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Post by kernriver on Jan 27, 2020 2:06:47 GMT
He may have been instrumented rated but hadn’t filed a instrument flight rules plan. He was flying visual flight rules. However, he couldn’t see so that didn’t work out.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jan 27, 2020 2:16:25 GMT
So much speculation and make-believe interspersed with comments about why the press/media rushes to report before facts are known. Hmmmm... It would seem to be ‘catching.’
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Post by malibou on Jan 27, 2020 2:32:42 GMT
He was on his way to a tournament in my town. Our weather was strange today. I wonder if he was trying to fly below the cloud cover and got too low, thus striking part of the Santa Monica Mountains.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jan 27, 2020 4:31:26 GMT
NINE on board that helicopter....NINE!! The helicopter was a Sikorsky S-76B and could carry 13 passengers. It was a large helicopter. It's used sometimes to fly crew to/from some of the oil rigs. I suspect the finding will be a combination of weather issues and pilot error. Very sad day for the families of all the victims who are left behind to deal with this tragedy.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Jan 27, 2020 7:28:03 GMT
When boyfriend told me (through an article he took a screenshot of and texted me it even though he was standing right next to me) I felt struck by it. I don't know him at all and have no judgements or anything. I guess he's always been someone I've been curious about ever since I found out he's my Mayan twin. To be honest, at first, I wasn't quite fond of it. But it's grown on me, and since then I've always wondered who he really is at his core. And if he's experienced the same way I experience the world through these amazing connections, even if it were for just one brief moment. Maybe that's why it hit me because now I'll never know. I have yet to meet a Mayan twin of mine in person (at least that I'm aware of). I'm so sorry for his family and send them comfort and love.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 27, 2020 10:44:44 GMT
I have yet to meet a Mayan twin What is that??
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Post by jenjie on Jan 27, 2020 11:15:42 GMT
I just read that the coach and his wife who were also killed along with their daughter, have two more children. To lose a sibling plus both parents all at once...
Been praying for them, the Bryants, and the families of everyone onboard. 😢💔
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Post by littlemama on Jan 27, 2020 13:33:16 GMT
I think it is horrible that the families of 9 people found out that their loved ones were dead from TMZ.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 27, 2020 13:44:41 GMT
I think it is horrible that the families of 9 people found out that their loved ones were dead from TMZ. I agree. The sheriff said the same thing in the press conference.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 27, 2020 13:54:00 GMT
I think it is horrible that the families of 9 people found out that their loved ones were dead from TMZ. in the race to be first, the human element is often ignored. We may not have known who else was on the helicopter, but you know family members of the dead knew their family was with Kobe. My hearts go out to all of them.
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Post by jenjie on Jan 27, 2020 14:03:01 GMT
I think it is horrible that the families of 9 people found out that their loved ones were dead from TMZ. in the race to be first, the human element is often ignored. We may not have known who else was on the helicopter, but you know family members of the dead knew their family was with Kobe. My hearts go out to all of them. So true
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 14:11:10 GMT
I listened to a phone interview this morning with the surviving husband of one of the passengers. They asked how he was feeling and he said he was scared because he has no idea how to face the future with three small children at home with no mommy.
My heart breaks for all the families suffering from this tragedy.
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Post by busy on Jan 27, 2020 15:15:22 GMT
I think it is horrible that the families of 9 people found out that their loved ones were dead from TMZ. That’s actually not true. TMZ only reported Kobe, and supposed that was confirmed by family before they broke it. Then they reported Gianna, confirmed by Kobe’s reps. It was traditional media that misreported a lot of stuff, including names.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 27, 2020 15:19:24 GMT
I was not really a fan of his.. I'm just not into basketball that much and when the allegations came out it was huge news because the incident was in Colorado, where I live, so it was on the news ALL the time... I didn't like him from that incident but I didn't think much about it other than if I heard news about him, I usually tuned it out. He was very talented. I feel for his wife/kids/family and all the other families that are involved. No one deserves this kind of pain. Prayers for all involved.
