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Post by Olan on Jan 26, 2020 13:28:15 GMT
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Post by mom on Jan 26, 2020 14:46:06 GMT
Im not sure if you think it was appropriate or not, Olan , but I think he crossed a line. While I understand that the African American vote is a must to win the Election, I think wearing a choir robe and singing in the choir is just wrong. Want to host a rally in Black neighborhoods? Awesome. Want to visit colleges? Again, awesome. But to insert yourself into someone's Church practices so you can get a vote is wrong, no matter what color you are. |
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Post by Olan on Jan 26, 2020 15:12:37 GMT
I think Black people are used to sifting through the lack of authenticity when it comes to political candidates...Yang isn’t the first and won’t be the last. My only gripe is how welcoming black churches are full-stop. Someone had to hand him the robe *shrugs* and accept him request to visit. It’s time for black people to ensure a candidate really DESERVES the black vote.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 26, 2020 15:29:48 GMT
On the one hand I felt so cringey and yikesy watching him, but then I had to stop and think "Is it MY place as a white woman who is not a member of this church to judge this?"
Would I have put on the robe? Hell no. I'm not a member of that choir and I didn't earn that space. Participate, enjoy, celebrate, be in community with folks, sure. But that just felt weird to watch.
Though, I don't think I'm the one who gets to make that judgement call.
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Post by Olan on Jan 26, 2020 15:42:56 GMT
On the one hand I felt so cringey and yikesy watching him, but then I had to stop and think "Is it MY place as a white woman who is not a member of this church to judge this?" Would I have put on the robe? Hell no. I'm not a member of that choir and I didn't earn that space. Participate, enjoy, celebrate, be in community with folks, sure. But that just felt weird to watch. Though, I don't think I'm the one who gets to make that judgement call. Cringe worthy no doubt. Though he took a page from Melanie’s guidebook and wore the robe like a cape so that brings the cringe factor down to a laughable level. |
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 26, 2020 16:15:54 GMT
I have not read anything else about it, but from the article, "The choir invited Yang to sing with them, she said. One of its members offered him a red and blue robe. So Yang -- a candidate who has crowdsurfed and stuffed whipped cream in volunteers' faces -- did what he does. He joined in."
Assuming this is accurate and the choir really did invite him, and really were the ones who gave him the robe, then I think most people would have found it rude to reject - and he probably would have gotten flack for doing so. If the joining in and the choir robe were brought on by his staff or something, then it's inappropriate.
However, I think the bigger issue is why was he there, what did he say, who did he talk with. Those are the key issues in determining whether this was pandering or not, to me. Showing up for a pure photo op is pandering, but really talking with people changes that, even though of course it's part of campaigning - and since I haven't looked further into the appearance, I don't have an opinion on whether he was pandering or just participating, except to say that I do think in general, this particular candidate tries to be authentic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 16:24:22 GMT
IMO so what?
All politicians want everyone to feel he or she is one of them, that they understand their needs. That is what they do. And if you are a Democrat, like the video said, you visit churches in the black community.
In watching the video , with the exception of President Obama, the other visitors almost seemed like “Yea we have to be here, let’s do this but let’s don’t mess up”.
While Yang got in to it, he didn’t have that put upon expression. He wanted to be there. Learning. Experiencing. Observing.
And I don’t see that as a bad thing. IMO.
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Post by Olan on Jan 26, 2020 16:43:47 GMT
I have not read anything else about it, but from the article, "The choir invited Yang to sing with them, she said. One of its members offered him a red and blue robe. So Yang -- a candidate who has crowdsurfed and stuffed whipped cream in volunteers' faces -- did what he does. He joined in." Assuming this is accurate and the choir really did invite him, and really were the ones who gave him the robe, then I think most people would have found it rude to reject - and he probably would have gotten flack for doing so. If the joining in and the choir robe were brought on by his staff or something, then it's inappropriate. However, I think the bigger issue is why was he there, what did he say, who did he talk with. Those are the key issues in determining whether this was pandering or not, to me. Showing up for a pure photo op is pandering, but really talking with people changes that, even though of course it's part of campaigning - and since I haven't looked further into the appearance, I don't have an opinion on whether he was pandering or just participating, except to say that I do think in general, this particular candidate tries to be authentic. I agree. Someone handed him the robe and invited him to join the choir, rejecting their invite would have made him look slightly worse than his little choir performance. I won’t speak to his authenticity in general. At least he isn’t pretending to be a devoted Christian. |
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Post by mom on Jan 26, 2020 18:29:17 GMT
I have not read anything else about it, but from the article, "The choir invited Yang to sing with them, she said. One of its members offered him a red and blue robe. So Yang -- a candidate who has crowdsurfed and stuffed whipped cream in volunteers' faces -- did what he does. He joined in." Assuming this is accurate and the choir really did invite him, and really were the ones who gave him the robe, then I think most people would have found it rude to reject - and he probably would have gotten flack for doing so. If the joining in and the choir robe were brought on by his staff or something, then it's inappropriate. However, I think the bigger issue is why was he there, what did he say, who did he talk with. Those are the key issues in determining whether this was pandering or not, to me. Showing up for a pure photo op is pandering, but really talking with people changes that, even though of course it's part of campaigning - and since I haven't looked further into the appearance, I don't have an opinion on whether he was pandering or just participating, except to say that I do think in general, this particular candidate tries to be authentic. I guess my issue is that he (and all the others, I am assuming) are there in the first place. I don't want political candidates at my church, doing whatever it is they do. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 26, 2020 18:32:36 GMT
Showing up for a pure photo op is pandering, but really talking with people changes that, even though of course it's part of campaigning - and since I haven't looked further into the appearance, I don't have an opinion on whether he was pandering or just participating, except to say that I do think in general, this particular candidate tries to be authentic. I think that a short personal cell phone video is nowhere near a photo op! Yang and the people he is with all around the country seem to enjoy themselves together. |
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Post by jenjie on Jan 26, 2020 19:15:04 GMT
All I can think, I didn’t know politicians visited churches on the campaign trail. I have belonged to 3 churches in life. There has never been a politician speak from the pulpit and the pastors don’t encourage people to vote for any particular person or party. During presidential elections, there are papers available that include the main issues and where each candidate stands on them. People are encouraged to pray and exercise their right to vote.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 26, 2020 23:00:51 GMT
All I can think, I didn’t know politicians visited churches on the campaign trail. I have belonged to 3 churches in life. There has never been a politician speak from the pulpit and the pastors don’t encourage people to vote for any particular person or party. During presidential elections, there are papers available that include the main issues and where each candidate stands on them. People are encouraged to pray and exercise their right to vote. It's where they find groups of people on Sundays, particularly in the morning!  |
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