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Post by jubejubes on Jan 10, 2020 0:35:46 GMT
That is what makes it so strange.One would have expected others to have reported it too. I don't think it's particularly newsworthy on it's own, especially with the bigger story of what his parents are doing. The only thing that makes it interesting (if true) is that is lets us know that Meghan will be returning to Canada very quickly and potentially starting to live somewhere other than England much sooner than we first thought...otherwise why wouldn't she have just bought the baby back with her? Surely if in the short term they were planning to keep living at Frogmore cottage Archie would have come back with them. It only makes sense if she's saving Archie from having to make two plane trips. No, if he's still there, then she'll be going back there ASAP and starting the "not living in England full-time"" part. It's likely that they've found someone to live already and Meghan will stay there with Archie and perhaps Harry will travel back and forth a bit while the royal "separation" gets sorted out. I don't think they would have made the announcement in the way they did if they weren't ready to act on it immediately. Please read my post on CDN viewpoint ... The writer has great insight into the many issues, one of them being that neither is Canadian and also about Canada's governing system.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 10, 2020 0:44:26 GMT
he writer has great insight into the many issues, one of them being that neither is Canadian and also about Canada's governing system. I didn't say they were going to live in Canada - I said she'd be going back there to be with their son ASAP, and then speculated that they might start living "somewhere other than England" The whole Canada thing could be a smoke screen, but they made it clear that their intention is to not live in England full-time, and the way this is all going it seems they made have made some plans for this to happen sooner rather than later. Where exactly they will live, no-one knows at this point.
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Post by jubejubes on Jan 10, 2020 0:49:46 GMT
he writer has great insight into the many issues, one of them being that neither is Canadian and also about Canada's governing system. I didn't say they were going to live in Canada - I said she'd be going back there to be with their son ASAP, and then speculated that they might start living "somewhere other than England" The whole Canada thing could be a smoke screen, but they made it clear that their intention is to not live in England full-time, and the way this is all going it seems they made have made some plans for this to happen sooner rather than later. Where exactly they will live, no-one knows at this point. www.ctvnews.ca/world/reading-between-the-lines-what-the-royal-statements-really-mean-1.4760221I do understand what you were saying. The link above or read my other post to give more insight into other issues with what the couple proposes to do. It is an interesting read, written by a person who know a lot about Royal life. Enjoy!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 0:50:50 GMT
How long for I don't know but the BBC confirmed that she had returned. OK, there you go then! The reports were right. ...but surely she won't just go and pick him up and return to the UK in a few days?...what would have been the point of doing that? The only thing that makes sense is if she's (or they're) planning to stay away from the UK for a little while yet. Prince Harry is still here and I have no idea whether Archie was with her or not or how long she's gone for. So no, the report doesn't confirm that the story that they were reporting on can be proven. No one else has reported it. As you say with all this going on and the accusation that the press in this country is following her everywhere, you would at least think that one of them would have taken the story on board. Even if it were true, my opinion still stands about People.com
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Post by pjaye on Jan 10, 2020 0:56:37 GMT
I have no idea whether Archie was with her or not or how long she's gone for. So no, the report doesn't confirm that the story Well, it does really...based on logic. What wife would fly out and leave her husband behind to face this mess alone? The only logical reason for her to go back to Canada so quickly while all this is blowing up - is to be with their child.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 0:57:19 GMT
I had some questions / comments after reading all of the details in the link to People, but I read all of the comments here first, in case it was already addressed. I have to say, there's a whole lot of speculation and judgment here, considering not one person here seems to actually 'know' more than they have read in various media sites. It's a little wild, no matter which side your own. I find it fascinating that as a part of the Royal Rota they are required to give exclusive access and photos - can't even release them themselves in some cases - to tabloids that were then able to sell their photos for profit. Some of the very tabloids that helped contribute to the death of his mother and now attack his wife. I can't imagine living that life. I appreciate the locals that understand the Monarchy better than the rest of us and are trying to help educate us! It's very interesting. Confusing, but interesting. That isn't actually how the ROTA works. I've explained how the ROTA works in an earlier post. Where did you read the part I bolded about the tabloids selling photos for profit?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 1:09:03 GMT
I have no idea whether Archie was with her or not or how long she's gone for. So no, the report doesn't confirm that the story Well, it does really...based on logic. What wife would fly out and leave her husband behind to face this mess alone? The only logical reason for her to go back to Canada so quickly while all this is blowing up - is to be with their child. You seem to have twisted it all to get back to your own narrative. The poster earlier asked what the Brits though of Archie being left in Canada - she asked nothing at all about where they were going to live in the future. I replied that take what people.com says with a pinch of salt. It's just a gossip mag. That was the only website I could see that Archie had being reported on as being left in Canada. To be honest I couldn't care a hoot at what else was covered in the article so I wasn't commenting on the rest of the article at all. But you carry one, no one is stopping you but don't expect any more input from me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 1:38:07 GMT
I don't have a dog in the fight but I think that the right thing would have been to wait until Queen Elizabeth passes on. The woman has sacrificed her entire life all because someone else in the family stepped down. Harry wasn't in line so it doesn't have the same effect but he easily could have asked to scale back their commitments to almost nothing right now and then told his father that he intended to step away from their roles and managed it in a better way when his father takes the crown. From what I have heard, Charles intended to reduce family roles in the future anyway so it would have been a simple transition for everyone.
