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Post by lizacreates on Jan 11, 2020 20:30:29 GMT
I do not profess any expertise on the RF’s doings. However, I have to pipe in and say that even with my admittedly limited knowledge, the racism against Meghan was / is real. Harry himself said so, even before he and Meghan married. You may find it comforting and fair to contextualize some of these instances and that’s your choice, of course. Some non-white people such as me, on the other hand, have a well-honed sensitivity to these instances because of our experiences, not just with pervasive and overt racism but coded as well, and speaking just for myself, context means nothing to me when they do occur. Is every single instance of criticism against Meghan fueled by racism? Of course not. But many were. Now, it could very well be because of your gutter press who have no qualms about destroying people and encouraging and amplifying racism among the trolls and racists and not your respectable press. But it did happen. But that's my point though and I've never said that there has been ever any racism against Meghan and it most certainly not on the scale that people are accusing us of. You can also say that it's fuelled the trolls and on line comments by people like Olan who posts a controversial opinion made by the author of that article in an attempt to prove or suggest that racism is rampant in Britain when it's actually not. If you load an opinion piece with words that are taken out of context, to the original way those words were used in the original articles, they start having different meaning.Most of those words used in that article would have been used to report on anyone, they were not specifically chosen to be used on a story about Meghan. Take the " her charity cookbook was portrayed as somehow helping terrorists." and the author links the word terrorist to an article that said she was ill advised to visit the Mosque because of it's link to terrorist.Why choose the one article that mentioned the words terrorist and ignore the reality of the wide coverage both by Newspapers and TV of the good she was doing in launching that cook-book. Why would you do that unless they were also fuelling keyboard trolls and other publications outside of Britain who took up on the story to portray Britain, as a whole, a racist country? Again, you are discounting what the persons we’re talking about specifically, are experiencing. By “persons,” I mean both Afua Hirsch and Meghan. It’s not about what YOU experience and observe; it’s about what THEY experience and observe because you are not the one at the receiving end. Saying that many of the criticisms leveled against Meghan are directly attributable to racism is NOT a predilection for pulling out the race card even when unjustified. The claim is based on what Meghan and other people of color such as Hirsch have experienced, have voiced, have perceived and have seen through THEIR lens, not YOUR lens.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 11, 2020 23:25:39 GMT
Again, you are discounting what the persons we’re talking about specifically, are experiencing. By “persons,” I mean both Afua Hirsch and Meghan. It’s not about what YOU experience and observe; it’s about what THEY experience and observe because you are not the one at the receiving end. Saying that many of the criticisms leveled against Meghan are directly attributable to racism is NOT a predilection for pulling out the race card even when unjustified. The claim is based on what Meghan and other people of color such as Hirsch have experienced, have voiced, have perceived and have seen through THEIR lens, not YOUR lens. I think I know where you are coming from. I would be appalled if anyone called me racist yet, thanks to various posts on this board I have learnt a lot and recognise that some things I say or my behaviour might be viewed by non whites as racist. No matter what my intentions are, what I say might be hurtful because I’m coming at it with different life experiences. I think this is how a lot of Brits are and we are saying there is little racism because we just don’t see it. I’m generalising and waffling but I think I get it.
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Post by lizacreates on Jan 12, 2020 0:55:42 GMT
Again, you are discounting what the persons we’re talking about specifically, are experiencing. By “persons,” I mean both Afua Hirsch and Meghan. It’s not about what YOU experience and observe; it’s about what THEY experience and observe because you are not the one at the receiving end. Saying that many of the criticisms leveled against Meghan are directly attributable to racism is NOT a predilection for pulling out the race card even when unjustified. The claim is based on what Meghan and other people of color such as Hirsch have experienced, have voiced, have perceived and have seen through THEIR lens, not YOUR lens. I think I know where you are coming from. I would be appalled if anyone called me racist yet, thanks to various posts on this board I have learnt a lot and recognise that some things I say or my behaviour might be viewed by non whites as racist. No matter what my intentions are, what I say might be hurtful because I’m coming at it with different life experiences. I think this is how a lot of Brits are and we are saying there is little racism because we just don’t see it. I’m generalising and waffling but I think I get it. I appreciate your sentiment. Many of the things that were written and said are truly insulting to people of color, and that’s precisely why I cannot fault both the opinion piece writer and Meghan in this regard (and I cannot fault Harry, too, for specifically pointing out via a formal statement the racial undertones in the attacks against his then-fiancée). Thank you for understanding.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 12, 2020 2:11:05 GMT
I read this post on Facebook this morning:
I thought it was very well written, and sums up what I've been thinking.
