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Post by cycworker on Nov 21, 2019 20:46:18 GMT
I am not a Dem, but if I had to vote for someone on the list it would Tulsi Gabbard. She fits the age range I would like to see in a President and I appreciate her foreign policy views through her veteran experience. Tulsi Gabbard's foreign policy is dangerous unless you WANT to see an advance of the Soviet empire. Her policies promote Putin's agenda.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Nov 21, 2019 21:14:14 GMT
Sadly, I think there is a large demographic that would vote for a gay white man over any woman in this country. Let's just say it's complicated. Right now I'm more Pete, Kamala or Amy but will support whoever ends up with the nomination. I will be holding my nose for Sanders or Biden. That kinda makes sense re: gay white male vs a woman. My concern is Republicans voting in the Democratic primary to skew who the nominee is, thus helping Trump. That is the one thing I really don't get about US politics. In Canada, only official, paid members of a party can choose candidates. I joined my party of choice because I wanted a say in our nominees. Constituency associations bring members together to choose their delegates & we determine who we want our reps to support on the first ballot. A lot of states, like Iowa, have closed primaries. I know some do not, and people can still change their party affiliation as much as they want. I don't know how many people do that though. I am sure some do to try and skew things, but I can't imagine the percentage is super high. What do I know though? not much when it comes to primaries.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Nov 21, 2019 21:48:51 GMT
I love Warren on fiscal stuff, but the thing people love the most - the wealth tax - will never fly. If she can get it through Congress it'll go to the SCOTUS & it will die. And frankly, she's alienated a lot of voters, particularly people of colour. Can you point me to a source for your statement that Warren has alienated voters/people of color? I get that she might not be resonating with voters of color, but I need to know specifics if she’s done something in particular to alienate them. My top choice at this point is Warren, beyond that I only know that Biden and Gabbard are the two I would have the hardest time pulling the lever for.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 21:52:22 GMT
I am not a Dem, but if I had to vote for someone on the list it would Tulsi Gabbard. She fits the age range I would like to see in a President and I appreciate her foreign policy views through her veteran experience. Tulsi Gabbard's foreign policy is dangerous unless you WANT to see an advance of the Soviet empire. Her policies promote Putin's agenda. It is irrelevant to me because I won’t be voting for her IRL. The question was to pick one from the list and welcomed Non Dem viewpoints.
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 21, 2019 21:55:18 GMT
Harris is still my top pick, followed by Warren. I will vote for whoever wins the ticket though.
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Post by birukitty on Nov 21, 2019 22:01:26 GMT
Elizabeth Warren is my top pick. There are 2 issues most important to me this election-healthcare and gun control. There are obviously many more but those two are the most important to me. I've always liked Bernie Sanders but his stance on stronger gun control isn't tough enough for me.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 21, 2019 22:08:33 GMT
Booker is pro-charter schools, so I do not care for him. I like Klobuchar and Pete-although he is not yet ready, IMO. But I will vote blue.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 21, 2019 22:15:19 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Nov 21, 2019 23:28:47 GMT
1st: anyone but 45 2nd: Pete is looking better and better each day 3rd: see 1st
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Post by huskergal on Nov 22, 2019 0:21:35 GMT
Living in a very conservative state, I know that Warren and Sanders would be an absolute "no" for flipping any Republicans.
I personally love Mayor Pete. I want him to have more experience and would prefer him as a VP first. But he is more moderate. I prefer the country get governed from the center. I am not in favor of completely doing away with private insurance companies. I am in favor of expanding medicare to cover all uninsured people. I don't think Medicare for all is feasible in a country with as large as a population as the United States.
I am completely anti-Biden. We need the youth vote to get rid of Trump. Being against the legalization of marijuana is just not a good position.
I like Corey Booker.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 22, 2019 2:21:23 GMT
Pete-although he is not yet ready, IMO. But I will vote blue. To me, he is no less ready than the doof in the WH now. No one, and I mean no one, can do any worse than said doof. Lol.
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Post by chances on Nov 22, 2019 3:55:31 GMT
I was so surprised to see the majority of votes for Pete. It's one thing to know there are huge demographic differences and another to see it up close.
He's maybe like 10th on my list and I dont know *anyone* who likes him.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 22, 2019 9:33:26 GMT
Pete-although he is not yet ready, IMO. But I will vote blue. To me, he is no less ready than the doof in the WH now. No one, and I mean no one, can do any worse than said doof. Lol. Well, sure. My TV is more qualified than Trump. I would like to see Pete as a VP first.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 22, 2019 9:36:18 GMT
I was so surprised to see the majority of votes for Pete. It's one thing to know there are huge demographic differences and another to see it up close. He's maybe like 10th on my list and I dont know *anyone* who likes him. So true; if you are on Twitter, you might think that everyone hates Pete. Not true.
