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Post by gillyp on Jan 18, 2020 19:23:08 GMT
Wow indeed. Well then.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 18, 2020 19:41:03 GMT
It’s just been announced that Prince Harry and Meghan will lose their HRH titles and will receive no money. Wow. I’m honestly shocked by this. I'm not. Given the way they made their announcement, I expected nothing less. From what I've read, the British public also felt that way. It's the safest way for the Queen to protect the monarchy as an institution. Now we wait to see if one of them says they don't care about the title, they'd rather be the Queen/King of people's hearts.
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Post by joelise on Jan 18, 2020 20:01:10 GMT
I wonder what means for the Sussex Royal brand they trademarked a couple of weeks ago... I’m no expert, other British peas will probably know more than me, but I believe their title of Duke and Duchess of Sussex was given to them on their wedding day and they will keep this title! HRH is a much higher title than a Dukedom.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 18, 2020 20:02:50 GMT
It’s just been announced that Prince Harry and Meghan will lose their HRH titles and will receive no money. They didn't really lose their titles... from a blog I read: fromberkshiretobuckingham.blogspot.com/2020/01/palace-issues-decision-on-sussexes.htmlHarry and Meghan are retaining their HRHs, but won't use them. That's a very interesting compromise. They will now be styled Harry, Duke of Sussex, and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, which is the way a divorced royal is styled, e.g. Sarah Ferguson is Sarah, Duchess of York, she is not HRH The Duchess of York.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 18, 2020 20:06:22 GMT
Thinking the Cambridges will not be traveling together any more.
H&M will be paying for the 2.? million used to revamp the cottage they were living in .
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Post by uksue on Jan 18, 2020 20:20:39 GMT
They may have chosen to drop HRH rather than risk it being taken away . Will people still be interested in them without the royal connection, I wonder? I think she’s so arrogant she thinks they are going to make their fortunes and ‘change the world ‘ just on the strength of her wonderful personality and charm 🙄
The court case could go either way- either she’s shown as a liar, or maybe their will be an outpouring of sympathy for her because people are mistakenly merging what happened to Diana with how badly they feel they have been treated in the very short period she has been part of ‘the firm’.
I’m sick of reading ‘ the press killed Diana’. A drunk driver killed Diana!
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 18, 2020 20:54:41 GMT
They may have chosen to drop HRH rather than risk it being taken away . Will people still be interested in them without the royal connection, I wonder? I think she’s so arrogant she thinks they are going to make their fortunes and ‘change the world ‘ just on the strength of her wonderful personality and charm 🙄 The court case could go either way- either she’s shown as a liar, or maybe their will be an outpouring of sympathy for her because people are mistakenly merging what happened to Diana with how badly they feel they have been treated in the very short period she has been part of ‘the firm’. I’m sick of reading ‘ the press killed Diana’. A drunk driver killed Diana! In addition to a lack of seatbelts and a French EMS system that spends more time treating patients at the scene of an accident than scooping them up and racing them to the ER.
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 18, 2020 20:59:19 GMT
Small question for the UK Peas: Does the dropping of HRH titles mean that people will no longer have to curtsy to them? Or was that a requirement anyway?
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 18, 2020 21:01:41 GMT
They may have chosen to drop HRH rather than risk it being taken away . Will people still be interested in them without the royal connection, I wonder? I think she’s so arrogant she thinks they are going to make their fortunes and ‘change the world ‘ just on the strength of her wonderful personality and charm 🙄 The court case could go either way- either she’s shown as a liar, or maybe their will be an outpouring of sympathy for her because people are mistakenly merging what happened to Diana with how badly they feel they have been treated in the very short period she has been part of ‘the firm’. I’m sick of reading ‘ the press killed Diana’. A drunk driver killed Diana! What court case?
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Post by MichyM on Jan 18, 2020 21:04:21 GMT
I think she’s so arrogant she thinks they are going to make their fortunes and ‘change the world ‘ just on the strength of her wonderful personality and charm 🙄 Please be kind, this question is coming from someone who doesn't follow the Royals at all. What makes you say that Meghan is arrogant?
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Post by wellway on Jan 18, 2020 21:14:34 GMT
They may have chosen to drop HRH rather than risk it being taken away . Will people still be interested in them without the royal connection, I wonder? I think she’s so arrogant she thinks they are going to make their fortunes and ‘change the world ‘ just on the strength of her wonderful personality and charm 🙄 The court case could go either way- either she’s shown as a liar, or maybe their will be an outpouring of sympathy for her because people are mistakenly merging what happened to Diana with how badly they feel they have been treated in the very short period she has been part of ‘the firm’. I’m sick of reading ‘ the press killed Diana’. A drunk driver killed Diana! What court case? Between Meghan and a newspaper for printing letters she sent to her father. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51109538
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 18, 2020 21:17:33 GMT
Oh! Thank you. I forgot about that.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 18, 2020 21:41:58 GMT
I believe the consensus is they are not giving up the duchy money from dear old dad. I’d be more impressed if they actually gave up all their titles and lived on the millions they currently have. I think they handled this badly. I don’t know if it’s stupidity or arrogance or a little of both but I’m not going to be able to take them seriously. Even the Kardashians have more public savvy than these two.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 18, 2020 21:47:01 GMT
Small question for the UK Peas: Does the dropping of HRH titles mean that people will no longer have to curtsy to them? Or was that a requirement anyway? Yes. People will no longer curtsy to them.
