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Post by Anita on Jun 11, 2020 23:56:37 GMT
That's a relief.
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Post by peatlejuice on Jun 12, 2020 0:25:26 GMT
Also worth noting that all parties (stylists and clients) were wearing masks, which likely was a great contributor to preventing transmission.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jun 12, 2020 0:27:07 GMT
Agree - I hope people can continue wearing masks and washing hands and surfaces for quite a while.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 12, 2020 0:28:37 GMT
That's some dumb (literally) luck.
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 12, 2020 1:27:06 GMT
That's some dumb (literally) luck. Agree, total luck.
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Post by momsanta on Jun 12, 2020 1:36:00 GMT
Also only 46 got tested...so 94 people may have gotten it, or had mild symptoms, or been asymptomatic.
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Jun 12, 2020 2:09:39 GMT
That's relieving for their clients.
We had a shitshow fail of social distancing here, but it seems that it didn't lead to any reported cased as of yet. That is good but I worry however, if that kind of information just emboldens people to ignore the rules.
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Post by SabrinaP on Jun 12, 2020 5:40:02 GMT
That’s great and good support that wearing a mask does protect those around you.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 12, 2020 8:39:06 GMT
Also only 46 got tested...so 94 people may have gotten it, or had mild symptoms, or been asymptomatic. This truly bears repeating. Those 94 people who were not tested could very well have been asymptomatic. Maybe they passed the virus on to an immunocompromised person after visiting the salon. Of those 94 untested people, maybe some had mild symptoms and went about life, possibly infecting others. Maybe they mistook the symptoms for allergies. Maybe they took otc meds to mask symptoms because they still really needed to go to work. Maybe they took otc meds to control minor symptoms because they just didn't want to be stuck inside, feeling bored, when stores and outdoor dining is finally starting to reopen. Without every client being tested, the article's title is misleading.
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Post by sueg on Jun 12, 2020 10:02:09 GMT
Agree - I hope people can continue wearing masks and washing hands and surfaces for quite a while. I was at my hairdresser earlier this week, both of us with masks as required here. She said that she feels they will be wearing masks for quite some time, possibly even after the mask requirements are lifted. She also said all the rest - the clean up aftwr clients, disinfecting etc - hasn't changed much, just the spray she uses to wipe down is now a disinfectant/sanitiser, not just soapy water.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jun 12, 2020 12:30:18 GMT
Wear masks. They help stop the spread.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jun 12, 2020 13:16:41 GMT
I don't think it's dumb luck at all. I think that it shows that taking precautions (cleaning and masks) works. It gives me hope that I can go to indoor places more often if everyone is wearing a mask. I've been meeting people outdoors, but that's going to change this winter.
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Post by georgiapea on Jun 12, 2020 14:12:34 GMT
That's wonderful and so not what I expected the outcome to be.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 12, 2020 14:13:32 GMT
Also only 46 got tested...so 94 people may have gotten it, or had mild symptoms, or been asymptomatic. This truly bears repeating. Those 94 people who were not tested could very well have been asymptomatic. Maybe they passed the virus on to an immunocompromised person after visiting the salon. Of those 94 untested people, maybe some had mild symptoms and went about life, possibly infecting others. Maybe they mistook the symptoms for allergies. Maybe they took otc meds to mask symptoms because they still really needed to go to work. Maybe they took otc meds to control minor symptoms because they just didn't want to be stuck inside, feeling bored, when stores and outdoor dining is finally starting to reopen. Without every client being tested, the article's title is misleading. I’m pretty sure the professional contact tracers thought of this before reaching their conclusion.
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Post by pridemom on Jun 12, 2020 15:20:08 GMT
This truly bears repeating. Those 94 people who were not tested could very well have been asymptomatic. Maybe they passed the virus on to an immunocompromised person after visiting the salon. Of those 94 untested people, maybe some had mild symptoms and went about life, possibly infecting others. Maybe they mistook the symptoms for allergies. Maybe they took otc meds to mask symptoms because they still really needed to go to work. Maybe they took otc meds to control minor symptoms because they just didn't want to be stuck inside, feeling bored, when stores and outdoor dining is finally starting to reopen. Without every client being tested, the article's title is misleading. I’m pretty sure the professional contact tracers thought of this before reaching their conclusion. This was not too far from me. Being that my state, Missouri, is leaving contact tracing to the local health department, and not helping at all, I wouldn’t expect them to have the time. Most have very small staff, and they’re overwhelmed with making sure businesses are implementing proper procedures.
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Post by Merge on Jun 12, 2020 15:23:56 GMT
This truly bears repeating. Those 94 people who were not tested could very well have been asymptomatic. Maybe they passed the virus on to an immunocompromised person after visiting the salon. Of those 94 untested people, maybe some had mild symptoms and went about life, possibly infecting others. Maybe they mistook the symptoms for allergies. Maybe they took otc meds to mask symptoms because they still really needed to go to work. Maybe they took otc meds to control minor symptoms because they just didn't want to be stuck inside, feeling bored, when stores and outdoor dining is finally starting to reopen. Without every client being tested, the article's title is misleading. I’m pretty sure the professional contact tracers thought of this before reaching their conclusion. 😂😂😂 Most places are hiring anyone and their dog to be contact tracers. No qualifications needed. “Professional” is a bit of a stretch.
