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Post by kluski on Jun 24, 2016 2:56:34 GMT
I searched but I didn't see a thread yet. It seems they found two bodies so far. One was wearing a life jacket. I don't understand how she could have died that quickly wearing a life jacket. People survive days in the sea waiting for help. Have you heard any mention of the mother? Why did the brother wait two days to report them missing? Lots of questions IMO...
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 24, 2016 3:03:10 GMT
From what I understand, they were trying to ride out a storm. We get awful, awful summer thunderstorms that can be worse than category one hurricanes in wind strength. The last contact the family had was the dad calling a family member to tell them that at that point there were already six to seven foot waves. From what I have read and heard, it sounds like there is no bad behavior involved at all. Just tragic circumstances. Let me see if I can find the article I just read...here you go Lost Family
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Post by mom on Jun 24, 2016 3:06:14 GMT
oh wow. How sad - I hadn't heard anything about this before now.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 24, 2016 3:08:06 GMT
oh wow. How sad - I hadn't heard anything about this before now. I hadn't realized it was being carried outside the state. Or even outside of this part of the state. It is pretty awful for sure. Those Coast Guard guys though, my gosh they are amazing and are so dedicated to the work they do.
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Post by kate on Jun 24, 2016 3:08:28 GMT
Oh, no, this is not a good update.  The last I had heard, they had only found one body and were hoping the rest had survived. How very sad.
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Post by kluski on Jun 24, 2016 3:09:43 GMT
I agree, perhaps not criminal behavior just poor judgement. Still question the thought process. Chances are most questions will go unanswered but for a family living on a sailboat, he definitely made some unfortunate choices.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 24, 2016 3:13:18 GMT
I searched but I didn't see a thread yet. It seems they found two bodies so far. One was wearing a life jacket. I don't understand how she could have died that quickly wearing a life jacket. People survive days in the sea waiting for help. Have you heard any mention of the mother? Why did the brother wait two days to report them missing? Lots of questions IMO… Sadly, a life jacket gave her a better chance of surviving if seas were calm. In stormy seas you will be knocked around quite a bit and can swallow enough water to drown. According to this story, the dad had full custody and mom lives in Indiana. I think it is a terrible tradegy.
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Post by melissa on Jun 24, 2016 3:52:21 GMT
She still could have drowned in stormy weather with a life jacket on. Waves can still wash over you in weather that bad.
It sounds to me like the boat may have gone down, with all the debris they found, or at least took on some pretty huge waves.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 24, 2016 3:55:17 GMT
I hadn't heard yet that there was a second body found.  I am still keeping my fingers crossed that at least some of the family will be found alive. The details in the news have been scarce but from what I gather this family lived on the boat. The boat supposedly was in need of repairs and didn't have a radio. Why would you live on a boat and not have a radio for emergency purposes? Something seems off about this.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 24, 2016 4:02:04 GMT
I don't think there's anything off about it.
You live on a boat sailing from place to place, that means you don't have steady work, that means you don't have money to repair things right when they need to be repaired.
This was just a bad set of circumstances. Making one bad decision in a storm and then too late to change your mind.
I don't think there has to be anything "more" here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 4:10:14 GMT
What a tragic-and scary-story. 
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Post by stacy71 on Jun 24, 2016 4:13:35 GMT
I read that a flare was shot off at 2:30 am hours before they found the first body in the area where the flaire went off. Such a sad story.
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Post by Grom Pea on Jun 24, 2016 6:15:46 GMT
What a sad story. My dh tells some stories of sudden storms that had waves crashing up over his fly bridge. He's very good about preparing and thinking about a trip, even a car trip so I know weather can just sneak up on you, even if you're well prepared. I hope some of the family is found still alive.
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Post by DinCA on Jun 24, 2016 6:19:23 GMT
Such a sad, sad story. I'm still holding out hope one of the four survived.
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Post by azredhead on Jun 24, 2016 6:21:40 GMT
I've heard bits and parts of that story. It sounds so crazy and devastating. I do hope they find some of them alive too. I heard that about the flair too. But it sounds so not good. 
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 24, 2016 6:46:31 GMT
The only thing that confuses me is the brother not calling the Coast Guard until Tuesday. "Later Sunday, Kimberly called his brother and stated the sailboat was in a storm, in 6-foot seas and that he was attempting to survive with his children offshore of Englewood." Why did he wait? I don't know if if would have made a difference. 
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Post by M in Carolina on Jun 24, 2016 6:49:13 GMT
I lived at the beach from 2nd grade until I finished college. I've been out on the water on a clear day with absolutely no clouds in the sky, and a rogue gale can just whip up in minutes.
