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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 1:47:06 GMT
I doubt that they would have anything to do with it. Prince William has always been very protective of Harry and he would know how much upset this would have caused.I would be more inclined to think that he got it from " friends" of one or the other of them. According to what he said in an interview to the Press Gazette he's been working on it for weeks and gave the palace 10 days to come clean on the plans, otherwise they would go ahead and publish it. The palace wouldn't comment on it apparently, because he's not a registered journalist on the Royal rota Dan Wootten is just a celebrity/gossip journalist that wanted to get the scoop and the Sun went along with it. Prince Harry is in the process of suing The Sun for historical phone hacking.They could have seen it as pay back.( nasty people) The Sun is owned by News International ( Rupert Murdoch) who have already been sued by many celebrities for phone hacking by the now defunct News of the World ( same owners). Maybe not Will and Kate themselves, nor anyone authorized officially by W&K, but maybe an old-school staffer on their side with an axe to grind took it upon themselves... There's so much inaccurate information being shared from around the world that it's become impossible to believe anything anymore. I read on Cheatsheet ? this week that this wasn't the first time they had avoided telling the Queen of their plans and naming the documentary they made when in South Africa - that definitely is inaccurate, even the public knew of this documentary well ahead of the time it was aired not to mention the number of journalists that were there while they were filming it and the security that had to be put in place - absolutely impossible for the Palace not to have known about it.
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Post by lizacreates on Jan 13, 2020 4:17:33 GMT
I doubt that they would have anything to do with it. Prince William has always been very protective of Harry and he would know how much upset this would have caused.I would be more inclined to think that he got it from " friends" of one or the other of them. According to what he said in an interview to the Press Gazette he's been working on it for weeks and gave the palace 10 days to come clean on the plans, otherwise they would go ahead and publish it. The palace wouldn't comment on it apparently, because he's not a registered journalist on the Royal rota Dan Wootten is just a celebrity/gossip journalist that wanted to get the scoop and the Sun went along with it. Prince Harry is in the process of suing The Sun for historical phone hacking.They could have seen it as pay back.( nasty people) The Sun is owned by News International ( Rupert Murdoch) who have already been sued by many celebrities for phone hacking by the now defunct News of the World ( same owners). Maybe not Will and Kate themselves, nor anyone authorized officially by W&K, but maybe an old-school staffer on their side with an axe to grind took it upon themselves... Well, Dan Wootton said in a video in August it’s the royal family and staff who are the ones often leaking stories to the press. And some are saying it’s Christian Jones who leaked the H&M plans because he and Wootton are close friends. (I don’t know why royals would hire a good friend of a muckraker as a press secretary, but what do I know.)
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Post by dewryce on Jan 13, 2020 7:48:52 GMT
Maybe not Will and Kate themselves, nor anyone authorized officially by W&K, but maybe an old-school staffer on their side with an axe to grind took it upon themselves... Well, Dan Wootton said in a video in August it’s the royal family and staff who are the ones often leaking stories to the press. And some are saying it’s Christian Jones who leaked the H&M plans because he and Wootton are close friends. (I don’t know why royals would hire a good friend of a muckraker as a press secretary, but what do I know.) Yep. Some celebrities & their publicists have press they use for this purpose. I’m not sure why it is considered out of the realm of possibilities or even likelihood that the royals do this as well. And the press isn’t always discreet about it, so someone paying attention to these details can get an inkling of who uses which reporter(s) when they want to put specific information out there. FTR, I have zero problems believing that Will would do this to Harry.