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Post by gar on Jan 12, 2020 9:53:18 GMT
I read this post on Facebook this morning: I thought it was very well written, and sums up what I've been thinking. I just think a lot of people were disappointed honestly. He has a wealth of public affection but he wants to retreat. I think that's where a lot of the pushback came from but I think people will settle down as they get used to the idea and wish him the best whatever arrangement they end up with. I don't like to think of him/them struggling so much so I hope Monday's meeting with the Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William is kind and constructive. By all accounts her Majesty is keen to find solutions but I don't imagine this is going to be resolved all that quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 10:16:36 GMT
But that's my point though and I've never said that there has been ever any racism against Meghan and it most certainly not on the scale that people are accusing us of. You can also say that it's fuelled the trolls and on line comments by people like Olan who posts a controversial opinion made by the author of that article in an attempt to prove or suggest that racism is rampant in Britain when it's actually not. If you load an opinion piece with words that are taken out of context, to the original way those words were used in the original articles, they start having different meaning.Most of those words used in that article would have been used to report on anyone, they were not specifically chosen to be used on a story about Meghan. Take the " her charity cookbook was portrayed as somehow helping terrorists." and the author links the word terrorist to an article that said she was ill advised to visit the Mosque because of it's link to terrorist.Why choose the one article that mentioned the words terrorist and ignore the reality of the wide coverage both by Newspapers and TV of the good she was doing in launching that cook-book. Why would you do that unless they were also fuelling keyboard trolls and other publications outside of Britain who took up on the story to portray Britain, as a whole, a racist country? Again, you are discounting what the persons we’re talking about specifically, are experiencing. By “persons,” I mean both Afua Hirsch and Meghan. It’s not about what YOU experience and observe; it’s about what THEY experience and observe because you are not the one at the receiving end. Saying that many of the criticisms leveled against Meghan are directly attributable to racism is NOT a predilection for pulling out the race card even when unjustified. The claim is based on what Meghan and other people of color such as Hirsch have experienced, have voiced, have perceived and have seen through THEIR lens, not YOUR lens. I do understand and I'm not discounting anything. But for the opinion author to get her point across by linking stories that she believes are racist but by the very nature of the stories she's using are not, it's counter productive to the message she's attempting to highlight . Had she only linked stories that were actually perceived as racist,( the Danny Baker one is an example and the broach one) be they undertones or downright obvious (and believe it or not many white people can identify both) she would have been seen to prove her point and not seen as " twisting" words to back up her belief. What good has that done to people of colour or to educate "white people" that are unaware of undertone racism? The first thing they're going to say is that it isn't true as in the case of the author using the word "terrorist" - Meghan was not linked to terrorist by any British media, the Mosque was. No where in that article has Hirsch shared any of her experiences of racism. ( that doesn't mean that she hasn't, that isn't what I'm saying. I don;t know whether she has or not)) But based on that article, her opinion is, as a mixed race woman, is that it happens. I've read very many "opinions" using racism as the bottom line to all of this but not one of them have given actual incidence that they themselves have experienced or that Meghan has experienced, it's just an opinion that it happens. Very many people have opinions on a lot of things but it doesn't make it fact. It's hurtful for a whole country to be accuse of anything, not just racism based on an "opinion" without any evidence to back it up. That isn't denying that Britain is free of any racism but the reality that we are inherently racist as a country is very far from the truth. Blaming the British media and all of it's citizens for all the comments that are linked to on line media is also wrong, not all of the comments come from Britain, far from it. If Hirsch and many others want to get their point across they need to choose examples and words far more carefully than they do.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 12, 2020 11:42:11 GMT
Brits - ITV are airing a programme tonight after the News At Ten, Harry and Meghan : A Royal Crisis? Tbh I think the subject has been done to death now and all we need is to hear what the solutions are. It’s a bit like picking at a scab, you keep coming back to it.