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Post by Merge on Nov 22, 2019 11:49:24 GMT
I was so surprised to see the majority of votes for Pete. It's one thing to know there are huge demographic differences and another to see it up close. He's maybe like 10th on my list and I dont know *anyone* who likes him. We on the board skew more white, middle aged/senior, suburban/rural, relatively wealthy, and thus more fiscally moderate than Democratic voters on the whole. National polling still has Pete in single digits. Thats why our primary system is so frustrating. Iowa and New Hampshire voters are not remotely representative of the preferences of voters in urban Democratic strongholds.
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Post by Olan on Nov 22, 2019 15:32:43 GMT
Can I ask why Buttigieg doesn’t appeal to black voters? Even my mom brought that up, which must mean it is pretty common knowledge. I keep hearing that too, but I don’t know why that is? The issue is complex. This article explores what some people are thinking. It focuses on the social conservatism of religious black voters, particularly older ones. What I hear from my friends of color locally is that they're interested in a candidate who wants to fundamentally change the political system that has allowed someone like Trump to come to power, and the economic system that allows a small minority of people to hoard wealth while increasing numbers live on the streets, die for want of decent health care, etc. They're not interested in small steps and half-measures. (I hear the same thing from progressive white women in my circle, for what it's worth.) I doubt very seriously he will lose the black vote because he is a gay man. The problem with him and many other candidates is the whole “POC” shit call me a black woman and speak to the issues that are important to me or you don’t have my vote. Plain and simple. A South East Asian woman and I shouldn’t be lumped into the same box. I wished everyone including politicians didn’t take such issue with saying the word “black”. amp.indystar.com/amp/1545032001
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Post by Merge on Nov 22, 2019 17:40:58 GMT
The issue is complex. This article explores what some people are thinking. It focuses on the social conservatism of religious black voters, particularly older ones. What I hear from my friends of color locally is that they're interested in a candidate who wants to fundamentally change the political system that has allowed someone like Trump to come to power, and the economic system that allows a small minority of people to hoard wealth while increasing numbers live on the streets, die for want of decent health care, etc. They're not interested in small steps and half-measures. (I hear the same thing from progressive white women in my circle, for what it's worth.) I doubt very seriously he will lose the black vote because he is a gay man. The problem with him and many other candidates is the whole “POC” shit call me a black woman and speak to the issues that are important to me or you don’t have my vote. Plain and simple. A South East Asian woman and I shouldn’t be lumped into the same box. I wished everyone including politicians didn’t take such issue with saying the word “black”. amp.indystar.com/amp/1545032001I'm sorry. I try to listen and to call people what they want to be called. I'll work harder at it.
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Post by chances on Nov 22, 2019 18:59:31 GMT
The issue is complex. This article explores what some people are thinking. It focuses on the social conservatism of religious black voters, particularly older ones. What I hear from my friends of color locally is that they're interested in a candidate who wants to fundamentally change the political system that has allowed someone like Trump to come to power, and the economic system that allows a small minority of people to hoard wealth while increasing numbers live on the streets, die for want of decent health care, etc. They're not interested in small steps and half-measures. (I hear the same thing from progressive white women in my circle, for what it's worth.) I doubt very seriously he will lose the black vote because he is a gay man. The problem with him and many other candidates is the whole “POC” shit call me a black woman and speak to the issues that are important to me or you don’t have my vote. Plain and simple. A South East Asian woman and I shouldn’t be lumped into the same box. I wished everyone including politicians didn’t take such issue with saying the word “black”. amp.indystar.com/amp/1545032001I definitely agree about not losing votes because of being gay and about people wanting real change. Pete is basically a DINO to me. The poc thing is complicated. This a big part of my research and there is a lot of varation with whether Black and Latino people feel part the same poc group. ETA: On further consideration, DINO was a bit strong. Just not my cup of tea.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 19:55:43 GMT
This morning I posted “tweets” of trump’s call in interview with Fox & Friends on the catch all thread. For anyone who hasn’t read or seen parts of that interview, they should because it was just plain nuts.
Earlier this week a Republican member of the House, in a public hearing, pushed a conspiracy theory that originated from Russia.
The 2020 election will not be a normal election where we quibble over issues that are important to us personally and then vote accordingly. But instead it will be an election to save our country. trump is a cancer that is spreading throughout our government and it has to be stopped Really, there is no other way to put it. It’s really that simple.
So while we discuss and spare over who would be the best candidate, once the nominee is chosen, we need to put aside what we personally want in a candidate and rally around the nominee and get this person elected.