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Post by gar on Jan 13, 2020 9:11:08 GMT
I have zero problems believing that Will would do this to Harry. I would really hope not because that would indicate that the rift is very serious and I would hate for that to be true. Those boys were so close and leant on each other so much...it would be so sad if they truly have fallen out so badly
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 10:40:23 GMT
Maybe not Will and Kate themselves, nor anyone authorized officially by W&K, but maybe an old-school staffer on their side with an axe to grind took it upon themselves... Well, Dan Wootton said in a video in August it’s the royal family and staff who are the ones often leaking stories to the press. And some are saying it’s Christian Jones who leaked the H&M plans because he and Wootton are close friends. (I don’t know why royals would hire a good friend of a muckraker as a press secretary, but what do I know.) Maybe the Duke and Duchess of Sussex needs to check who they employ then if this is true. Christian Jones is their communications secretary and it's up to their own office who they ultimately employ.Of course they have to be vetted by the main press office but each press office does have a say in who is chosen. H & M's press office isn't based at Kensington Palace either as others have suggested, it's based at Buckingham Palalce link
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 10:51:52 GMT
I have zero problems believing that Will would do this to Harry. I would really hope not because that would indicate that the rift is very serious and I would hate for that to be true. Those boys were so close and leant on each other so much...it would be so sad if they truly have fallen out so badly According to reports William is quite upset about the whole thing which I can imagine is true as he's always been very protective of Harry.He's been reported as saying to friends over the last few days that he always had his arm round Harry and he's not able to do this anymore but he's hoping that they can, in the future, sing from the same page" ![:crying:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/t4lmEAqHtTO6q6ksSmvP.jpg) They were always together even after William got married, there was such great rapport between the three of them every time they were interviewed, seen or reported on. Sad really that it's now broken.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 13, 2020 12:50:06 GMT
This was on This Morning (tv magazine programme) earlier today and highlights part of what has been discussed in this thread regarding white privilege and racism. m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn3DEC79FIk
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 13, 2020 13:03:22 GMT
My recollection is that the first real rumors of the rift began around the time in late 2018 when there were other rumors about William cheating on Kate. And the rumors snowballed when it was announced that they were not going to share an office anymore. Is this the right time frame or was it earlier?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 13:10:43 GMT
Just read this but it doesn't specify which paper it is. ERA -just found it, it was the Express! The Duke of Sussex and the Duke of Cambridge have released a joint statement dismissing a “false story” published today in a UK newspaper with regards to their relationship.
The statement reads: ”Despite clear denials, a false story ran in a UK newspaper today speculating about the relationship between The Duke of Sussex and The Duke of Cambridge.
“For brothers who care so deeply about the issues surrounding mental health, the use of inflammatory language in this way is offensive and potentially harmful.” The newspaper in question is not specified. link
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Post by gar on Jan 13, 2020 13:14:45 GMT
My recollection is that the first real rumors of the rift began around the time in late 2018 when there were other rumors about William cheating on Kate. And the rumors snowballed when it was announced that they were not going to share an office anymore. Is this the right time frame or was it earlier? I can't remember when William supposedly cheated but I do think the rumours began late 2018. It was then reported (who knows?) that William spoke to Harry about how fast his and Meghan's relationship was moving and asked if he was sure, which Harry took as criticism and things went from bad to worse.
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Post by gar on Jan 13, 2020 13:16:51 GMT
Just read this but it doesn't specify which paper it is The Duke of Sussex and the Duke of Cambridge have released a joint statement dismissing a “false story” published today in a UK newspaper with regards to their relationship.
The statement reads: ”Despite clear denials, a false story ran in a UK newspaper today speculating about the relationship between The Duke of Sussex and The Duke of Cambridge.