You can do everything right and still get caught in a storm. Radios do break--the guy had a cell phone, and the radio could have broken between his last docking in Florida and reaching the intended island port. He did have a phone backup.
I agree with the other peas who say that even with a life vest, with waves breaking over you, you swallow a lot of water.
After my brother and I almost drown while swimming in the ocean, my mom wanted us to wear life vests. But in the breakers, not being able to dive underneath to keep getting hit in the face, it's no fun. You just get sick from swallowing so much water.
I didn't know that the dad had custody. I was hoping that maybe the dad had taken the kids away and scuttled the boat--that they really didn't drown.
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Post by kluski on Jun 24, 2016 9:40:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 14:11:43 GMT
I searched but I didn't see a thread yet. It seems they found two bodies so far. One was wearing a life jacket. I don't understand how she could have died that quickly wearing a life jacket. People survive days in the sea waiting for help. Have you heard any mention of the mother? Why did the brother wait two days to report them missing? Lots of questions IMO... I agree with the statement why did the brother wait two days. You get a call that your brother and children are trying to survive on Sunday evening and you wait to Tuesday??? Makes you go hmmm....
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Post by uksue on Jun 24, 2016 15:46:31 GMT
What a horrible tragedy . Reading the article - was the family living rough? Seems as though there's some odd statements from the man in the article .
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Post by nicole2112 on Jun 24, 2016 15:55:18 GMT
The only thing that confuses me is the brother not calling the Coast Guard until Tuesday. "Later Sunday, Kimberly called his brother and stated the sailboat was in a storm, in 6-foot seas and that he was attempting to survive with his children offshore of Englewood." Why did he wait? I don't know if if would have made a difference. I don't know if it would have either but now we'll really never know. The families were apparently very very close but I just can't fathom why the brother wouldn't call to get help out to the family immediately. I'm definitely reading all updates about this story. It's so sad...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 15:55:25 GMT
I searched but I didn't see a thread yet. It seems they found two bodies so far. One was wearing a life jacket. I don't understand how she could have died that quickly wearing a life jacket. People survive days in the sea waiting for help. Have you heard any mention of the mother? Why did the brother wait two days to report them missing? Lots of questions IMO... I agree with the statement why did the brother wait two days. You get a call that your brother and children are trying to survive on Sunday evening and you wait to Tuesday??? Makes you go hmmm.... I have to wonder if it was just a normal phone call and that the sailing dude often used the statement about "surviving". I know that some days I will when having a bad day -- state that I am surviving but in no real way means my life is in danger. Who knows when he actually tried to contact them again (suppose they had an agreement for a 1 a week call or even 1 a month).... he may not have even realized that soon that they could be missing.
Hindsight is 20/20. And as with all situations it is easy to say what could have, should have occurred....after it did occur.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 17:46:21 GMT
I agree with the statement why did the brother wait two days. You get a call that your brother and children are trying to survive on Sunday evening and you wait to Tuesday??? Makes you go hmmm.... I have to wonder if it was just a normal phone call and that the sailing dude often used the statement about "surviving". I know that some days I will when having a bad day -- state that I am surviving but in no real way means my life is in danger. Who knows when he actually tried to contact them again (suppose they had an agreement for a 1 a week call or even 1 a month).... he may not have even realized that soon that they could be missing.
Hindsight is 20/20. And as with all situations it is easy to say what could have, should have occurred....after it did occur.
I guess I am a worry wart according to my family...so I would be checking in to see if they got back to shore that evening....
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Post by Citygirl on Jun 24, 2016 18:53:07 GMT
So sad. Mother Nature is brutal.
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Post by M in Carolina on Jun 24, 2016 21:44:11 GMT
I agree with the statement why did the brother wait two days. You get a call that your brother and children are trying to survive on Sunday evening and you wait to Tuesday??? Makes you go hmmm.... I have to wonder if it was just a normal phone call and that the sailing dude often used the statement about "surviving". I know that some days I will when having a bad day -- state that I am surviving but in no real way means my life is in danger. Who knows when he actually tried to contact them again (suppose they had an agreement for a 1 a week call or even 1 a month).... he may not have even realized that soon that they could be missing.
Hindsight is 20/20. And as with all situations it is easy to say what could have, should have occurred....after it did occur.