@dottyscrapper I think there is far more racism in this country than we are prepared to recognise. It may not be overt and it’s probably definitely not intentional but it’s perceived as racism and we do need to be aware of it. I’m not having a dig at you, I’m just mulling it over.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 12, 2020 12:00:35 GMT
Tbh I think the subject has been done to death now It's only been 3 days! I get the feeling we'll still be talking about this in 3 months and possibly 3 years time. You better strap in for the long haul because it ain't over yet...and there's no plus sized lady in sight.
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Post by gar on Jan 12, 2020 12:06:16 GMT
Brits - ITV are airing a programme tonight after the News At Ten, Harry and Meghan : A Royal Crisis? Tbh I think the subject has been done to death now and all we need is to hear what the solutions are. It’s a bit like picking at a scab, you keep coming back to it. I'll watch tonight but have to say that despite the rush that Harry and Meghan seem to be in, this isn't going to be a quick fix thing. The wheels grind slowly when it comes to things like this don't they. But the first of many meetings (presumably) is tomorrow so I hope some progress is being made to suit everyone as much as possible and to get them all on the same page hopefully.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 12, 2020 12:08:56 GMT
Tbh I think the subject has been done to death now It's only been 3 days! I get the feeling we'll still be talking about this in 3 months and possibly 3 years time. You better strap in for the long haul because it ain't over yet...and there's no plus sized lady in sight. Rofl! I am the plus size lady! No, I agree, this is going to run and run and I will comment on it along with everyone else.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 12, 2020 12:37:14 GMT
A few examples of how the media treated Kate and Meghan so differently
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Post by gar on Jan 12, 2020 13:16:10 GMT
That’s really ugly 😔
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Post by jenjie on Jan 12, 2020 13:17:52 GMT
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Post by gillyp on Jan 12, 2020 13:35:51 GMT
There are a couple of female journalists in the Mail who are incredibly rude and waspish. I think those Tweets highlight one of them. It’s always the women who make the snide, personal comments. So at odds with Meghan’s championing of women and female empowerment.
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Post by Olan on Jan 12, 2020 13:43:28 GMT
I've read very many "opinions" using racism as the bottom line to all of this but not one of them have given actual incidence that they themselves have experienced or that Meghan has experienced, it's just an opinion that it happens. Very many people have opinions on a lot of things but it doesn't make it fact. It's hurtful for a whole country to be accuse of anything, not just racism based on an "opinion" without any evidence to back it up. That isn't denying that Britain is free of any racism but the reality that we are inherently racist as a country is very far from the truth. Blaming the British media and all of it's citizens for all the comments that are linked to on line media is also wrong, not all of the comments come from Britain, far from it.”
This is how you disrespect and discount the voices of black people. Calling their life experiences opinions and denying the historical mistreatment of black bodies. All because your pride won’t let you admit your country is just like everywhere else in the world. I refuse to engage in dialogue with abusive people who say ridiculous things like:
“ Afua Hirsch would be better off channelling her time and energy to something far more productive in the fight against racism than to choose, out of context words for what was probably, a paid opinion piece, that in many ways, is totally inaccurate”
Denying the problem all while putting the culpability to eradicate it on the victims. It’s really sick and saddening. @dottyscrapper
I hope they move to Africa and make Oprah Harry’s godmother so you guys can really lose your shit.
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Post by Belia on Jan 12, 2020 16:00:20 GMT
I think the real question is... who leaked to Dan Wootten? I read a Canadian gossip site which has been pretty accurate in their reporting of the Sussexes since before the royal wedding. I think H&M got thrown under the bus by an old-schooler in the palace, which forced H&M to accelerate their timeline. Not out of disrespect to the queen. Lainey Gossip linkFrom the article: There's more in that article that addresses the racism and how those of us who are in the majority often (quite innocently) don't even see the microaggressions that people of color have to navigate every day. Anyway... whatevs... Team Sussex
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 12, 2020 16:07:31 GMT
I saw somewhere that the Queen has asked for the POW and DOC and I think Harry to meet tmrw (Jan 13) to figure out what a part time royal will look like. I am very curious to see how this goes. Honestly, I am kind of hoping they are all in or all out. Unless they are more like the York princesses, who I believe are not considered "working" Royal family?