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Post by MichyM on Jan 10, 2020 1:50:03 GMT
I’m not a royals watcher (pardon my ignorance), but I’ve read this entire thread. After reading here that Meghan has headed back to Canada, what she and Harry have done feels like a big eff you to his family. And she got to figuratively poop and run. I understand that apparently their dissatisfaction was likely cumulative, I can’t help but wonder, why now, and in this manner? Did something particularly awful happen recently, or were they just impatient to have it over with, or....? I can’t imagine that they could have fooled themselves into thinking that this would just miraculously go smoothly. So many questions. Scratches head.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 10, 2020 2:03:30 GMT
I missed checking in with the Peas yesterday (had a migraine) and just got to this thread. I just finished reading all 7 pages and Wow! Did I miss a lot.
Here are my feelings: I totally understand Prince Harry and Meghan feeling the need to be modern "royalists" or whatever term you want to call it and forging their own future BUT (it's a big but and I'm not yelling) in my opinion, given their station in life they should not have gone behind the Queen's back and Prince Charles' and gone ahead and published what they did. When Harry asked for permission from the Queen he was told to write something out and to first get it approved by Prince Charles' and the Queen. (I could be getting my facts wrong but that's the gist of it-my brain is still recovering). When his attempt didn't get approved Charles said it wasn't clear enough, to try again. What happened next? Well, we really don't know, do we? Did Harry try again to rewrite it or did they (Harry and Meghan) decide it was good enough? What we do know that happened was that they got notice that the plan was going to be published in the press the next day. Who leaked it?
My biggest problem is what they did after finding out the statement would be published in the press the next day. In my opinion they should have immidiately gone to the Queen and Prince Charles' and given them the heads up by telling them everything that they'd heard. By keeping silent and knowing it was going to be published the next day to me it feels as though they acted as teens who's parents told them "Ask your father" then "Ask your mother" then not getting the answer they wanted they went ahead and just did what they wanted. Yes I know they didn't actually publish the piece and the press did-but what they did do was not tell the Queen or Prince Charles when they in fact knew it was coming. Could the Queen or Prince Charles' have done anything during the time left before the published piece hit the stands? Probably not. Once it's out, it's out. But to not let the Queen know is to me such a lack of respect! Yes, she is Harry's grandmother, but she's also the Queen. She should have know ahead of time and they should have been the ones to tell her as soon as they found out.
This published statement is more than them not accepting ROTA or the 5% or whatever else they are giving up. This is, in my opinion, like throwing a stick in a cyclist's wheel of the monoarchy. You don't do a huge step like this without the Queen's approval and blessing first. No matter who you are in the line of succession. If that had been done first I'd be giving them my whole hearted blessing and approval. Because it went down like this I can't.
