip with her. I was going to cancel them but decided I needed a few days off. While it was nice to not have to deal with work it really didn’t make anything better. Sorry to ramble.
I hope you find a way to take the time you need. I wish you peace and happiness again...eventually...although I understand how that does not seem even remotely possible now and I totally agree that I don’t understand how it ever can or will. I am so sorry.
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Post by sueg on Nov 7, 2019 15:47:48 GMT
When my mum died, I was a teacher, as was my dad and a cousin. All of us got the same bereavement leave - 3 days! Luckily, it was one week before a school break, so I managed the last 3 days of term, then had 2 weeks vacation. Dad had loads of accrued sick leave, and mum’s doctor was happy to write him off sick for as long as needed, up to the limit allowed by the Education Dept before you had to see one of their doctors. I didn’t have as much leave banked, but I had enough to take a few days here and there as I needed them.
I can’t imagine HAVING to go back to work only 5 days after losing a spouse. It’s one thing if you need to work to keep your brain from going to bad places, but another when you just want to curl up in a corner.
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Post by moodyblue on Nov 7, 2019 15:50:15 GMT
We get varying amounts depending on the relationship - like one day for someone unrelated to us, and five for closer family members.
My husband died January 24. I used sick days after I had used the five bereavement days and did not go back until the middle of March, after spring break. I had been home with him from Thanksgiving when we learned he had a met to the brain. I was lucky to have hundreds of sick days available and school administration who believe family comes first.
I postponed my return by a couple weeks. Instead of going back the week before break, which the superintendent had suggested (so I’d come back for a week and then have a week off - to ease into it) because I was starting some grief support at the beginning of March and didn’t think I could handle that on top of returning to work. Having a schedule was good in some ways, but I was not operating at full capacity. I’m still not in some ways, although I’m doing much better at school now.
Sleep is a huge issue and I’m not surprised that you are struggling.
I was absolutely exhausted all the time when I did return, to the point that I wasn’t sure I could force myself out of bed some days. And active grieving can be as strenuous as a physical workout. Crying is also dehydrating.
Beyond that, grief is an emotional roller coaster. There are triggers everywhere and you don’t know when some little comment, a glimpse of something or a flashback is going to take you instantly into tears or full out sobbing. I am nine months out and still struggle with feeling like this can't be real, that Vince cannot be gone and gone forever.
You are still in super early grief. You are not okay and it’s okay to NOT be okay. Some people find that they can’t go back right away and others find they are helped by having that routine and some part of their old life. Truth is, everything changes when you lose a spouse - the present AND the future. You have to build a new life around the edges of the gaping hole at the center of your world. Just surviving right now is a success. Getting up and getting dressed may be your big accomplishment for the day - and sometimes that’s not even possible.
Have you talked with your superior? Are there any options for you? Working from home, or using sick days when you are having a horrible day? Is short term disability an option - this kind of trauma is debilitating to many people.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 7, 2019 15:58:24 GMT
Where I was working, for immediate family it was 5 days paid. In-laws 3 maybe. When my son died my doctor put me out for a month, I used sick time, then I went back to work. A month later was his birthday, I was dressed ready to walk out the door and lost it, called off. KelleeM please talk to you doctor and get the time you need. Take the short term disability or FMLA. There are going to be days that you just can't go to work, so FMLA might be better! ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Nov 7, 2019 16:00:54 GMT
Please use short term disability. This definitely counts.
I agree - with doctor involvement saying that it counts. That is the key to any of this. Short term disability is for any medical issue that is making it hard for you to work, and getting your head straight after a big loss counts. FWIW, this is where having a baby usually falls, and you aren't "disabled" then either.
Bereavement leave is no-questions-asked. Someone dies, you get time. Anything further would depend on your personal needs as determined by your medical professional. FMLA, Short Term Disability, leave or reduced hours under ADAAA, unpaid (and unprotected) time off, etc., should be options, as applicable (FMLA has restrictions based on company size, amount you can use per year, etc., and STD may need to be purchased as part of your benefits package, etc.). It is all complicated.
