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Post by Neisey on Mar 22, 2020 12:45:04 GMT
Each day Italy keeps reporting more staggering death numbers. Yesterday I saw a statistic that said the death rate there is around 8%. I have heard the stories of equipment and supply shortages so understand why there may be more deaths but those numbers are huge...has anyone seen a breakdown of death by age range...Is the area hardest hit full of seniors?
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Post by christine58 on Mar 22, 2020 12:49:34 GMT
Each day Italy keeps reporting more staggering death numbers. Yesterday I saw a statistic that said the death rate there is around 8%. I have heard the stories of equipment and supply shortages so understand why there may be more deaths but those numbers are huge...has anyone seen a breakdown of death by age range...Is the area hardest hit full of seniors? I have not seen an actual breakdown other than that most of the people who have passed away have been elderly with a lot of underlying conditions. I think we forgot that in that country there’s a lot of multi generational family living situations. I also believe that they did not heed the advice that was first given about social distancing because there were many pictures early on of people not following the suggestions. Later today I’m going to reach out to a couple of my cousins, actually second cousins, who live in and around Rome and Ferentino to make sure that they are safe. |
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 22, 2020 12:49:48 GMT
I don't have a link, but I did read Italy has the oldest population in Europe.
If you ask Google "why is Italy hit so hard", there are a lot of opinions.
I hope we learn from them.
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Post by elaine on Mar 22, 2020 13:18:20 GMT
Each day Italy keeps reporting more staggering death numbers. Yesterday I saw a statistic that said the death rate there is around 8%. I have heard the stories of equipment and supply shortages so understand why there may be more deaths but those numbers are huge...has anyone seen a breakdown of death by age range...Is the area hardest hit full of seniors? I have not seen an actual breakdown other than that most of the people who have passed away have been elderly with a lot of underlying conditions. I think we forgot that in that country there’s a lot of multi generational family living situations. I also believe that they did not heed the advice that was first given about social distancing because there were many pictures early on of people not following the suggestions. Later today I’m going to reach out to a couple of my cousins, actually second cousins, who live in and around Rome and Ferentino to make sure that they are safe. Interestingly, in the USA 38% of those hospitalized with COVID-19 are between 20-54. And half of those in ICUs are under 54. As this goes on, it may be that the demographics in the USA are different/younger than what has been going on in Europe and China. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 13:18:54 GMT
It's not that old people don't die or that Italy doesn't have the highest percentage of elderly i Europe. It's that they're dying at something like 5 times the 'normal' rate in some local hospitals. That's where the overwhelm comes from. "Despite now having some of the toughest measures in the world, Italian authorities fumbled many of those steps early in the contagion — when it most mattered as they sought to preserve basic civil liberties as well as the economy. Italy’s piecemeal attempts to cut it off — isolating towns first, then regions, then shutting down the country in an intentionally porous lockdown — always lagged behind the virus’s lethal trajectory. “Now we are running after it,” said Sandra Zampa, the under secretary at the Ministry of Health, who said Italy did the best it could given the information it had. “We closed gradually, as Europe is doing. France, Spain, Germany, the U.S. are doing the same. Every day you close a bit, you give up on a bit of normal life. Because the virus does not allow normal life.”" www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-center-lessons.html |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 22, 2020 13:19:13 GMT
My (non verified) opinion is that there's a few key things that resulted in the awful situation in Italy:
- lots of tourists from all over the world, so a higher chance of someone spreading the infection to the Italian people early on in the pandemic
- Italians are a very demonstrative people - lots of hugging and kissing
- densely populated in the major tourist areas
- an older population more at risk of serious complications
- unprepared for how it was going to affect them and not enough time or information available early on, so not enough restrictions in place before it spread into the wider community.
Leading to lots of people being infected early on and then those people passing it on before they knew they were infected and suddenly a whole bunch of people getting sick at once and the medical system being quickly overwhelmed and unable to care for those critically unwell effectively.
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Post by rhhdk on Mar 22, 2020 13:32:28 GMT
As I understand it, Italy is short og supplies to save all. the doctors have to select which people have the greatest chance for surrival and help them 😨
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 22, 2020 14:02:38 GMT
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Post by tenacious on Mar 22, 2020 14:04:03 GMT
Someone brought up that Italy has a high smoker rate. That would mean lots of people with lungs that are already damaged. China has a high rate of smokers, as well, so I would expect the same would have applied there. Who knows if China’s numbers were accurate, though.
I am heartbroken for Italy. I love that country-the people, the food, the art, the ocean, the way of life.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 22, 2020 14:09:22 GMT
Nothern Italy is the economic centre of the country, the richest part. It is where people flock to for work from all the other regions. It is where people who are more prone to travel and movement for work live. If anything, Northern Italy has a higher percentage of younger people because it's so economically active. Don't fall for the "full of elderly folks" argument.
The main issues with the region is that they acted on very local levels when the spread was actively taking place in a silent way. You can't outdo an invisible enemy that way. People had already moved around, shedding the virus and contaminating others by the time the government finally put the country under quarantine. It was too late. That's the hard lesson to learn from Italy. And we're all learning it as our own governments aren't being hard enough with the lockdown measures, alas. What you're seeing in Italy today is the near future of Spain (likely worse than Italy in the end) and France.
Also keep in mind these three countries do not have enough tests. They can't keep up with testing everyone. They are now only testing those showing serious symptoms and if found positive, those who've been in their immediate vicinity. The percentage of deaths vs contaminated does not reflect with accuracy the amount of people already carrying the virus, hence why it also seems like the mortality rate is significantly higher.
Germany has been testing far more (because they can). They've been more aggressive and have far more hospital beds available for reanimation. Good for them because they are currently keeping their death toll low. The regions by by the French border, however, are operating at near-full capacity in terms of available beds in reanimation and ventilators.
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