flatfish
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Post by flatfish on Mar 3, 2020 5:01:38 GMT
Just wondering if there has been any updates on the lawsuit against Hero Arts. Anyone know anything new?
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Post by hmp on Mar 3, 2020 13:16:22 GMT
This is news to me. What is the lawsuit about?
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 3, 2020 15:23:26 GMT
I don't remember this one either, just with Sizzix suing other companies.
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Post by marg on Mar 3, 2020 21:25:10 GMT
Nancy Nally posted an update last September on a website called Craft Industry Alliance.
Sizzix reached a settlement with Avery Elle and Prima Marketing.
Hero Arts, Stephanie Barnard, and Heartfelt Creations are just in the holding period until the trials. I read that Hero Arts will go to trial in August 2020.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Mar 4, 2020 2:23:43 GMT
hmp Sizzix Ellison is suing several companies for patent infringement. It has to do with outline dies and where the companies are putting the edges the dies. It also has to do with how the dies line up with the matching stamps.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 4, 2020 6:32:47 GMT
hmp Sizzix Ellison is suing several companies for patent infringement. It has to do with outline dies and where the companies are putting the edges the dies. It also has to do with how the dies line up with the matching stamps. The ironic thing is that Sizzix did not invent the thin dies (Spellbinders did), and at least one or two of the companies being sued were offering matching stamps and dies before Sizzix did. It’s a complicated enough situation legally that three of the companies are fighting it, so the courts will have to sort it out. I suspect that the Sizzix CEO, who is European, expected everyone to just cave in to their demands rather than fight it out in court. I read the history of the original patent by Spellbinders and how they lost it, and also how Sizzix made a tiny modification and applied for the patent (but is reportedly now claiming all thin dies with an open middle fall under their patent, regardless of where the cutting edge is). Sizzix seems to have recognized they could take advantage of a legal loophole, then use the courts to try to destroy a lot of their competition. However, they did not try to sue Spellbinders. Sizzix probably recognized that they wouldn’t stand a chance in the courts if they tried to sue the actual inventor of the thin dies. I refuse to buy from Sizzix anymore. I used to buy a lot of their products. What they are doing may technically be legal, but it’s totally slimy in my opinion.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 4, 2020 12:34:53 GMT
I refuse to buy from Sizzix anymore. I used to buy a lot of their products. What they are doing may technically be legal, but it’s totally slimy in my opinion. Ditto Sizzix is dead to me lol. Even Tim stuff, which is the hardest.
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Post by flatfish on Mar 4, 2020 14:46:01 GMT
Thank you for the updates. I have stopped buying Sizzix products and spending my crafting money supporting those companies fighting the lawsuit.
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Post by hmp on Mar 4, 2020 15:01:10 GMT
I really hate to see what is happening in this industry with the likes of MSP & Sizzix trying to patent ideas they did not develop. I already buy ALL the stamping platforms I can get my hands on because I’m so upset with the Misti lawsuits. I will join in the sizzix boycott too. Unfortunately I don’t have the budget to buy all the Sizzix competitors products. At some point common sense should play a role in patent law.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 4, 2020 18:49:42 GMT
I really hate to see what is happening in this industry with the likes of MSP & Sizzix trying to patent ideas they did not develop. ...At some point common sense should play a role in patent law. I wonder if the issue with the patents being granted had more to to with understaffed or lazy patent office employees. I agree that common sense should prevail in patent law, and hopefully also in the courts deciding the cases. Lawsuits are often used to intimidate and to bully, which is how I view these lawsuits initiated by MSP and by Sizzix. I think that all of MSP’s competitors caved except for SU. I don’t know when that case will be heard, but I was happy to hear that someone stood up to MSP. Lawsuits are expensive, and not every company can afford to withstand such tactics, but it makes me sick that both MSP and Sizzix have chosen this route to destroy their competition. Considering that Tonic settled with MSP, and Tonic is not a small company, I think that Sizzix expected Heartfelt Creations, Hero Arts, and the third company (sorry, their name slips my mind) to just crumble and settle out of court like Tonic did. I am glad that these three companies being sued by Sizzix have stood their ground, and I support them financially as much as I am able.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 4, 2020 19:09:43 GMT
I refuse to buy from Sizzix anymore. I used to buy a lot of their products. What they are doing may technically be legal, but it’s totally slimy in my opinion. Ditto Sizzix is dead to me lol. Even Tim stuff, which is the hardest. Same for me.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 4, 2020 19:18:37 GMT
I really hate to see what is happening in this industry with the likes of MSP & Sizzix trying to patent ideas they did not develop. ...At some point common sense should play a role in patent law. I wonder if the issue with the patents being granted had more to to with understaffed or lazy patent office employees. I agree that common sense should prevail in patent law, and hopefully also in the courts deciding the cases. Lawsuits are often used to intimidate and to bully, which is how I view these lawsuits initiated by MSP and by Sizzix. I think that all of MSP’s competitors caved except for SU. I don’t know when that case will be heard, but I was happy to hear that someone stood up to MSP. Lawsuits are expensive, and not every company can afford to withstand such tactics, but it makes me sick that both MSP and Sizzix have chosen this route to destroy their competition. Considering that Tonic settled with MSP, and Tonic is not a small company, I think that Sizzix expected Heartfelt Creations, Hero Arts, and the third company (sorry, their name slips my mind) to just crumble and settle out of court like Tonic did. I am glad that these three companies being sued by Sizzix have stood their ground, and I support them financially as much as I am able. I completely agree with everything you’ve said.