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Post by paget on Nov 7, 2019 16:02:42 GMT
I believe we get 2 days. But I could use my vacation and sick days and I would qualify for FMLA as well.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 7, 2019 16:30:32 GMT
We got 5 days (I was a teacher)..anything longer (with a dr. note) came out of our sick leave,
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Post by coaliesquirrel on Nov 7, 2019 16:38:03 GMT
Ours is 10 paid days for spouse, domestic partner, or children (incl. adopted, foster, step, or those of domestic partner if claimed as a dependent), 5 for a parent, 3 for spouse/DP parents, 3 for own siblings, grandparents, grandchildren, aunt or uncle. None for siblings, grandparents, grandchildren, aunt, or uncle of spouse/DP -- I think that's bullshit and you should at least get 3 days for S/DP siblings, grandchildren.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 7, 2019 16:38:14 GMT
I think we get five days like many others. It’s actually three days or five days, depending on the relationship. I hope you are able to get on disability to give you some more time
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Post by anniefb on Nov 7, 2019 16:38:26 GMT
My work offers 3 days but after my Mum passed in 2011 they actually gave me 3 weeks extra special paid leave. I really appreciated it and the reality is that I couldn't have done my job properly in that time anyway. I would have taken more days as annual leave if that hadn't been offered.
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Post by tentoes on Nov 7, 2019 16:39:21 GMT
oh man, I'm coming up on a year, and so thankful I am retired, and I didn't have to add WORK to my schedule. Sending hugs to you. You need to take care of YOU right now. People say it gets easier--I'm waiting for that.
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Post by tripletmom on Nov 7, 2019 16:39:29 GMT
3 days no matter who it is. It’s absolute crap. When our daughter died, my husband was off for two weeks because he had already taken scheduled time off approved months before and she died three days before Christmas, and the paid holiday days were in there already too. He used the three day’s to make it 2 weeks. Two weeks is not enough time for a loss of a child. No amount of time is enough, but three days is a slap in the face for such an unimaginable and horrendous loss.
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Post by scrapmaven on Nov 7, 2019 16:49:46 GMT
You've been through one death after another this year. It's been a series of heartbreak and devastation. 5 days isn't even close to the time you need to heal. I truly think you need more time and more support. I 2nd the suggestion about going to a support group for people who have lost their spouse. In some ways, you should stick to your normal routine, but right now you probably feel anything but normal. It's too soon to expect you to be farther along than you are. Do you want to talk to a grief counselor? Do you want to talk to other spouses who have lost their wife/husband? Do you want to be on Short Term Disability in order to process this and heal or is it better to have that daily routine? You have options. A grief counselor can guide and help you move forward. You can get acute care. Just google it.
Meanwhile, remember that you have lots of friends all over the world who are there 24/7. You are not alone.
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Post by moodyblue on Nov 7, 2019 16:57:27 GMT
oh man, I'm coming up on a year, and so thankful I am retired, and I didn't have to add WORK to my schedule. Sending hugs to you. You need to take care of YOU right now. People say it gets easier--I'm waiting for that. I tell people it doesn’t get better, it gets different. Some people say it doesn’t get better, you get stronger. As far as the suggestions for grief counseling, the hospice people told me they don’t recommend joining their grief support groups until about three months out from the loss - that people are too much in the fog of early grief to take in and benefit from grief groups before that. They did offer individual visits with a counselor if I wanted them.
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Post by workingclassdog on Nov 7, 2019 16:57:34 GMT
Ours varies depending on the relationship. We have everything up to a week.
We did have someone that has been off for quite awhile as his child was killed in an auto accident. But I am not sure how they are handling that one. I have a feeling they are just giving him whatever time he needs off.
I am sorry for your loss.. I can't imagine having only five days for a spouse.
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