That means we can’t not vote for this nominee because:
* they are gay * they are a she * they are black * they are too progressive * they are moderates * because the general you doesn’t like the nominee regardless of what they stand for.
If we fail getting rid of trump and marginalizing the Republicans, then that great experiment that a group of men started all those years ago will end. I do believe we have reached that point in our country.
And if we succeed in this election, in future elections we can go back to debating the issues and voting for what is important to us personally but hopefully a bit wiser in our choices.
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Post by Olan on Nov 30, 2019 16:38:14 GMT
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Post by ntsf on Nov 30, 2019 16:51:04 GMT
I heard a commentator say "pete is the ideal that old white people wish more young people were like..."
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Post by carhoch on Nov 30, 2019 17:17:42 GMT
Buttigieg is by far my first choice I will not vote for Bernie ,Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi Gabbard anybody else is fine .
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Post by peano on Nov 30, 2019 17:20:12 GMT
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Post by evnimom on Nov 30, 2019 17:44:13 GMT
I didn't take the poll. I have my favorites and couldn't narrow it down for the primary yet. There are a few candidates that I dislike very much. I will vote blue no matter who it is come the general.
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Post by mrssmith on Nov 30, 2019 17:54:40 GMT
I was so surprised to see the majority of votes for Pete. It's one thing to know there are huge demographic differences and another to see it up close. He's maybe like 10th on my list and I dont know *anyone* who likes him. Me too. I know one person (from IN) who is diehard Mayor Pete. This pretty much solidified my opinion of him: Pete Buttigieg, Donald Trump, and the privilege of inexperience
I didn't watch the debate but from that clip it looks like Amy Klobuchar wants to smack him. FWIW, a friend who has conservative ILs in Indiana told me a lot of them would consider Mayor Pete vs Trump who they voted for.
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Post by worrywart on Nov 30, 2019 18:12:49 GMT
There was an article in the NYT yesterday about why K. Harris campaign is apparently unraveling. I'm undecided but wish that someone could become a huge standout so we at least have a chance of some change.
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 30, 2019 19:33:14 GMT
Buttigieg does not have the support of non-white voters. Regardless of what anyone here thinks of him, I don't think he will pull the votes from people of color that we need. I also think he'll get skewered on experience. He's been the mayor of a fairly small city and won that office with 8,500 votes. Not BY 8,500 votes, but with 8,500 total votes. He has no large-scale executive experience, no experience with DC coalition building, no foreign policy experience. He's not ready for prime time. I wish he'd run for Congress instead. I'll reiterate my earlier statement that I strongly wish our primary system didn't rely on two states that skew heavily white and rural for the first two rounds. Democratic voters are concentrated in cities, and a large number of them are not white. I've made my preference for a more progressive candidate known here. I still like Warren and think she can win. I'd like to see Julian Castro as her running mate. But I'll walk over hot coals to vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee and get Trump out of office. (Unless it's Tulsi. Then I'd have to, I don't know, build a bridge over the coals or something. Much less enthusiasm.) I 100% agree with you. I'd love a Warren/Castro ticket. Castro was in my top for a long time. He just didn't get enough attention from the media and it pisses me off. Everyone was too busy laughing at Marianne Williamson and giving that asshole Tulsi Gabbard attention to pay attention to Castro. Disappointing.
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Post by Merge on Nov 30, 2019 20:49:19 GMT
Buttigieg does not have the support of non-white voters. Regardless of what anyone here thinks of him, I don't think he will pull the votes from people of color that we need. I also think he'll get skewered on experience. He's been the mayor of a fairly small city and won that office with 8,500 votes. Not BY 8,500 votes, but with 8,500 total votes. He has no large-scale executive experience, no experience with DC coalition building, no foreign policy experience. He's not ready for prime time. I wish he'd run for Congress instead. I'll reiterate my earlier statement that I strongly wish our primary system didn't rely on two states that skew heavily white and rural for the first two rounds. Democratic voters are concentrated in cities, and a large number of them are not white. I've made my preference for a more progressive candidate known here. I still like Warren and think she can win. I'd like to see Julian Castro as her running mate. But I'll walk over hot coals to vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee and get Trump out of office. (Unless it's Tulsi. Then I'd have to, I don't know, build a bridge over the coals or something. Much less enthusiasm.) I 100% agree with you. I'd love a Warren/Castro ticket. Castro was in my top for a long time. He just didn't get enough attention from the media and it pisses me off. Everyone was too busy laughing at Marianne Williamson and giving that asshole Tulsi Gabbard attention to pay attention to Castro. Disappointing. His time will come. I'd love to see him run for governor of Texas and then president maybe 10 years down the road.
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