“For brothers who care so deeply about the issues surrounding mental health, the use of inflammatory language in this way is offensive and potentially harmful.” The newspaper in question is not specified. linkI believe it was the word bully/bullying which was objected to in particular.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 13, 2020 13:29:43 GMT
So, has there been any speculation on what you think will be allowed/not allowed? I read a blog this weekend where a reader asked if this was similar to Princess Madeline of Sweden. I wish I could find the comment! She now lives in FL, and I know the Swedish monarchy had recently "slimmed down" their "senior royals." This was done after Crown Princess Victoria had her 2nd child, bc I guess there was rumors she was having a hard time conceiving. Once she had Prs. Estelle and Pr. Oscar, the SRF made an announcement that the children of Prs. Madeline and Pr. Carl Phillip were no longer considered part of the royal house. I don't quite understand it, AND I thought that Archie was already not given a title? Here is the article about the Swedish Royal Family: theroyalsandi.com/home/royal-court-announces-change-of-titlesFrom the article: "Additionally, Princess Madeleine shared a statement on her Instagram Account about the decision as well. She stated: This change has been planned for a long time. Chris (her husband) and I think it is good that our children now have a greater opportunity to shape their own lives as individuals in the future. One consistency throughout all of these announcements, and the press conference that was held in connection- is that while this decision comes from the King, it was made after discussions within the family and with advisors. The statements released by Prince Carl Philip, Princess Sofia, and Princess Madeleine show no signs of discord or disagreement with the choice- rather signal almost a sigh of relief for their children." So I'm not sure if the BRF could do something similar for H&M, or if that has already been done? I don't know what the SRF pays for and supports Madeline in, nor do I know what sort of outside endeavors she participates in, esp in the US... I know she flew back for the Nobel ceremony. This is all so fascinating to me tho!
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Post by lizacreates on Jan 13, 2020 13:29:53 GMT
Well, Dan Wootton said in a video in August it’s the royal family and staff who are the ones often leaking stories to the press. And some are saying it’s Christian Jones who leaked the H&M plans because he and Wootton are close friends. (I don’t know why royals would hire a good friend of a muckraker as a press secretary, but what do I know.) Maybe the Duke and Duchess of Sussex needs to check who they employ then if this is true. Christian Jones is their communications secretary and it's up to their own office who they ultimately employ.Of course they have to be vetted by the main press office but each press office does have a say in who is chosen. H & M's press office isn't based at Kensington Palace either as others have suggested, it's based at Buckingham Palalce linkI thought he works for the Cambridges. ??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 13:40:59 GMT
Just read this but it doesn't specify which paper it is The Duke of Sussex and the Duke of Cambridge have released a joint statement dismissing a “false story” published today in a UK newspaper with regards to their relationship.
The statement reads: ”Despite clear denials, a false story ran in a UK newspaper today speculating about the relationship between The Duke of Sussex and The Duke of Cambridge.
“For brothers who care so deeply about the issues surrounding mental health, the use of inflammatory language in this way is offensive and potentially harmful.” The newspaper in question is not specified. linkI believe it was the word bully/bullying which was objected to in particular. Yes I know, what did you think I meant. It's still unwarranted and a lie and a nasty accusation, so why in the middle of this, print it? If BP hadn't issued that statement it would have been allowed to spread and people would start believing it,everywhere not just in Britain, like a lot of other things that are out there that are totally inaccurate, out of context and in many cases downright lies.