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Post by zella on Jan 18, 2020 22:35:56 GMT
I can't help feeling that if they are giving up being part of the firm, they should have no title. No Duke or Duchess. Particularly since this was their wish, not something that happened due to divorce for example.
I just knew Meghan wouldn't be able to handle the Royal Family.It's difficult for a Brit to cope with, someone who's grown up with the institution. For a foreigner? And a semi-famous one at that who is very much used to independence? Next to impossible.
It's being played almost as though Harry wanted out, and Meghan was the way for him to get out. That may be true too.
I'm no fan of the firm, so I guess I don't care one way or another. But I am not remotely surprised at this outcome.
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Post by gar on Jan 18, 2020 22:49:40 GMT
I can't help feeling that if they are giving up being part of the firm, they should have no title. No Duke or Duchess. Particularly since this was their wish, not something that happened due to divorce for example. I just knew Meghan wouldn't be able to handle the Royal Family.It's difficult for a Brit to cope with, someone who's grown up with the institution. For a foreigner? And a semi-famous one at that who is very much used to independence? Next to impossible. It's being played almost as though Harry wanted out, and Meghan was the way for him to get out. That may be true too. I'm no fan of the firm, so I guess I don't care one way or another. But I am not remotely surprised at this outcome. The Duke and Duchess titles were wedding presents - you can't take them away. He has relinquished all his military roles and I can't help but think that that in particular must have been hard for him to walk away from. I agree that it was hard for Meghan to have that inherent understanding of what it means to the Royal. Almost impossible. I don't agree with this at all. I just don't feel that that's the case.
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Post by gar on Jan 18, 2020 22:55:09 GMT
So they are out effectively - no half in half out after all.
I imagine that as far as the Queen is concerned, giving up on your duties is pretty much a betrayal, considering the way her father came to the throne.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 18, 2020 22:58:22 GMT
I can't help feeling that if they are giving up being part of the firm, they should have no title. No Duke or Duchess. Particularly since this was their wish, not something that happened due to divorce for example. I just knew Meghan wouldn't be able to handle the Royal Family.It's difficult for a Brit to cope with, someone who's grown up with the institution. For a foreigner? And a semi-famous one at that who is very much used to independence? Next to impossible. It's being played almost as though Harry wanted out, and Meghan was the way for him to get out. That may be true too. I'm no fan of the firm, so I guess I don't care one way or another. But I am not remotely surprised at this outcome. I mean, the king stepped away for Wallace Simpson and they still got to be duke and duchess. And that was a much bigger deal and he turned out to be a much bigger asshole.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jan 18, 2020 23:20:02 GMT
There are other non royal dukes. It seems right for them to lose the HRH though.
I wonder which side feels like it won?
I can't help thinking that if Harry and Meghan hadn't gotten married in such a rush, things would have worked out differently. I think she got in way over her head with the press attention, etc and couldn't deal with it. Kate and William`s long courtship allowed her time to adapt.
Sad to have a break in the family.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 18, 2020 23:27:23 GMT
It seems that they got what they wanted. They will still get money from Charles, they are free to live wherever they want, and are free to make money. It seems like a fair solution.
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Post by cycworker on Jan 18, 2020 23:29:23 GMT
Sorry, I'm 100% Team Sussex. If the palace had done more to support them & speak out against the racism Meghwn faced, this might not have happened. Good on Harry for protecting his wife,
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 18, 2020 23:30:51 GMT
There are other non royal dukes. It seems right for them to lose the HRH though. I wonder which side feels like it won? I can't help thinking that if Harry and Meghan hadn't gotten married in such a rush, things would have worked out differently. I think she got in way over her head with the press attention, etc and couldn't deal with it. Kate and William`s long courtship allowed her time to adapt. Sad to have a break in the family. To me (and actually, what do I know!) it seems that the Queen won. I didn't get the feeling from their first announcement that they intended it to go this far. They sort of wanted their cake and to eat it too and that isn't what they got. I'm wondering how much value that Sussex brand will actually have now with so many people angry at the way they handled things. I have always LOVED Harry, and I will admit feeling disappointed in him. I am a Monarchy lover (might come from having some Brit blood in me) and I think it would have been so lovely if they had hung in, Harry hadn't had this heartbreaking split from his brother, and the four of them had been good friends. They are all four simply beautiful people with so much charm and I am sad to see this happen. But I personally feel that the Queen--ever so politely--gave them back what they dished out and more.
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Post by Peal on Jan 18, 2020 23:36:06 GMT
So what does everything think will happen with Harry if they eventually divorce? Not because I buy into the idea that that is Meghan's long term con, marry the royal, have the royal baby, get all the things, then leave with half the things. Just that, marriage is hard and celebrity marriages seem to be harder. If they do split, will Harry be welcomed back into royal life with open arms and all rights and titles returned to him? Or is this final, he's out no matter what changes? Will it matter who is on the throne should this happen?