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Post by amom23 on Jan 27, 2020 15:33:29 GMT
I think it is horrible that the families of 9 people found out that their loved ones were dead from TMZ. That’s actually not true. TMZ only reported Kobe, and supposed that was confirmed by family before they broke it. Then they reported Gianna, confirmed by Kobe’s reps. It was traditional media that misreported a lot of stuff, including names. Those other families knew their loved ones were on that same helicopter so I'm pretty sure they would have assumed the worst.
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Post by busy on Jan 27, 2020 15:51:39 GMT
That’s actually not true. TMZ only reported Kobe, and supposed that was confirmed by family before they broke it. Then they reported Gianna, confirmed by Kobe’s reps. It was traditional media that misreported a lot of stuff, including names. Those other families knew their loved ones were on that same helicopter so I'm pretty sure they would have assumed the worst. There's absolutely no chance that the death of a high profile person is not going to be reported until the other victims are all identified, in a situation like this, and that's not new. Too many people know and someone will tell immediately. It's always been that way with journalism but is accelerated now because the world is connected to the internet all the time. Not speculating on the other identities until they are confirmed and families are notified is the best that can be hoped for.
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Post by NanaKate on Jan 27, 2020 15:59:08 GMT
I've been around Two Peas long enough to know that people will bring up his history of sexual assault and infidelity immediately. It doesn't make his death less sad. Except it kind of does. This guy was an ass who cheated on his wife and family at BEST and a rapist in all probability. It’s perfectly ok for people to wonder why anyone he’s not related to would care about him or mourn his death. He’s a bad guy, not a hero. So why is anyone sad about this? Maybe because people are worth more than their biggest mistakes?
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Post by jenjie on Jan 27, 2020 16:11:08 GMT
I listened to a phone interview this morning with the surviving husband of one of the passengers. They asked how he was feeling and he said he was scared because he has no idea how to face the future with three small children at home with no mommy. My heart breaks for all the families suffering from this tragedy. 😭 so heartbreaking
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Post by Clair on Jan 27, 2020 16:29:04 GMT
He may have been instrumented rated but hadn’t filed a instrument flight rules plan. He was flying visual flight rules. However, he couldn’t see so that didn’t work out. This is what my family pilots think. Given the weather pilot was probably scud running which is quite dangerous. It’s a tragic accident and my heart breaks for everyone involved.
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Post by katlady on Jan 27, 2020 16:34:48 GMT
Most of the new stories today are focusing on why the helicopter was even flying given the poor visibility. Even LAPD grounded all their birds yesterday morning. Such a tragic mistake. 
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Post by questioning on Jan 27, 2020 17:07:15 GMT
Except it kind of does. This guy was an ass who cheated on his wife and family at BEST and a rapist in all probability. It’s perfectly ok for people to wonder why anyone he’s not related to would care about him or mourn his death. He’s a bad guy, not a hero. So why is anyone sad about this? Maybe because people are worth more than their biggest mistakes? I certainly hope I am!
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2020 18:47:53 GMT
I've been around Two Peas long enough to know that people will bring up his history of sexual assault and infidelity immediately. It doesn't make his death less sad. Except it kind of does. This guy was an ass who cheated on his wife and family at BEST and a rapist in all probability. It’s perfectly ok for people to wonder why anyone he’s not related to would care about him or mourn his death. He’s a bad guy, not a hero. So why is anyone sad about this? But the moment I tell someone their forefathers and ancestors weren’t shit and probably raped and/or lynched mine, I’m not patriotic. If that same energy could be maintained when talking about this man.
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Post by freebird on Jan 27, 2020 19:01:51 GMT
This is terrible. I do think that one thing that should give ppl solace is to know that he was there to hold her and tell her he loved her and it would be ok in those last few seconds. We could all wish for so much.