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Post by momsanta on Jun 12, 2020 16:17:42 GMT
The tracers are mostly newly trained at this and are very backlogged.- at least in my experience. I am a tracer and the program is not yet a well oiled machine. My in laws both had Covid- FIL was hospitalized for 10 days, and the tracer did not contact him until 3 weeks after he was discharged. They still have not contacted my MIL. In the meantime...the lady who came to their house and most likely infected them, is dead. So tracing can help gather information but isn’t helping to stop the spread. It is being done too late for that. Hopefully it is better in other areas and will continue to improve. (And yes the qualifications to be a tracer is questionable...I am an RN, but they seem to be taking anyone and I am concerned about this!) 
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Post by shescrafty on Jun 12, 2020 17:07:27 GMT
The 42 negative are great news and should aoaek everyone to wear a mask.
It would have been much better to have everyone tested. Not only would it have been a sample size of roughly 100, it would have identified people who may be testing positive with no symptoms. Having that information may help people see that you can be spreading and have no symptoms, which is one of the main reasons for wearing masks.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 12, 2020 17:19:51 GMT
<adjusts rose colored glasses> yep, that glass looks half full to me. This is good news, I don't know where there's so much negativity here with the "dumb luck" comments. A. The salon kept good records making it possible to trace anyone who had contact. B. No one was admitted to the hospital C. No one died D. No client had any symptoms E. Of those who were tested, zero tested positive. F. Those who weren't tested were quarantined and contacted twice daily by the health department G. Masks appear to work, sanitation steps appear to have worked Of course there are things we can learn from this. The doctor she initially saw diagnosed her with allergies, clearly that was incorrect. But this poor girl did everything right....she caught it by going grocery shopping for an elderly relative; she went to the dr when she felt sick; she went back when she experienced more symptoms; she wore a mask and cleaned her station well. Somehow it spread to a co-worker, unsure how and I hope someone is looking into that so additional measures can be taken to prevent that going forward. Everything that happened from her positive test forward is not dumb luck, it's a process that worked. Closing the shop, contact tracing, quarantining, following up with those exposed......that is the process and it was followed. additional article
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Post by auntkelly on Jun 12, 2020 17:39:59 GMT
I hope this incident will help scientists better understand how covid spreads (or doesn't spread) through communities. I know it's just one isolated incident, but hopefully, scientists can glean some helpful information from studying this incident and others.
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Post by rockymtnpea on Jun 12, 2020 17:51:54 GMT
So wait a minute...I am hearing that tracing is important...but not so important that the people that are hired to trace are questionable? (I have no personal knowledge of this...just what I am reading here)
It would seem that the tracing is a crucial part in this COVID puzzle...but apparently not if no thought was given to who would actually perform this task.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 18:32:40 GMT
<adjusts rose colored glasses> yep, that glass looks half full to me. This is good news, I don't know where there's so much negativity here with the "dumb luck" comments. A. The salon kept good records making it possible to trace anyone who had contact. B. No one was admitted to the hospital C. No one died D. No client had any symptoms E. Of those who were tested, zero tested positive. F. Those who weren't tested were quarantined and contacted twice daily by the health department G. Masks appear to work, sanitation steps appear to have worked Of course there are things we can learn from this. The doctor she initially saw diagnosed her with allergies, clearly that was incorrect. But this poor girl did everything right....she caught it by going grocery shopping for an elderly relative; she went to the dr when she felt sick; she went back when she experienced more symptoms; she wore a mask and cleaned her station well. Somehow it spread to a co-worker, unsure how and I hope someone is looking into that so additional measures can be taken to prevent that going forward. Everything that happened from her positive test forward is not dumb luck, it's a process that worked. Closing the shop, contact tracing, quarantining, following up with those exposed......that is the process and it was followed. additional articleAnd do we know with 100% certainty that the co-worker got it from the stylist? They did everything right. And the results are not doomsday.
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Post by sam9 on Jun 12, 2020 19:06:02 GMT
I'm seeing a trend on this board. Any hopeful/good news about Covid (see a previous thread about asymptomatic carriers being weak spreaders as an example) seems to be met with disdain by people who enjoy social distancing. SIP seems to have done its job of stopping hospitals from becoming overwhelmed and now many countries are starting to open up. Yes, we know that the virus has not disappeared into thin air, but people everywhere are starting to live their new normal lives because it has to be done. I think it's healthy to try and meet the fear and add activities to your life based on what's comfortable for you and following guidelines. We can't SIP in place forever.
I think people who are natural introverts have enjoyed SIP and are now reluctant to give it up because they like social distancing and not having to see other people and do things they never really wanted to do.
