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Post by Night Owl on Mar 6, 2020 7:36:41 GMT
You can call me Chicken Little but I am thinking of my order sitting in one of the factories shut down for the Coronavirus.
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Post by peachiceteas on Mar 6, 2020 8:14:08 GMT
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Post by Night Owl on Mar 6, 2020 8:25:35 GMT
I know I am being paranoid, but it can stay on surfaces for days and you can't disinfect paper.
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Post by peachiceteas on Mar 6, 2020 8:30:47 GMT
I know I am being paranoid, but it can stay on surfaces for days and you can't disinfect paper. If there is anyone to trust its the World Health Organisation... I don't think theres any need to worry about paper. Someone sneezing on a bank note and then passing it to a cashier who then touches their face without washing their hands after touching said bank note is at risk of coronavirus. That's a fact, as it's the same as sneezing on a door handle and then someone opening that door and touching their face. The WHO state that "even though the new coronavirus can stay on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days (depending on the type of surface), it is very unlikely that the virus will persist on a surface after it has been moved, travelled, and exposed to different conditions and temperatures." and the paper manufactured in China falls into that category. And you have to take into consideration if it's still in the Chinese factory, by the time the paper actually gets to you via Scrapbook.com or ACOT or whoever - the virus will have died on the surface. I work with Chinese manufacturers and products travel by sea because it's the most cost effective way of shipping large quantities of goods. Items can be on the water for months depending on where its going to. Don't panic - you and your paper will be OK! If you need to worry about something - worry about crowds, touching hand rails or using toilets in public places. That's where you're likely to contract coronavirus, not from handling your paper goods.
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Post by julie5 on Mar 6, 2020 12:26:32 GMT
Thank you peachiceteas ! So much panic going on. We booked a cruise for July. On the cruise reddit, people are going bat $hit. Like you said, you’re so much more likely to get sick handling money, going grocery shopping, using the library. I’m not saying it isn’t a serious thing, it is. But the panicking has to stop.
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Post by peachiceteas on Mar 6, 2020 13:25:15 GMT
Thank you peachiceteas ! So much panic going on. We booked a cruise for July. On the cruise reddit, people are going bat $hit. Like you said, you’re so much more likely to get sick handling money, going grocery shopping, using the library. I’m not saying it isn’t a serious thing, it is. But the panicking has to stop. You're totally right - it's serious, but we need to be sensible. I've decided to stop reading the news because I think a lot of it is sensationalised for gossip/drama and click rate purposes. They do it every single day of the year, no reason why the coronavirus would be any different. It's barely a reliable or unbiased source on a good day. I will start being more concerned about it when I hear something from my local government or my place of work. Until then, washing hands and keeping a distance from anyone who has cold/flu symptoms is what I shall be doing. Hope you will be unaffected - I have a vacation to California planned and booked for the end of May, I hope we will both be able to enjoy our vacations trouble free this year! <3
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Post by myboysnme on Mar 6, 2020 14:39:35 GMT
I'm thinking I will gladly collect everyone's virus laden money.