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Post by flanz on Jan 27, 2020 20:06:26 GMT
I'm sorry if someone shared this already. I just saw it on FB and agree completely.
Aly Wane 17 hrs I think Kobe Bryant meant a lot to many of us Black folks, for complicated reasons.
I also believe he got away with rape.
I also think he was a great dad.
I also think he was one of the greatest players to play the game.
I also think his promotion of Women's Basketball and the WNBA was admirable and forward-thinking.
I also loved his aerial artistry.
I also know that sexual assault survivors will be triggered and traumatized by this public lionization.
I also know that even though I resented his seeming selfishness and political apathy in his early years, he grew into a type of maturity in his personal life and in his philanthropic endeavors that surprised me in a positive way. As he grew older, he grew bolder in his political visibility in ways that I appreciated (seeing him rock the "I can't breathe" T-Shirt to commemorate Eric Garner's assassination by the police heartened me).
I also don't think that this erases the deep trauma he caused.
I also believe in healing, growth and redemption.
I also cried when I heard he died, because feelings are not political agendas and many of these celebrities are intertwined in our memories in ways that bypass our frontal cortex (I'm looking at you Michael Jackson). I remember "where i was when Kobe, the athlete did [insert great athletic achievement]."
I also know that the ability to compartmentalize is a luxury of the privileged, and as someone who has not been sexually abused I have privilege.
I also know that his child died with him and that she deserved a longer life.
I also mourn for his family.
I also hold his survivor and other sexual assault survivors in the Light tonight.
I also know that the Basketball fan in me will miss him.
This is hard to process.
Please be gentle, as best you can.
And if this reflection hurts or offends, I also believe that as an imperfect human being (like all of us), I will hurt and harm people I love.
Because such is life.
And life is very, very short.
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Post by katlady on Jan 27, 2020 20:38:24 GMT
This is terrible. I do think that one thing that should give ppl solace is to know that he was there to hold her and tell her he loved her and it would be ok in those last few seconds. We could all wish for so much. We can hope! But I am thinking that maybe the three girls were sitting together, talking about 13-year old stuff. I just hope they were completely unaware of their surroundings. Maybe they were seasoned flyers of this route and weren’t paying attention. Hitting a hill at 185mph does not leave much room for any action. 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 22:12:23 GMT
I think it is horrible that the families of 9 people found out that their loved ones were dead from TMZ. That’s actually not true. TMZ only reported Kobe, and supposed that was confirmed by family before they broke it. Then they reported Gianna, confirmed by Kobe’s reps. It was traditional media that misreported a lot of stuff, including names. Surely the other families would also then know if they confirmed that Kobe's had died in the crash. They would know that their family was also on the same helicopter, whatever the media reported. So yes, they did indirectly find out through TMZ or any other media that reported it. An awful tragedy, so very sad for the families affected.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 27, 2020 22:35:13 GMT
I can't blame TMZ. They clearly have sources and I imagine that the sources are capable of talking to other outlets than TMZ, as well as posting directly on social media. A helicopter crash also is not likely to go unreported even if it doesn't involve a celebrity. As horrible as it would be to find out information via the news about a loved one, I am not sure that it would not be preferable to have that information immediately from a media source that usually is correct than to have to sift through internet rumor while waiting some time for confirmation from law enforcement. At least that is how I think I would feel--reasonable minds can disagree.
I was thinking about this today when I saw that one of the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories had been arrested. I have a kid the same age as the children killed at Sandy Hook, and I remember when I read the accounts from the parents that the thing that sounded most horrifying to me was that the parents were watching as other parents left to be reunited with their kids and they only gradually realized that the fact that they were still there meant their children must have died.
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Post by jenjie on Jan 27, 2020 23:02:29 GMT
flanz that was so good. TFS
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 28, 2020 0:10:18 GMT
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Jan 28, 2020 0:33:33 GMT
I have yet to meet a Mayan twin What is that?? Someone born on the same day as me in the 13 Moon Calendar that runs on a 260 day cycle
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