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Post by wellway on Jan 13, 2020 13:50:17 GMT
So, has there been any speculation on what you think will be allowed/not allowed? I read a blog this weekend where a reader asked if this was similar to Princess Madeline of Sweden. I wish I could find the comment! She now lives in FL, and I know the Swedish monarchy had recently "slimmed down" their "senior royals." This was done after Crown Princess Victoria had her 2nd child, bc I guess there was rumors she was having a hard time conceiving. Once she had Prs. Estelle and Pr. Oscar, the SRF made an announcement that the children of Prs. Madeline and Pr. Carl Phillip were no longer considered part of the royal house. I don't quite understand it, AND I thought that Archie was already not given a title? Here is the article about the Swedish Royal Family: theroyalsandi.com/home/royal-court-announces-change-of-titlesFrom the article: "Additionally, Princess Madeleine shared a statement on her Instagram Account about the decision as well. She stated: This change has been planned for a long time. Chris (her husband) and I think it is good that our children now have a greater opportunity to shape their own lives as individuals in the future. One consistency throughout all of these announcements, and the press conference that was held in connection- is that while this decision comes from the King, it was made after discussions within the family and with advisors. The statements released by Prince Carl Philip, Princess Sofia, and Princess Madeleine show no signs of discord or disagreement with the choice- rather signal almost a sigh of relief for their children." So I'm not sure if the BRF could do something similar for H&M, or if that has already been done? I don't know what the SRF pays for and supports Madeline in, nor do I know what sort of outside endeavors she participates in, esp in the US... I know she flew back for the Nobel ceremony. This is all so fascinating to me tho! I think the difference is the how well known they are, I won't be able to pick any of the Swedish royal family out of line up. Perhaps it is easier for them to blend into life outside the Royal life. The British Royal family gets worldwide coverage, I doubt there are many places any of them can go without being recognised.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 13:58:07 GMT
So, has there been any speculation on what you think will be allowed/not allowed? I read a blog this weekend where a reader asked if this was similar to Princess Madeline of Sweden. I wish I could find the comment! She now lives in FL, and I know the Swedish monarchy had recently "slimmed down" their "senior royals." This was done after Crown Princess Victoria had her 2nd child, bc I guess there was rumors she was having a hard time conceiving. Once she had Prs. Estelle and Pr. Oscar, the SRF made an announcement that the children of Prs. Madeline and Pr. Carl Phillip were no longer considered part of the royal house. I don't quite understand it, AND I thought that Archie was already not given a title? Here is the article about the Swedish Royal Family: theroyalsandi.com/home/royal-court-announces-change-of-titlesFrom the article: "Additionally, Princess Madeleine shared a statement on her Instagram Account about the decision as well. She stated: This change has been planned for a long time. Chris (her husband) and I think it is good that our children now have a greater opportunity to shape their own lives as individuals in the future. One consistency throughout all of these announcements, and the press conference that was held in connection- is that while this decision comes from the King, it was made after discussions within the family and with advisors. The statements released by Prince Carl Philip, Princess Sofia, and Princess Madeleine show no signs of discord or disagreement with the choice- rather signal almost a sigh of relief for their children." So I'm not sure if the BRF could do something similar for H&M, or if that has already been done? I don't know what the SRF pays for and supports Madeline in, nor do I know what sort of outside endeavors she participates in, esp in the US... I know she flew back for the Nobel ceremony. This is all so fascinating to me tho! I don't know whether Sweden allocates them any money from the " Royal" purse IYKWIM. I don't think anyone object to Prince Harry and Meghan doing the same thing if that is their wish but to do so they would need to sever their reliance of any income from the state, including their home at Frogmore and the security they benefit from.. Politically, it's unwise and not allowed because of the consequences of having any commercial personal gain in having outside income whilst still representing the Monarchy in this country.The Monarchy is part and parcel of the way British is governed. The Monarchy is politically neutral. Then there is the tax implications of living in two countries and each of those countries'having different "non residence" laws to consider. So many legalities to it that on the surface of what we know so far all of that might not have been considered by either of them or whoever was advising them. The statement they gave out and what was in the blue print of their plans seems to fall short of what should have been covered, hence the meeting at Sandringham today.
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Post by gar on Jan 13, 2020 14:12:10 GMT
Yes I know, what did you think I meant. I was just clarifying for anyone here who doesn't necessarily want to click the link, pure and simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 14:14:28 GMT
Yes I know, what did you think I meant. I was just clarifying for anyone here who doesn't necessarily want to click the link, pure and simple. Oh, I see. That was why I copied and pasted what the article said but attached the link as it's the " rules" on here for the source.
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Post by gar on Jan 13, 2020 14:20:46 GMT
I was just clarifying for anyone here who doesn't necessarily want to click the link, pure and simple. Oh, I see. That was why I copied and pasted what the article said but attached the link as it's the " rules" on here for the source. I was specifically including the word bully as that isn't in the words you pasted but carry on.