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Post by Merge on Jun 12, 2020 20:17:35 GMT
I'm seeing a trend on this board. Any hopeful/good news about Covid (see a previous thread about asymptomatic carriers being weak spreaders as an example) seems to be met with disdain by people who enjoy social distancing. SIP seems to have done its job of stopping hospitals from becoming overwhelmed and now many countries are starting to open up. Yes, we know that the virus has not disappeared into thin air, but people everywhere are starting to live their new normal lives because it has to be done. I think it's healthy to try and meet the fear and add activities to your life based on what's comfortable for you and following guidelines. We can't SIP in place forever. I think people who are natural introverts have enjoyed SIP and are now reluctant to give it up because they like social distancing and not having to see other people and do things they never really wanted to do. Speaking as someone who is skeptical of positive Covid news and most definitely is not enjoying SIP, I think that's a pretty broad and uninformed generalization to make. Perhaps our skepticism derives from the fact that many states have been suppressing bad information, skewing numbers to support their desire to re-open the economy. Perhaps it derives from the fact that our federal and often state leadership on this has done too little, too late to actually slow the spread, so they're desperate to show anything - true or not - that might justify their completely inept and underwhelming response. Perhaps it comes from observing our fellow citizens out enjoying themselves, unmasked and in large groups, at the first whiff of any downward trend, and seeing the resultant spike in cases and hospitalizations that comes from selfish choices. What it does not derive from is enjoyment of SIP, and I have the shiny new list of psychiatrist and therapist visits, and stronger prescriptions, to prove it. Perhaps you'd like my doctor's number so you can share your medical opinion about why I might be skeptical of "good" covid news? I'm sure he'd be interested to hear your thoughts. Because believe me, as soon as the prevailing opinion of medical experts is that it's safe to resume normal activities, I'll be the first person to leap out the door, skip back to work, and book a plane ticket somewhere nice. And yes, I’m an introvert.
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 12, 2020 20:38:36 GMT
The 42 negative are great news and should aoaek everyone to wear a mask. It would have been much better to have everyone tested. Not only would it have been a sample size of roughly 100, it would have identified people who may be testing positive with no symptoms. Having that information may help people see that you can be spreading and have no symptoms, which is one of the main reasons for wearing masks. I’m quite surprised they didn’t test everyone. It would have been a great scenario to gain some good data, for research purposes. A known exposure, easily traced potential cases and and involving people using mitigation practices.
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 12, 2020 20:40:02 GMT
So wait a minute...I am hearing that tracing is important...but not so important that the people that are hired to trace are questionable? (I have no personal knowledge of this...just what I am reading here) It would seem that the tracing is a crucial part in this COVID puzzle...but apparently not if no thought was given to who would actually perform this task. Things that make you go hmmmmmm It is important. It’s just that they need so many of them in every state, that they’re training them on the fly, basically.
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 12, 2020 20:48:00 GMT
I'm seeing a trend on this board. Any hopeful/good news about Covid (see a previous thread about asymptomatic carriers being weak spreaders as an example) seems to be met with disdain by people who enjoy social distancing. SIP seems to have done its job of stopping hospitals from becoming overwhelmed and now many countries are starting to open up. Yes, we know that the virus has not disappeared into thin air, but people everywhere are starting to live their new normal lives because it has to be done. I think it's healthy to try and meet the fear and add activities to your life based on what's comfortable for you and following guidelines. We can't SIP in place forever. I think people who are natural introverts have enjoyed SIP and are now reluctant to give it up because they like social distancing and not having to see other people and do things they never really wanted to do. Enjoying social distancing? Honestly, I can’t ever say that I’ve ever experienced social distancing here, to even enjoy it. People here wouldn’t know 6 feet, if they fell over it. They’re constantly all up in your personal space. And were even during lockdown. 🤷🏻♀️ As Merge, pointed out shenanigans with figures released have made people reasonably skeptical of “good news” because there is quite often, an obvious agenda behind it. Unfortunately. I think you were fortunate in Canada that it wasn’t politicized like it was heavily here. It does change the way you look at things when that is the case, though.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 12, 2020 20:48:38 GMT
The 42 negative are great news and should aoaek everyone to wear a mask. It would have been much better to have everyone tested. Not only would it have been a sample size of roughly 100, it would have identified people who may be testing positive with no symptoms. Having that information may help people see that you can be spreading and have no symptoms, which is one of the main reasons for wearing masks. I’m quite surprised they didn’t test everyone. It would have been a great scenario to gain some good data, for research purposes. A known exposure, easily traced potential cases and and involving people using mitigation practices. I too was surprised they didn't test everyone but it's very possible that some simply didn't want to be tested (I'd like to think most would but who knows).
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 12, 2020 20:53:07 GMT
And do we know with 100% certainty that the co-worker got it from the stylist? They did everything right. And the results are not doomsday. I don't think we know for sure (how would anyone know for sure), it could be coincidental that they both had it at the same time.
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