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Post by wordfish on Jan 10, 2020 2:05:45 GMT
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 10, 2020 2:19:44 GMT
I can't imagine how the Queen must feel. Her entire life changed because her uncle walked away from his responsibility, and then to see her grandson do the same thing? I’m an American so I’m having trouble understanding this. He’s sixth in line for the throne, right? If the Queen has a grandson doing the same as her uncle, wouldn’t that mean William was the one leaving the fold? If Harry gives up his title is that really the same as a sitting king abdicating the throne? That’s what this comment suggests to me, an uninformed outsider. It's abdicating his responsibility to his family, his country, and the Crown.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 10, 2020 2:49:06 GMT
I'm thinking now it could have very well been Prince Harry and Meghan who leaked the announcement to the press. Why? Think about it. They had everything lined up to go. They had their website finished, and ready to be up. Basically all they needed to do was hit the Go button on that one. Perfect timing on that one. Almost too perfect. They didn't get the answer they wanted when they asked Prince Charles' for his approval after Harry wrote up the announcement so they had a choice. Reading the last article mentioned that Prince Charles and the Queen (I think this is what it said) were willing to get together with them in a month to iron some of their ideas to make it work but instead of waiting they decided (my speculation here) for whatever reason they didn't want to wait. So I think they leaked it to the press and that's why they didn't tell the Queen or Prince Charles before it appeared in the press.
This is 100% pure speculation on my part, but to my logical mind it makes sense to me. Of course I know nothing about the Royals so I could be totally wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by papersilly on Jan 10, 2020 3:06:15 GMT
Give it a moment and they will blame all this on Meghan. They’ll say she turned him against his Royal family. She’s the outsider... he was a team player before she came along..... those dang Americans with their ideas of independence....
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Post by andreasmom on Jan 10, 2020 3:07:44 GMT
I’m an American so I’m having trouble understanding this. He’s sixth in line for the throne, right? If the Queen has a grandson doing the same as her uncle, wouldn’t that mean William was the one leaving the fold? If Harry gives up his title is that really the same as a sitting king abdicating the throne? That’s what this comment suggests to me, an uninformed outsider. It's abdicating his responsibility to his family, his country, and the Crown. Yes, the Queen has given her whole life to serve her country. Always putting duty over her needs or wants. While I understand why Harry and Megan are doing this, they should’ve used the established protocol/wait times as a sign of respect to his grandmother and Queen (in that order).
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 10, 2020 3:20:45 GMT
I don't have a dog in the fight but I think that the right thing would have been to wait until Queen Elizabeth passes on. She's a healthy 94 and her mother lived to be 101. Harry was only 12 when he lost his mother. I understand why they are doing it now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 3:56:11 GMT
I don't have a dog in the fight but I think that the right thing would have been to wait until Queen Elizabeth passes on. She's a healthy 94 and her mother lived to be 101. Harry was only 12 when he lost his mother. I understand why they are doing it now. Her mother didn't rule until her death or at all for that matter. She may be a *healthy 94* but realistically how many other 94 year olds do you know that keep the type of schedule and responsibility that she does. Literally no one. She is far past normal life expectancy. I wish her many more healthy and productive years but Harry could have easily demanded that their responsibilities be put on hold due to the young age of their child and waited out the very few years that she has left. I don't care on bit if he were to walk out on Charles against his wishes but that woman has served her entire adult life all because someone did the very thing that Harry wants to do. As if she didn't have enough on her vintage plate with all of the Brexit issues, change of government, and Andrew's disgrace and possible legal issues.
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Post by cindytred on Jan 10, 2020 4:06:22 GMT
I’m not a royals watcher (pardon my ignorance), but I’ve read this entire thread. After reading here that Meghan has headed back to Canada, what she and Harry have done feels like a big eff you to his family. And she got to figuratively poop and run. I understand that apparently their dissatisfaction was likely cumulative, I can’t help but wonder, why now, and in this manner? Did something particularly awful happen recently, or were they just impatient to have it over with, or....? I can’t imagine that they could have fooled themselves into thinking that this would just miraculously go smoothly. So many questions. Scratches head. I am a royal watcher. I have recently read that the Queen was threatening/thinking about taking custody of Archie. I know the gossip magazines will write anything - but more often than not there is a smidgen of truth to what they write. Thinking out loud here - but maybe this is why H&M left Archie in Canada. Cindy
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Post by cindytred on Jan 10, 2020 4:16:51 GMT
Give it a moment and they will blame all this on Meghan. They’ll say she turned him against his Royal family. She’s the outsider... he was a team player before she came along..... those dang Americans with their ideas of independence.... If they do - I'll agree with them. Cindy
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Post by pilcas on Jan 10, 2020 5:01:53 GMT
I seem to be really of of the loop here. I need to go back to page one.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 10, 2020 5:48:54 GMT
I’m not a royals watcher (pardon my ignorance), but I’ve read this entire thread. After reading here that Meghan has headed back to Canada, what she and Harry have done feels like a big eff you to his family. And she got to figuratively poop and run. I understand that apparently their dissatisfaction was likely cumulative, I can’t help but wonder, why now, and in this manner? Did something particularly awful happen recently, or were they just impatient to have it over with, or....? I can’t imagine that they could have fooled themselves into thinking that this would just miraculously go smoothly. So many questions. Scratches head. I am a royal watcher. I have recently read that the Queen was threatening/thinking about taking custody of Archie. I know the gossip magazines will write anything - but more often than not there is a smidgen of truth to what they write. Thinking out loud here - but maybe this is why H&M left Archie in Canada. Cindy Why on earth would a 94 year old woman want to take custody of an infant??