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jan 18, 2020 23:37:25 GMT
Sorry, I'm 100% Team Sussex. If the palace had done more to support them & speak out against the racism Meghwn faced, this might not have happened. Good on Harry for protecting his wife, Yeah, I’m still there. Just because you fall in love and marry, doesn’t mean you should just accept constant worldwide humiliation.
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Post by vspindler on Jan 18, 2020 23:39:38 GMT
I am something of an Anglophile (when I was young I even had a necklace that was modeled after Diana’s ring) and their initial announcement disappointed me greatly. I actually feel in light of their decision that losing the HRH is probably the right call.
I just really hope that should the marriage end in divorce (let’s face it, in this day and age it is a consideration) that Harry doesn’t regret it.
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Post by cycworker on Jan 18, 2020 23:43:07 GMT
There are other non royal dukes. It seems right for them to lose the HRH though. I wonder which side feels like it won? I can't help thinking that if Harry and Meghan hadn't gotten married in such a rush, things would have worked out differently. I think she got in way over her head with the press attention, etc and couldn't deal with it. Kate and William`s long courtship allowed her time to adapt. Sad to have a break in the family. To me (and actually, what do I know!) it seems that the Queen won. I didn't get the feeling from their first announcement that they intended it to go this far. They sort of wanted their cake and to eat it too and that isn't what they got. I'm wondering how much value that Sussex brand will actually have now with so many people angry at the way they handled things. I have always LOVED Harry, and I will admit feeling disappointed in him. I am a Monarchy lover (might come from having some Brit blood in me) and I think it would have been so lovely if they had hung in, Harry hadn't had this heartbreaking split from his brother, and the four of them had been good friends. They are all four simply beautiful people with so much charm and I am sad to see this happen. But I personally feel that the Queen--ever so politely--gave them back what they dished out and more. The split between the brothers is William's fault. I've lost all respect for him. His mother is likely turning in her grave, as the saying goes. Such a disappointment.
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 18, 2020 23:50:52 GMT
To me (and actually, what do I know!) it seems that the Queen won. I didn't get the feeling from their first announcement that they intended it to go this far. They sort of wanted their cake and to eat it too and that isn't what they got. I'm wondering how much value that Sussex brand will actually have now with so many people angry at the way they handled things. I have always LOVED Harry, and I will admit feeling disappointed in him. I am a Monarchy lover (might come from having some Brit blood in me) and I think it would have been so lovely if they had hung in, Harry hadn't had this heartbreaking split from his brother, and the four of them had been good friends. They are all four simply beautiful people with so much charm and I am sad to see this happen. But I personally feel that the Queen--ever so politely--gave them back what they dished out and more. The split between the brothers is William's fault. I've lost all respect for him. His mother is likely turning in her grave, as the saying goes. Such a disappointment. How is it William's fault? I must have missed this. All the information I've seen is that he tried to caution Harry that he was moving too fast with Meghan and Harry got angry. Seems like a very brotherly thing to do to me and I actually agree with William. on that.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jan 18, 2020 23:52:07 GMT
I read Harry also inherited money from his mothers trust as well. They’re not going to be panhandling for money.
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Post by gar on Jan 18, 2020 23:54:13 GMT
The split between the brothers is William's fault. Open to interpretation if you mean their reported row over Meghan. just accept constant worldwide humiliation. Mild exaggeration maybe?? If they do split, will Harry be welcomed back into royal life with open arms and all rights and titles returned to him? Or is this final, he's out no matter what changes? Will it matter who is on the throne should this happen? It's being interpreted as final but obviously at the moment that's referring to them as a couple. Right now I feel sorry for Harry. How has it all gone so wrong? I can’t believe he isn’t torn over this...having lost his mother so young he’s now walking away from his family. I hope it doesn’t ever come back to bite him.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 19, 2020 0:32:11 GMT
To me (and actually, what do I know!) it seems that the Queen won. I didn't get the feeling from their first announcement that they intended it to go this far. They sort of wanted their cake and to eat it too and that isn't what they got. I'm wondering how much value that Sussex brand will actually have now with so many people angry at the way they handled things. I have always LOVED Harry, and I will admit feeling disappointed in him. I am a Monarchy lover (might come from having some Brit blood in me) and I think it would have been so lovely if they had hung in, Harry hadn't had this heartbreaking split from his brother, and the four of them had been good friends. They are all four simply beautiful people with so much charm and I am sad to see this happen. But I personally feel that the Queen--ever so politely--gave them back what they dished out and more. The split between the brothers is William's fault. I've lost all respect for him. His mother is likely turning in her grave, as the saying goes. Such a disappointment. For telling his brother not to jump into marriage with a woman he hardly knew when both William and Harry knew what royal life was truly like? Kate got a lot of flack for being "Waity Katie," but at least she was well aware of what was facing her. If Harry had felt the same level of concern for Meghan, he should have waited. Honestly, based on interviews he's given, I think Harry got what he wanted before he met Meghan. At least now he has a scapegoat.
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