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Post by gar on Jan 12, 2020 16:12:20 GMT
I saw somewhere that the Queen has asked for the POW and DOC and I think Harry to meet tmrw (Jan 13) to figure out what a part time royal will look like. I am very curious to see how this goes. Honestly, I am kind of hoping they are all in or all out. Unless they are more like the York princesses, who I believe are not considered "working" Royal family? I think tomorrow will be the first of many meeting I’d think but perhaps they at least have enough to build on now.
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Post by lizacreates on Jan 12, 2020 17:39:23 GMT
Again, you are discounting what the persons we’re talking about specifically, are experiencing. By “persons,” I mean both Afua Hirsch and Meghan. It’s not about what YOU experience and observe; it’s about what THEY experience and observe because you are not the one at the receiving end. Saying that many of the criticisms leveled against Meghan are directly attributable to racism is NOT a predilection for pulling out the race card even when unjustified. The claim is based on what Meghan and other people of color such as Hirsch have experienced, have voiced, have perceived and have seen through THEIR lens, not YOUR lens. I do understand and I'm not discounting anything. But for the opinion author to get her point across by linking stories that she believes are racist but by the very nature of the stories she's using are not, it's counter productive to the message she's attempting to highlight . Had she only linked stories that were actually perceived as racist,( the Danny Baker one is an example and the broach one) be they undertones or downright obvious (and believe it or not many white people can identify both) she would have been seen to prove her point and not seen as " twisting" words to back up her belief. What good has that done to people of colour or to educate "white people" that are unaware of undertone racism? The first thing they're going to say is that it isn't true as in the case of the author using the word "terrorist" - Meghan was not linked to terrorist by any British media, the Mosque was. No where in that article has Hirsch shared any of her experiences of racism. ( that doesn't mean that she hasn't, that isn't what I'm saying. I don;t know whether she has or not)) But based on that article, her opinion is, as a mixed race woman, is that it happens. I've read very many "opinions" using racism as the bottom line to all of this but not one of them have given actual incidence that they themselves have experienced or that Meghan has experienced, it's just an opinion that it happens. Very many people have opinions on a lot of things but it doesn't make it fact. It's hurtful for a whole country to be accuse of anything, not just racism based on an "opinion" without any evidence to back it up. That isn't denying that Britain is free of any racism but the reality that we are inherently racist as a country is very far from the truth. Blaming the British media and all of it's citizens for all the comments that are linked to on line media is also wrong, not all of the comments come from Britain, far from it. If Hirsch and many others want to get their point across they need to choose examples and words far more carefully than they do. I don’t know if this will help, but Belia posted above what might be worth your time to read. I say this because the blogger, Lainey, has articulated quite well in the 6th and 7th paragraphs what I’ve been attempting to communicate to you. Failing that, we’ll have to abandon our exchange and accept that you and I fundamentally disagree. Because to continue will only create animosity that serves no one.
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 12, 2020 17:59:51 GMT
I'm of the same opinion I was when this first broke. You can't be half in. It's either duty/service to the crown or cut your losses and make your own way with your own income. You don't expect daddy to fund your royal-lite lifestyle (titles, income, housing, protection) plus cashing in on your name/title to make money. They look like petulant teenagers telling mom and dad, "You're not the boss of me!" and then asking for their allowance. I'm actually inclined to believe this is being driven more by Harry. He's been coddled his whole life and I think he thought the good will he had built up by being "fun, lovable, Harry who needs a pass because he's still suffering from his mother's death" would shield him. Just repeating because this says it spot on for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 18:31:41 GMT
Is there any chance that this decision was rushed along to take some of the heat and media attention off of Andrew? Intentional or not it has done that.