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Post by GiantsFan on Mar 4, 2020 19:42:33 GMT
I refuse to buy from Sizzix anymore. I used to buy a lot of their products. What they are doing may technically be legal, but it’s totally slimy in my opinion. Ditto Sizzix is dead to me lol. Even Tim stuff, which is the hardest. I saw a die set that I liked (from TH) and I had to pass. Sorry but not even Tim can lure me into buying from Sizzix.
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Post by flatfish on Mar 5, 2020 0:26:15 GMT
I looked at Hero Arts new release this month and I liked it but I was going to pass then I realized I need to support them so they can beat this lawsuit. Placed my order today. Every little bit helps!
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Post by pinklady on Mar 5, 2020 3:29:06 GMT
A lot of the big name stampers have completely stopped supporting and using sizzix products even the big shot. I wonder if this has made any sort of financial impact on sizzix?
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Post by artisticscrapper on Mar 5, 2020 4:46:39 GMT
A lot of the big name stampers have completely stopped supporting and using sizzix products even the big shot. I wonder if this has made any sort of financial impact on sizzix? I hope so. I’m not much on boycotting but this case really irritates me. Since I own a big shot I do have to occasionally buy plates but I stopped buying anything else Sizzix back when this whole thing started.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 5, 2020 15:02:51 GMT
A lot of the big name stampers have completely stopped supporting and using sizzix products even the big shot. I wonder if this has made any sort of financial impact on sizzix? If the big name stampers have stopped using and promoting Sizzix products, it is bound to have an impact. Whatever the big name crafters use helps to sell those products. That’s why those crafters often get the goodies for free. It’s cheap advertising for the companies, and it gets sales. I think the Sizzix European CEO is the reason for the direction that Sizzix took. Sizzix was innovative once, years ago. They were the first to make dies more affordable to home crafters. They haven’t been particularly innovative for a long time, and I think they hoped the European CEO would change things. He did, but probably not the way they presumably expected. I don’t know why they chose someone from overseas, unless they expected him to help expand their international market. Unfortunately, what he has done to the US market was not something they would have hoped for.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 5, 2020 15:51:49 GMT
A lot of the big name stampers have completely stopped supporting and using sizzix products even the big shot. I wonder if this has made any sort of financial impact on sizzix? My LSS will still sell the sizzix products they had in stock but won’t place a new order with sizzix. I don’t know how prevalent that type of thing is. ( I did buy sizzix dies at a craft garage sale last fall though because that’s no longer affecting sizzix )
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 5, 2020 21:50:06 GMT
A lot of the big name stampers have completely stopped supporting and using sizzix products even the big shot. I wonder if this has made any sort of financial impact on sizzix? I hope so. I’m not much on boycotting but this case really irritates me. Since I own a big shot I do have to occasionally buy plates but I stopped buying anything else Sizzix back when this whole thing started. Me too
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Post by 0612 on Mar 6, 2020 2:45:03 GMT
I really don’t feel sizzix has come out with anything that appeals to me in a long time. But I still like the old dies I have, but really have not brought any new ones for a couple of years now.
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Post by flatfish on Mar 6, 2020 3:00:44 GMT
A lot of the big name stampers have completely stopped supporting and using sizzix products even the big shot. I wonder if this has made any sort of financial impact on sizzix? My LSS will still sell the sizzix products they had in stock but won’t place a new order with sizzix. I don’t know how prevalent that type of thing is. ( I did buy sizzix dies at a craft garage sale last fall though because that’s no longer affecting sizzix ) It was said that some of the big youtubers were also named in the lawsuit so understandable they stopped using sizzix products. Also the sizzix family sold the company so that’s why there’s been a big shift. I think they’re looking to replace / drop Tim Holtz with one of their own. Of course Tim May want to leave seeing all his buddies being dragged into court.
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Post by chrispeas on Mar 6, 2020 4:54:34 GMT
I unsubscribed to Sizzix last year. Haven’t purchased anything in a long time.
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Post by FurryP on Mar 6, 2020 6:11:04 GMT
I really don’t feel sizzix has come out with anything that appeals to me in a long time. But I still like the old dies I have, but really have not brought any new ones for a couple of years now. This is me too.
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