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Post by kitbop on Mar 6, 2020 14:41:41 GMT
You're totally right - it's serious, but we need to be sensible. I've decided to stop reading the news because I think a lot of it is sensationalised for gossip/drama and click rate purposes. They do it every single day of the year, no reason why the coronavirus would be any different. It's barely a reliable or unbiased source on a good day. My kids were uncomfortable because of the news, so I googled statistics on influenza so show them how covid-19 compares. More than 80,000 people died from influenza in the US alone in the 2017-2018 season. But because we are "comfortable" with the flu it's not as scary? Not sure if that reassured them or only scared them of the flu, but at least I know they'll get their flu shots
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 6, 2020 14:45:13 GMT
PSA: Anxiety, fear and worry are part of the survival instinct. Understand that when you're in a community based on an activity where the coronavirus has been front news, many people will voice concerns and possibly panic. These expressions will come in waves (not everyone goes through the realisation their own participation in said activity could be worrisome at the same time). And people will flock to these online communities to voice their concerns so it will monopolise the conversation for quite some time. As the virus spreads closer to home, the voicing of panic and fears will increase. I'd probably hang back and wait before jumping back in regularly, julie5. As for paper imported from China: it should be ok. The WHO have been very openly discussing this fear of imported goods since mid-January now. The surfaces most prone to carrying the virus for a significant amount of days (up to 9) are slick, non-porous, clean surfaces (glass, metal) in a stable environment. Hence all the disinfecting happening in hospitals and medical labs. If you remain unconvinced, consider that the most likely manner to carry the virus would be your actual mailman delivering you your package. I don't think many of us have been quaranting our mail for several days upon reception. Should you still feel fearful, just put your parcel with your paper order away for a few days until you feel more comfortable handling it. Do NOT put your "suspicious" stuff in an airtight sealed container (you want the environment to be unstable, air to flow and move easily as this is what helps degrading viruses). You can use basic science to help cope with your anxiety over contamination. Personally, I'm just following what the WHO are saying and I have been since they first announced the discovery of SARS-CoV-2 on January 9th (I actually wrote it down in my memory planner when they did #yayforbeingadocumenter). Finally, if you need extra reassurance: some antibacterial, antifungal and antiviral sprays may be effective to combat the coronavirus in your home if you feel the need to spray around your mail. The full list of products recommended in combatting the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 has been released and is available on the website of the US Environmental Protection Agency. Please be realistic with your purchases and don't buy up stocks, leaving many unable to buy any product at all because of the overbuyers.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 6, 2020 14:48:54 GMT
You're totally right - it's serious, but we need to be sensible. I've decided to stop reading the news because I think a lot of it is sensationalised for gossip/drama and click rate purposes. They do it every single day of the year, no reason why the coronavirus would be any different. It's barely a reliable or unbiased source on a good day. My kids were uncomfortable because of the news, so I googled statistics on influenza so show them how covid-19 compares. More than 80,000 people died from influenza in the US alone in the 2017-2018 season. But because we are "comfortable" with the flu it's not as scary? Not sure if that reassured them or only scared them of the flu, but at least I know they'll get their flu shots However, we must also remember why this coronavirus should be more worrisome than the flu: there is absolutely no herd immunity against SARS-CoV-2, its infection rate is higher and its mutation capabilities still unknown (we'll need to wait a couple of years to figure that out). There is a healthy balance to strike when looking at the situation. I think it's far healthier to look at the regular updates on science information websites than most regular media who are looking to keep you hooked. But yay for making (some) people embrace vaccination again!
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 6, 2020 15:06:11 GMT
Just let your order sit in the box or bag for a week if you are worried. Things don't get shipped from China in an hour, so I am not concernef.
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Post by julie5 on Mar 6, 2020 15:22:42 GMT
sleepingbooty I had one person tell me I’m stupid for going to the Caribbean during summer because it’ll be so hot. I was like “gee, when do you think I should go internet stranger? Seeings how I got kids in school?” So my biggest problem is the idiots judging when I take my vacation. Lol we did Disney in Florida in July, we can survive anything! Lol
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Post by kiera on Mar 6, 2020 21:12:43 GMT
@julie5 I went to Toronto in December and a few people questioned why I would want to go to Canada during a cold month. Uhh... because my favorite band is breaking up and I want to attend their final show? It wasn't even that cold!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 6, 2020 21:27:19 GMT
sleepingbooty I had one person tell me I’m stupid for going to the Caribbean during summer because it’ll be so hot. I was like “gee, when do you think I should go internet stranger? Seeings how I got kids in school?” So my biggest problem is the idiots judging when I take my vacation. Lol we did Disney in Florida in July, we can survive anything! Lol Shall I compare thee to a Caribbean summer's day?
The internet, where people go to type out ALL their superiority feels. Also, the Caribbean summer temperatures aren't unbearably hot. Just checked and it looks like most islands' high temperatures in July hover around the 86-90°F mark. That's less warm than Mediterranean Europe where loads of people live and do just fine without AC and aren't telling tourists they're stupid for coming because it's hot. Also, plenty of advantages to booking a holiday during the dry, non-hurricane season, I say!