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Post by mom on Jan 12, 2020 19:41:52 GMT
Is there any chance that this decision was rushed along to take some of the heat and media attention off of Andrew? Intentional or not it has done that. If you are implying that Harry and Meghan are rushing this to take heat off Andrew, then no. I don't think anyone is thinking about Andrew right now. I think Meghan wants to step away and Harry is going by default because they are his family. I think Meghan thought she could pick & choose when to be Royal and when not to and get to keep all the benefits of being a full time Royal. Unfortunately, I dont see it working that way.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 12, 2020 19:51:29 GMT
I think we are all making assumptions/forming opinions based on hear say and media reports. I mean, that’s all we can do, right? With things being printed and said from all sides and so many different outlets we take it in and decide what makes the most sense to us and who we believe. I should clarify that by growing up I mean from the time he was a (mid to late) teen. I remember a lot of times photos and stories of Harry (and Chelsea) partying too hard were widely circulated, and the photos and stories of William (and eventually Kate) would often pop up sporadically and disappear quickly. Either way, it appears to me that there has obviously been a rift in the family and with the brothers. Perhaps he does feel supported in this matter and the rift is there for other reasons. I think there’s an element of chicken/egg here. It seems that they started to not ‘play the game’ so to speak, soon after the wedding... didn’t want to share pictures of the baby very much etc etc. It can be said that they’re entitled to do that but that isn’t what was the norm or expected and it was inevitable that if they started to pull back then the public here would start saying well, why now? We (British public) like to have something in return for the Sovereign Grant they receive and people were upset when they felt we weren’t getting something back. So a question might be did they pull back because of unfavourable press about Meghan or did Meghan/they start getting negative press because they weren’t allowing us ‘in’ at all? William and Catherine have reached a great arrangement with the press where they feed them scraps - often Catherine’s own shots of the family - and then they’re pretty much left alone. I wonder if they couldn’t have done something like that too had things gone differently. I do see what you’re saying. The public has certain expectations. But are the expectations too much? Personally, I feel they are. Why are the publicowed that much private information or access? Harry has been pretty private about his personal life since he grew up, long before he married. I think they feel their charitable work is their contribution and their private life should be just that. They allowed what glimpses they were comfortable with. As far as the chicken and the egg? The unfavorable and racist press pieces started immediately, maybe even before the engagement.
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Post by gar on Jan 12, 2020 19:53:09 GMT
Is there any chance that this decision was rushed along to take some of the heat and media attention off of Andrew? Intentional or not it has done that. Highly unlikely I would say. I personally haven't seen so much about Andrew in recent days/weeks (although I don't read tabloids I do look at online news) and this is massively overkill if that had been the intention.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 12, 2020 19:56:03 GMT
Is there any chance that this decision was rushed along to take some of the heat and media attention off of Andrew? Intentional or not it has done that. This question was asked further back in this thread and a lot of good answers were given to it. I'd go search for it to tell you where it is but I've got a migraine and I'm actually signing off for now. Just wanted to read the last two pages of this thread to see what'd been added today and I came across your question. I hope you can find it.
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Post by gar on Jan 12, 2020 20:11:21 GMT
I think there’s an element of chicken/egg here. It seems that they started to not ‘play the game’ so to speak, soon after the wedding... didn’t want to share pictures of the baby very much etc etc. It can be said that they’re entitled to do that but that isn’t what was the norm or expected and it was inevitable that if they started to pull back then the public here would start saying well, why now? We (British public) like to have something in return for the Sovereign Grant they receive and people were upset when they felt we weren’t getting something back. So a question might be did they pull back because of unfavourable press about Meghan or did Meghan/they start getting negative press because they weren’t allowing us ‘in’ at all? William and Catherine have reached a great arrangement with the press where they feed them scraps - often Catherine’s own shots of the family - and then they’re pretty much left alone. I wonder if they couldn’t have done something like that too had things gone differently. I do see what you’re saying. The public has certain expectations. But are the expectations too much? Personally, I feel they are. Why are the publicowed that much private information or access? Harry has been pretty private about his personal life since he grew up, long before he married. I think they feel their charitable work is their contribution and their private life should be just that. They allowed what glimpses they were comfortable with. As far as the chicken and the egg? The unfavorable and racist press pieces started immediately, maybe even before the engagement. I don't know...it's hard to quantify how much access or information is acceptable to all parties but I guess my answer would be that it's worked up until now on the whole. I do think the waters are very muddied now as to who did what and when because of the way the press has turned on Meghan and riled people up and it's reprehensible. I'm ashamed of that element of country.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 12, 2020 20:17:12 GMT