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Post by iluvpink on Jan 13, 2020 14:28:08 GMT
I'm taking a wait and see approach to this.
However I'm just picturing William coming home after this meeting today. I bet he will be like many of us after a long, hard day at the office dealing with all the bullshit. I can see the kids running at home and him just falling onto the couch while Kate brings him a drink and tells the kids to let daddy have some peace while he tells her all the drama.
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Post by *KAS* on Jan 13, 2020 14:43:03 GMT
My mistake. I mis-read it as re-selling photos. It said the tabloids profit by publishing the photos on their front page, it did not say they re-sell them. It was in the FAQ from them that People published about the decision (I bolded the part I misunderstood): Will they continue to have a social media platform? Yes, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will continue to have a social media platform. They look forward to continuing their use of social media and believe that their updated media approach will enable them to share more, with you, directly. Historically, the understanding with the Royal Rota expects that if Their Royal Highnesses were to release a photo that has never been seen, they would be expected to give the image to The Rota (of which four of the seven are UK tabloids) simultaneously or in advance of their own release. This formula enables these select publications to profit by publishing these images on their websites/front pages. Any breach in this understanding creates long term repercussions. Of course the publications are going to profit from them. Every magazine, newspaper, many blogs etc are profit making corporations. The media that are members of the pool don't sell on the photos that are released they share them with others, free of charge. The reason for the ROTA is purely that each event isn't going to be faced with the circus you had outside the hospital when William and Kate's children were born.You can't have that sort of media frenzy each time one of the Royal Family attends places like a hospice or a school for instance. If an official photo is released ( on birthdays etc) now the the Palace Press office releases it to members of the pool which saves their time in sending it to, probably a 100+ others maybe. If in the future they are going to release official photos of themselves they won't be able to control who shares them once they are out there on the internet, no more than they can now.They're both naive if they think they can. Someone will still profit from them somewhere and it will not always be them. Right. As I said, I read it as the publications were able to re-sell the photos. That's why I bolded that sentence - to show the part that I didn't read correctly, which I said was my fault and that I misunderstood....
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 13, 2020 15:06:53 GMT
So, has there been any speculation on what you think will be allowed/not allowed? I read a blog this weekend where a reader asked if this was similar to Princess Madeline of Sweden. I wish I could find the comment! She now lives in FL, and I know the Swedish monarchy had recently "slimmed down" their "senior royals." This was done after Crown Princess Victoria had her 2nd child, bc I guess there was rumors she was having a hard time conceiving. Once she had Prs. Estelle and Pr. Oscar, the SRF made an announcement that the children of Prs. Madeline and Pr. Carl Phillip were no longer considered part of the royal house. I don't quite understand it, AND I thought that Archie was already not given a title? Here is the article about the Swedish Royal Family: theroyalsandi.com/home/royal-court-announces-change-of-titlesFrom the article: "Additionally, Princess Madeleine shared a statement on her Instagram Account about the decision as well. She stated: This change has been planned for a long time. Chris (her husband) and I think it is good that our children now have a greater opportunity to shape their own lives as individuals in the future. One consistency throughout all of these announcements, and the press conference that was held in connection- is that while this decision comes from the King, it was made after discussions within the family and with advisors. The statements released by Prince Carl Philip, Princess Sofia, and Princess Madeleine show no signs of discord or disagreement with the choice- rather signal almost a sigh of relief for their children." So I'm not sure if the BRF could do something similar for H&M, or if that has already been done? I don't know what the SRF pays for and supports Madeline in, nor do I know what sort of outside endeavors she participates in, esp in the US... I know she flew back for the Nobel ceremony. This is all so fascinating to me tho! I think the difference is the how well known they are, I won't be able to pick any of the Swedish royal family out of line up. Perhaps it is easier for them to blend into life outside the Royal life. The British Royal family gets worldwide coverage, I doubt there are many places any of them can go without being recognised. I also have a fascination with the SWF bc I have a good friend who lives in Sweden =) and I went to Stockholm for her wedding. She still lives there and could hardly care less of their monarchy! LOL.