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Post by dewryce on Jan 10, 2020 7:27:22 GMT
I don't have a dog in the fight but I think that the right thing would have been to wait until Queen Elizabeth passes on. The woman has sacrificed her entire life all because someone else in the family stepped down. Harry wasn't in line so it doesn't have the same effect but he easily could have asked to scale back their commitments to almost nothing right now and then told his father that he intended to step away from their roles and managed it in a better way when his father takes the crown. From what I have heard, Charles intended to reduce family roles in the future anyway so it would have been a simple transition for everyone. I understand what you’re saying, and normally I might agree. But she has been treated horribly by the press and they even referred to Archie as a monkey. And from what I have seen no public support from the family regarding the racist attacks. Andrew was besties with a pedophile and seemingly credibly accused himself and he got a ride to church with his mom as her show of support for him. If that was my family? Royal or not. On top of Harry being used as the scapegoat by his family his entire life, now they want to use his family? Ha! No. See ya. eta: I need to correct myself here, I remember Meghan getting to ride in the carriage with The Queen to some horse show, and it seems it came at a rough time for her. Whether that was preplanned or not, I’m not sure but it is possible that was TQ supporting her. I still firmly believe that if my family remained radio silent while my husband was publicly attacked like that, I’ve got my husband’s back every time. There is no way I would ask him to wait it out until someone in my family passed or even stepped back from public life.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 10, 2020 7:32:43 GMT
Give it a moment and they will blame all this on Meghan. They’ll say she turned him against his Royal family. She’s the outsider... he was a team player before she came along..... those dang Americans with their ideas of independence.... If they do - I'll agree with them. Cindy Why? Harry is a grown man, completely capable of making decisions on his own. He played the game (though not always happily) until the horrible attacks started against his wife. I think we all saw how besotted he was/is with her. If your family just stood by and watched all this go down without supporting you or your spouse would you want to continue to play the game for them? Especially if word is true that KP is behind some of the leaks.
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Post by uksue on Jan 10, 2020 7:47:18 GMT
I Think Harry is making a huge mistake . I think he feels like the 5th wheel- and the photo before Christmas of the Queen, princes Charles William and young Prince George only confirms that in his mind .
What he’s done in announcing after being asked to wait was selfish and smacks of when he was a hedonistic bachelor . I don’t think she’ll still be with him in 5 years, but you only get one birth family! They should renounce their titles in my opinion .
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Post by gar on Jan 10, 2020 7:57:35 GMT
Give it a moment and they will blame all this on Meghan. They’ll say she turned him against his Royal family. She’s the outsider... he was a team player before she came along..... those dang Americans with their ideas of independence.... It's really not about 'independence' though. Being a Royal and being independent are tricky things to juggle but it's possible as other royals further from the heart of the family have shown. It just has to be done in the right way so as not to appear to be saying 'up yours' and not to hurt those who Harry should respect - particularly the Queen if no one else.