I agree with Luvspaper. 6 foot waves aren't "big". The beach where I lived averaged 3-4 foot breakers, so there wasn't a big surf scene. The locals would surf and boogie board right before and after storms when the breakers averaged 6-8 feet. The area where I lived was on the Intracoastal waterway that was connected to the ocean by a deep water inlet. (it's where Blackbeard scuttled the 'Queen Anne's Revenge'.) The inlet area averaged 4-6 foot waves. Winds and changes in temperature on the water are what whips up waves, and that coastal area was popular because there was an almost constant breeze that made summer days in the 80s and 90s comfortable. So, depending on the size of the sailboat, 4-6 foot waves are no big deal. Sailboats also have a very deep keel (similar to the bottom of surf boards but much longer) that keeps them stable. This family had been sailing constantly for a year or longer. Their family would have gotten used to them weathering small storms. What did make me question this story was that the Coast Guard found a bucket containing all the family's important paperwork--birth certificates, etc. all gathered together. Unless the bucket was sealed to be waterproof, that isn't how most boat owners would keep their info. I'd have this info tied to me to keep it from floating off. It made me think that the family was trying to abandon ship and was gathering everything together to get in a dingy or other boat when something catastrophic happened--like a rogue wave washed everyone overboard, the mast broke--which could capsize the boat, the boat was taking on so much water that it was sinking, or maybe the boat did capsize. Or all of the above.
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Post by beachbum on Jun 24, 2016 23:04:11 GMT
This family had been sailing constantly for a year or longer. Their family would have gotten used to them weathering small storms. From what's been reported on the local Fort Myers news, the family had been living on the sailboat while moored in the Sarasota harbor for at least a year, so I'm not sure how much experience they've had with storms. The rainy season has just started here too, so the storms we're getting now have not been around for months (rainy season runs June - September). You can go from sunny to heavy thunderstorm in about 3 minutes flat. Out on the Gulf you can see them but you never know which way they're going to move, and the waves can start at 6 feet and amp up pretty quickly. Nothing new on the local news tonight, Coast Guard is still out and looking, hoping for the best for the remaining 2 family members.
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Post by kluski on Jun 25, 2016 0:45:02 GMT
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Post by beachbum on Jun 25, 2016 19:38:30 GMT
The Coast Guard has suspended their search for the 2 remaining family members. There have been storms out in the Gulf today. It's been sad watching the news around here lately, a swimmer was lost off the coast of Englewood just the other day, too. People underestimate the Gulf - the currents can be strong when it looks so calm and storms pop up quickly on what seems like a nice sunny day. My heart goes out to the families. Florida has had more than its share of tragedy.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 25, 2016 20:56:20 GMT
This was a tragedy to be sure, but I think (and yes I am assuming) that this man was an inexperienced sailor. Or one who was poorly prepared. We all make mistakes. Sadly his mistakes ended in tragedy for him and his children. The reports say he and his children were living aboard their 29 food sailboat while it was moored in the Sarasota harbor for at least a year. He decided to move it (for whatever reasons) down to Fort Myer for repairs. I assume he was working during that time because when you moor a sailboat it sits in water close by shore, and you usually row a very small boat back and forth to it. This family probably used the kayaks they owned. He had to feed his teenagers so he probably had a job.
I think his mistake was moving the sailboat by taking it out to sea when it need repairs. But maybe he had to move it. That can happen. But why did he go without a lifeboat? That may have saved their lives. A lot of inexperienced people think they can save money by not taking a lifeboat. It's a risk and a gamble you take whenever you go out to sea. I wouldn't do it. I am not blaming this man. He lost his life and his children's lives. Why didn't he have a working radio on board, and let's say the radio broke so he used his phone. That can happen. But why didn't he call the Coast Guard first?
My Dad and I sail and we really aren't that experienced. We've been sailing off and on since 1990. We sail his small sailboat around the Chesapeake Bay. It's a day sailer. We aren't experienced enough to go out to sea or sail anywhere overnight, but we know when we get into trouble that the first call is to the Coast Guard. And we've been there before. Once a long time ago on an older boat of his that was larger we hit a submerged refrigerator and tore the keel of the boat. First thing we did was call the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard should always be your first call.
I know I can sit here and why this and why that to death. And it's not fair-this family is dead. But maybe it will help the next family.
It is really odd that his brother didn't call the Coast Guard until two days later and maybe that had a lot to do with their deaths-that lack of time. It's very sad and tragic no matter how it played out.
Debbie in MD.
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Post by ntsf on Jun 25, 2016 21:02:21 GMT
I don't get the not having a radio.. that is cheap but.. it is still an expense. a lifeboat is like over $4-5000. and they need to be maintained every few years. yeah.. the coast guard.. having a personal beacon..my dh wears one on his life jacket anytime he goes out in the ocean.. at least we can find his body he says...
but people are always doing stupid things. unprepared
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