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Post by wordfish on Jan 13, 2020 15:30:17 GMT
My recollection is that the first real rumors of the rift began around the time in late 2018 when there were other rumors about William cheating on Kate. And the rumors snowballed when it was announced that they were not going to share an office anymore. Is this the right time frame or was it earlier? This is true and it's what I think led to the rift, particularly that they now have denied the other timeline explicitly. The timing lines up perfectly and I watched some footage around that time where Harry made a big point of going and kissing Catherine and completely ignoring and avoiding his brother. It was pointed. I think it might have been at a church service or wedding.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 13, 2020 17:27:14 GMT
A message from the Queen was just released:
A statement from Her Majesty the Queen
"Today my family had very constructive discussions on the future of my grandson and his family.
My family and I are entirely supportive of Harry and Meghan’s desire to create a new life as a young family. Although we would have preferred them to remain full-time working Members of the Royal Family, we respect and understand their wish to live a more independent life as a family while remaining a valued part of my family.
Harry and Meghan have made clear that they do not want to be reliant on public funds in their new lives.
It has therefore been agreed that there will be a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and the UK.
These are complex matters for my family to resolve, and there is some more work to be done, but I have asked for final decisions to be reached in the coming days."
Kind of interesting that she doesn't refer to them as the Duke and Duchess....
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 13, 2020 17:39:13 GMT
But she does refer to them as the Sussexes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 17:45:59 GMT
A message from the Queen was just released: A statement from Her Majesty the Queen "Today my family had very constructive discussions on the future of my grandson and his family. My family and I are entirely supportive of Harry and Meghan’s desire to create a new life as a young family. Although we would have preferred them to remain full-time working Members of the Royal Family, we respect and understand their wish to live a more independent life as a family while remaining a valued part of my family. Harry and Meghan have made clear that they do not want to be reliant on public funds in their new lives. It has therefore been agreed that there will be a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and the UK. These are complex matters for my family to resolve, and there is some more work to be done, but I have asked for final decisions to be reached in the coming days." Kind of interesting that she doesn't refer to them as the Duke and Duchess.... You can bet your bottom dollar that would have been interpreted as her excluding them as member of her family and would have been too formal. She's got two hats here, one a grandmother that wants the best for her grandchild and one as a Head of State.I think it was correctly worded under the circumstances.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 13, 2020 17:47:50 GMT
Kind of interesting that she doesn't refer to them as the Duke and Duchess... Yes, that is very interesting, although she does say "the Sussexes" Also the "I have asked for final decisions to be reached in the coming days." line. It sounds like she has given them some decisions to make.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 17:59:43 GMT
Kind of interesting that she doesn't refer to them as the Duke and Duchess... Yes, that is very interesting, although she does say "the Sussexes" Also the "I have asked for final decisions to be reached in the coming days." line. It sounds like she has given them some decisions to make.
Not necessarily them, She could very well have asked Prince William to carry out more duties or ask Kate to. She could have asked any other member of the Royal family if they were willing to step in and add to they're workload.She could have very well have been asking other outside bodies to submit their decisions/ final plans on anything that was suggested there today. There are a lot of people involved in whatever they do. Least of all Canada who also has to be consulted if they are going to be making their home there. If suggestions have been made of a way forward and there is anything more added or disagreed about today by all those involved then a decision is needed to be made by them and not by Prince Harry and Meghan, whether they still agree to any changes.
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Post by grammadee on Jan 13, 2020 22:25:43 GMT
But she does refer to them as the Sussexes. BTW, what WOULD be their last name if they are no longer duke & duchess of Sussex?
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jan 13, 2020 22:33:38 GMT
I wouldn't mind seeing more of Beatrice and Eugenie in an official capacity, especially if Eugenie brings along her handsome husband!
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