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Post by gar on Jan 10, 2020 7:59:06 GMT
I have recently read that the Queen was threatening/thinking about taking custody of Archie. I know the gossip magazines will write anything - but more often than not there is a smidgen of truth to what they write. Thinking out loud here - but maybe this is why H&M left Archie in Canada. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 8:38:44 GMT
I’m not a royals watcher (pardon my ignorance), but I’ve read this entire thread. After reading here that Meghan has headed back to Canada, what she and Harry have done feels like a big eff you to his family. And she got to figuratively poop and run. I understand that apparently their dissatisfaction was likely cumulative, I can’t help but wonder, why now, and in this manner? Did something particularly awful happen recently, or were they just impatient to have it over with, or....? I can’t imagine that they could have fooled themselves into thinking that this would just miraculously go smoothly. So many questions. Scratches head. I am a royal watcher. I have recently read that the Queen was threatening/thinking about taking custody of Archie. I know the gossip magazines will write anything - but more often than not there is a smidgen of truth to what they write. Thinking out loud here - but maybe this is why H&M left Archie in Canada. Cindy Don't be so bloody ridiculous what do you take her as ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/angry.jpg.gif)
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Post by gillyp on Jan 10, 2020 9:02:39 GMT
I’m not a royals watcher (pardon my ignorance), but I’ve read this entire thread. After reading here that Meghan has headed back to Canada, what she and Harry have done feels like a big eff you to his family. And she got to figuratively poop and run. I understand that apparently their dissatisfaction was likely cumulative, I can’t help but wonder, why now, and in this manner? Did something particularly awful happen recently, or were they just impatient to have it over with, or....? I can’t imagine that they could have fooled themselves into thinking that this would just miraculously go smoothly. So many questions. Scratches head. I am a royal watcher. I have recently read that the Queen was threatening/thinking about taking custody of Archie. I know the gossip magazines will write anything - but more often than not there is a smidgen of truth to what they write. Thinking out loud here - but maybe this is why H&M left Archie in Canada. Cindy Oh man, that has given me a laugh! They’ll be saying Her Majesty is screaming “off with his head” next! cindytred I’m not laughing at you for posting what you read but I think all U.K./Commonwealth Peas here will agree it’s a most ridiculous hypothesis. I admit to being galled that Meghan has left Harry to face this alone. The two of them are in this together and should deal with it together, in person imo. The reports are that Archie was left behind because they didn’t want him to suffer with jet lag by flying twice in 5 days so the couple never planned on staying here long anyway and it appears Harry is only still here to carry out an official engagement next week. I think they will have lost a lot of support now by Meghan leaving. Re that photo of the Queen and the 3 princes, Harry wouldn’t have thought anything of that imo. He would recognise it to be a monarch and 3 heirs not a family group. Re leaving it till The Queen passes, I considered that yesterday. She is a remarkable woman and may be with us for another 10 years if we are lucky. 10 years to have to wait to get your own life underway is a long time when you are in your mid/late 30s. Harry will have seen his father waiting to be King. And waiting to be King. And waiting to be King. I get that Harry is ready to go NOW but I so wish it had not been done in this manner. Thank heavens the Queen Mum is not with us and I wonder how much The Duke of Edinburgh knows. Probably everything as if the family haven’t told him he will have seen the news reports
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 9:05:47 GMT
If they do - I'll agree with them. Cindy Why? Harry is a grown man, completely capable of making decisions on his own. He played the game (though not always happily) until the horrible attacks started against his wife. I think we all saw how besotted he was/is with her. If your family just stood by and watched all this go down without supporting you or your spouse would you want to continue to play the game for them? Especially if word is true that KP is behind some of the leaks. With all due respects dewryce you're making quite a few assumptions here based on hear say/media reports. Being part of our constitutional monarchy isn't a game so no, he didn't need to play any game while he was growing up. In fact he was very well protected. It's on record, straight from Prince Harry himself that it was Prince William who spent a long time persuading him to finally get professional help to deal with his mother's death. It was Prince Charles that stepped in when Meghan's own father let her down at the last minute for her wedding. They were both fully supported by the Palace when Harry issued that letter to the press before they got married. There are a lot of other times that has been evident of support along the way too. No, I don't think he's been let down by his family. I do think that they need to seriously think who their friends are though - who is loyal and who is there riding on their backs because of who they are. The ones speaking to the press about things like " the snub to the RF by spending Christmas away from Sandringham" There was nothing unusual for them in choosing to do so. Prince William does it every other year, spending alternative Christmases with the Middletons. Their " friend's" comment about the photo that was released at of four generations of succession to the throne. What was wrong with that I have photos of four generation, I didn't feel the need to include my DD's cousin in my four generation photo.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 10, 2020 9:07:28 GMT
I’m not a royals watcher (pardon my ignorance), but I’ve read this entire thread. After reading here that Meghan has headed back to Canada, what she and Harry have done feels like a big eff you to his family. And she got to figuratively poop and run. I understand that apparently their dissatisfaction was likely cumulative, I can’t help but wonder, why now, and in this manner? Did something particularly awful happen recently, or were they just impatient to have it over with, or....? I can’t imagine that they could have fooled themselves into thinking that this would just miraculously go smoothly. So many questions. Scratches head. 👆🏻This. I wonder as well.
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