I think the real question is... who leaked to Dan Wootten? I read a Canadian gossip site which has been pretty accurate in their reporting of the Sussexes since before the royal wedding. I think H&M got thrown under the bus by an old-schooler in the palace, which forced H&M to accelerate their timeline. Not out of disrespect to the queen. Lainey Gossip linkFrom the article: There's more in that article that addresses the racism and how those of us who are in the majority often (quite innocently) don't even see the microaggressions that people of color have to navigate every day. Anyway... whatevs... Team Sussex Dan has put out a bit of pro William leaks, some believe KP (William & Kate) uses Dan when they want to make a particular narrative public.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 22:34:11 GMT
I've read very many "opinions" using racism as the bottom line to all of this but not one of them have given actual incidence that they themselves have experienced or that Meghan has experienced, it's just an opinion that it happens. Very many people have opinions on a lot of things but it doesn't make it fact. It's hurtful for a whole country to be accuse of anything, not just racism based on an "opinion" without any evidence to back it up. That isn't denying that Britain is free of any racism but the reality that we are inherently racist as a country is very far from the truth. Blaming the British media and all of it's citizens for all the comments that are linked to on line media is also wrong, not all of the comments come from Britain, far from it.” This is how you disrespect and discount the voices of black people. Calling their life experiences opinions and denying the historical mistreatment of black bodies. All because your pride won’t let you admit your country is just like everywhere else in the world. I refuse to engage in dialogue with abusive people who say ridiculous things like: “ Afua Hirsch would be better off channelling her time and energy to something far more productive in the fight against racism than to choose, out of context words for what was probably, a paid opinion piece, that in many ways, is totally inaccurate” Denying the problem all while putting the culpability to eradicate it on the victims. It’s really sick and saddening. @dottyscrapper I hope they move to Africa and make Oprah Harry’s godmother so you guys can really lose your shit.
Don't dare to accuse me of that Olan that is a downright lie and you know it. I have NEVER denied the historical mistreatment of any black people. If you can't discuss anything without making untrue accusations I would be quiet if I were you. And for the record Prince Harry already has six godparents, he doesn't need any more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 23:12:44 GMT
I think the real question is... who leaked to Dan Wootten? I read a Canadian gossip site which has been pretty accurate in their reporting of the Sussexes since before the royal wedding. I think H&M got thrown under the bus by an old-schooler in the palace, which forced H&M to accelerate their timeline. Not out of disrespect to the queen. Lainey Gossip linkFrom the article: There's more in that article that addresses the racism and how those of us who are in the majority often (quite innocently) don't even see the microaggressions that people of color have to navigate every day. Anyway... whatevs... Team Sussex Dan has put out a bit of pro William leaks, some believe KP (William & Kate) uses Dan when they want to make a particular narrative public. I doubt that they would have anything to do with it. Prince William has always been very protective of Harry and he would know how much upset this would have caused.I would be more inclined to think that he got it from " friends" of one or the other of them. According to what he said in an interview to the Press Gazette he's been working on it for weeks and gave the palace 10 days to come clean on the plans, otherwise they would go ahead and publish it. The palace wouldn't comment on it apparently, because he's not a registered journalist on the Royal rota Dan Wootten is just a celebrity/gossip journalist that wanted to get the scoop and the Sun went along with it. Prince Harry is in the process of suing The Sun for historical phone hacking.They could have seen it as pay back.( nasty people) The Sun is owned by News International ( Rupert Murdoch) who have already been sued by many celebrities for phone hacking by the now defunct News of the World ( same owners).
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Post by Belia on Jan 13, 2020 0:19:29 GMT
Dan has put out a bit of pro William leaks, some believe KP (William & Kate) uses Dan when they want to make a particular narrative public. I doubt that they would have anything to do with it. Prince William has always been very protective of Harry and he would know how much upset this would have caused.I would be more inclined to think that he got it from " friends" of one or the other of them. According to what he said in an interview to the Press Gazette he's been working on it for weeks and gave the palace 10 days to come clean on the plans, otherwise they would go ahead and publish it. The palace wouldn't comment on it apparently, because he's not a registered journalist on the Royal rota Dan Wootten is just a celebrity/gossip journalist that wanted to get the scoop and the Sun went along with it. Prince Harry is in the process of suing The Sun for historical phone hacking.They could have seen it as pay back.( nasty people) The Sun is owned by News International ( Rupert Murdoch) who have already been sued by many celebrities for phone hacking by the now defunct News of the World ( same owners). Maybe not Will and Kate themselves, nor anyone authorized officially by W&K, but maybe an old-school staffer on their side with an axe to grind took it upon themselves...
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