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Post by ditzydoodle on Mar 6, 2020 21:54:24 GMT
I am not worried about this at all. I just got a pre-order, everything came from China. I hugged it just the same as any other time I get new goodies. This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion by the media who seem to enjoy causing panic and fear. My mother is a nurse; a doctor she works with said that one of the viral strains that causes the common cold is a type of corona virus. It mutated and became stronger, and just needs to be viewed the same as flu and use the same precautions. Wash your hands, don't touch your face, cover your face with tissue/elbow when coughing or sneezing. I don't think this is going to end the world as we know it.
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Post by Night Owl on Mar 7, 2020 3:39:28 GMT
I was half tongue in cheek with my original post, I am not cowering in fear over here but it is nice to learn more about it and get the conversation going.
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Post by tiffysmom on Mar 7, 2020 4:05:42 GMT
Thank you peachiceteas ! So much panic going on. We booked a cruise for July. On the cruise reddit, people are going bat $hit. Like you said, you’re so much more likely to get sick handling money, going grocery shopping, using the library. I’m not saying it isn’t a serious thing, it is. But the panicking has to stop. We just cam back from a cruise in December and as soon as we got home we booked another one for May (Caribbean). After the news got worse & worse I still wanted to wait and see. Then the ship we were booked to sail was the one that has had to return to FL TWICE in a row because of outbreaks of the regular flu. So because I have a number of underlying health issues (and a little older in age) we decided to rebook for our bucket list cruise to Alaska next May!!! So it all worked out. I just didn’t want to chance it with heart disease, diabetes, recent cancer, among other stuff!
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Post by julie5 on Mar 7, 2020 14:45:55 GMT
I take no issue with anyone backing out of a trip and especially a cruise as long as I’m not judged for choosing to take one amidst the scare. Carnival as of right now is all allowing full refunds or reschedule with no penalty on sailings through nay31. If you decide to sail as planned you get a $200 onboard credit per room. I totally get immunocomprimised and small children and older folks. That said, if those groups stay home as advised it will be is middler agers getting the sickest. I did not mean to belittle anyone who is being extra cautious. There’s nothing wrong with that.
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Post by don on Mar 7, 2020 18:41:56 GMT
This is why we have a Free Press. We need to be confused between facts and guesses. Then there are the word of mouth "translations" of what was read or seen on various media and passed around. Remember the Social Science class exercise? Whisper a fact to 1 person and whisper to the next, and around the room, in the end the fact has changed. Just talking.
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Post by Night Owl on Mar 7, 2020 22:12:05 GMT
Just trying to keep the conversation lively [/The Big Chill]
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Post by ghislaine on Mar 8, 2020 13:35:35 GMT
While I haven't worried about paper, I washed the metal dies I'd ordered that came from China recently with soap and water when they arrived as they fall into the slick surface category. That might have been overkill considering they were in transport for well over a week, but it couldn't hurt either.
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Post by ditzydoodle on Mar 8, 2020 23:51:10 GMT
This is why we have a Free Press. We need to be confused between facts and guesses. Then there are the word of mouth "translations" of what was read or seen on various media and passed around. Remember the Social Science class exercise? Whisper a fact to 1 person and whisper to the next, and around the room, in the end the fact has changed. Just talking. I remember playing this, we called it Rumor, and the last person and first person had heard completely unrelated things. Always!
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 9, 2020 13:17:57 GMT
Money changes hands constantly, and travels from place to place, so it has lots of opportunity to pick up communicable diseases. Perhaps this new virus will get people to be more careful about washing their hands properly. Germ-X and most santizing products are reportedly only effective against bacteria, not viruses.
There is one thing you can be sure of. Shipments from China are taking far longer than usual. My DS#3 works for a shipping company. His customers are upset about recent and current shipping times to and from China. Fewer planes, etc., are going in and out of China, which means less cargo can be shipped, and everything is taking forever to be transported.
Chances are pretty good that at some point during the time your item was packaged, finally shipped, and eventually received by you, it sat waiting for cargo space for at least a week or two.
Based on what happened to DS#4, who was waiting for the prototype of his game to arrive, it may have been sitting and waiting for a month.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 7:59:12 GMT
Here's this article- www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/29/asia-pacific/science-health-asia-pacific/how-long-coronavirus-surface/ Yes, it will stay on paper for a while if your LSS owner coughs all over it but shipments from overseas are safe. Even novel viruses can't sustain that long on surfaces. Even though this is a new novel virus researchers know that it's behavior is similar to other coronaviruses and SARS viruses that are already airborne. That helps them pinpoint a lot of data and how this is spread. When DH did banking Friday I did wipe down the money to be on the safe side. I also do this on a bad flu season to. I have been wiping down my packages, magazines & the contents of my packages. I do this not because I am worried about my China packages being contaminated but more from community transmission from bank teller, Amazon warehouse employee or my mail carrier. I am also wiping down my cart before I shop. I wipe down the stylus before I sign. I even wipe down my card. Now, that is obsessive. I have lupus and I am a germaphobe. I tend to be like this on flu season. I also shop at a lot of stores that the elderly shop. If I wipe down the stylus maybe that small thing will help them not get sick. I feel pretty confident that China packages are safe since the transport has been so long. The outside package itself that is what I take precaution with since that does have more community transmission risk. scrapnnana I am sorry your son is waiting for the prototype. I am so curious, lol. I won't ask. I am in the industry to. I know that is akin to a firing squad asking about prototypes I expect a lot of delays to gaming this year.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 10, 2020 18:25:14 GMT
scrapnnana I am sorry your son is waiting for the prototype. I am so curious, lol. I won't ask. I am in the industry to. I know that is akin to a firing squad asking about prototypes I expect a lot of delays to gaming this year. My DS was surprised that his prototype was outsourced to China. It’s a card game, and all he ordered was one copy of the card deck. We’ll be play testing it, so he can decide if he needs to adjust the rules at all. He is working on the kick starter campaign for it. As for the Coronavirus, I am over 60 and have had asthma for several years, but I am also a germophobe who is always nagging everyone to wash hands, anyway. I think your precautions are just common sense. This has been a bad flu season, since a different strain of Influenza B has been making the rounds than what was in the vaccine. The first case of Coronavirus in the DFW area was reported this morning. All the other cases in Texas were in Houston, and they were individuals who had gotten it on an Egyptian cruise. The case in the DFW area is reportedly related to travel, but it sounds like it was picked up from US travel, not foreign travel. If I do have to shelter in place, my ridiculously large stash of papercraft supplies and tools will prove to be totally justified and necessary to my well being, anyway.
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Post by scrappington on Mar 11, 2020 16:32:30 GMT
@julie5 I went to Toronto in December and a few people questioned why I would want to go to Canada during a cold month. Uhh... because my favorite band is breaking up and I want to attend their final show? It wasn't even that cold! What band did you go see? It wasn't that cold this winter. We had an odd winter this year. Barely any snow and more rain than anything..Last year we had record snow and cold days..
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Post by scrappington on Mar 11, 2020 16:34:24 GMT
I was half tongue in cheek with my original post, I am not cowering in fear over here but it is nice to learn more about it and get the conversation going. The more information we get and the questions we ask maybe we can combat this virus. Unfortunately there is so much information out there that you don't know what is true..The media is just going nuts.
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Post by kiera on Mar 11, 2020 17:45:07 GMT
@julie5 I went to Toronto in December and a few people questioned why I would want to go to Canada during a cold month. Uhh... because my favorite band is breaking up and I want to attend their final show? It wasn't even that cold! What band did you go see? It wasn't that cold this winter. We had an odd winter this year. Barely any snow and more rain than anything..Last year we had record snow and cold days.. Hollerado! They played their final show at the Danforth, and had an open mic goodbye party the following night at the Horseshoe Tavern. The weather was similar to NYC's, which I expected it to be, especially so early in the season. It was a great excuse to get back up to Toronto though, I love your city!
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 11, 2020 21:08:20 GMT
Article in one of my local papers today. It says the corona germs can live on cardboard for up to 24 hours so I'm guessing paper is similar. So there you go, just don't open your scrapbook orders and Amazon boxes for 24 hours and you're good. Of course ripping into those boxes as soon as they show up is the best part
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Post by Night Owl on Mar 25, 2020 12:55:57 GMT
It says the corona germs can live on cardboard for up to 24 hours I just read some Amazon workers have tested positive because it can live on packages
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