Nicole in TX
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Post by Nicole in TX on Oct 23, 2014 22:23:48 GMT
Because the Peas always have great ideas or know of great ideas....
We are looking for ways to motivate kids to pass their standardized tests. If you do something or know of something that your school does, can you share it with me? Thanks!
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 23, 2014 22:29:51 GMT
Lol. I detest state tests so I'm not likely to have an answer you'd like. The only *real* incentive I see, in this state (Virginia) anyway, is when you need it to get credit for the course or to graduate. That would be our high school classes -- everyone needs x number of passed SOLs (Standards of Learning) in English, x number in math, etc. Of course, I can say no reason to get all worked up about them in elementary school, but of course it's the poor teachers who get blamed in the end. ugh. Our teachers are working really hard and it isn't the 4th grade teacher's fault that the kid who just transferred here from California can't pass the Virginia History test. Or the second-language kid who's a whiz at math but who can't pass the math test because 3/4 of it is word problems, in English. steps off soapbox now..... 
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 23, 2014 22:38:32 GMT
I guess I'm confused by your question, in that, the majority of the children I know don't pass those tests because they can't, not because they don't want to, know what I mean?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 22:44:55 GMT
To be honest, I'm so disgusted by and disillusioned about standardized testing right now that I'm probably not the best person to ask, but I would agree with danimani.
Our school does the usual sending home notices about getting a good night's sleep, feeding them a good breakfast (which makes me irrationally want to say things like why no? I usually let my kids stay up until 2 AM and let them eat Twinkies and gummy bears for breakfast). They also use PTO "wish list" money to offer what amounts to test-taking strategy sessions for kids who have had poor test scores in the past.
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Post by Merge on Oct 23, 2014 22:48:29 GMT
Sorry, I'm too busy urging teachers in my district to call in sick on the first day of testing. No teachers = no test. These things are out of hand and no way would I be involved in urging kids to pass a meaningless test.
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Post by compwalla on Oct 23, 2014 22:53:16 GMT
My student in Texas got so stressed out by the pressure put on him by the school and his teachers that he threw up on testing days. I am not going to be much help either. Fuck those fucking tests.
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Nicole in TX
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Post by Nicole in TX on Oct 23, 2014 22:54:18 GMT
The question wasn't to debate the merits of standardized testing.  If you are really against standardized testing, you need to take it up with your politicians, not your schools or teachers. They are the ones who pass the laws mandating the testing. Anywho.... still looking for suggestions. 
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Post by cadoodlebug on Oct 23, 2014 22:55:40 GMT
Just to add a little humor ~ DS was pretty clueless in Kindergarten comprehension-wise so I had to laugh when his teacher told me he checked the box for *African-American* during his first Star testing. It totally fit when he bought me a Mother's Day card when he was in 6th grade and it was an Ebony card. I love it because he truly is racially colorblind. 
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Post by Peal on Oct 23, 2014 22:55:43 GMT
I'm pretty sure in our school the test is also available in Spanish. But that is second hand information.
If the kids can't pass the 5th and 8th grade tests they do not get promoted to the next school.
High school students have to pass EOC tests in English 2, Algebra, Biology, and US History to graduate.
My children who can pass the State tests do so with ease and without motivation, my child who can not pass the test doesn't need motivation, he needs a miracle.
ETA: My point is, if the threat of not being promoted/graduating isn't motivation enough I doubt any other "prize" is either.
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Post by compwalla on Oct 23, 2014 22:58:17 GMT
The question wasn't to debate the merits of standardized testing.  If you are really against standardized testing, you need to take it up with your politicians, not your schools or teachers. They are the ones who pass the laws mandating the testing. Anywho.... still looking for suggestions.  Yep. I'm working on that.
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Post by Judy26 on Oct 23, 2014 22:58:48 GMT
I had a dream right before out testing started last year that every student in the school just Christmas tree'd the test and drew pictures in the spaces meant for essays. When I woke up I couldn't decide if it was a nightmare or a brilliant idea. I refuse to bribe or otherwise cajole students when it comes to standardized tests. We already know who can do the work and who struggles. The tests are a form of standardized bullying in my book. They are a waste of tax payer's money and the [HASH]1 reason I am planning to retire soon.
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Post by perumbula on Oct 23, 2014 22:59:23 GMT
Merge, your system wouldn't work in my district. The state is now requiring independent proctors for the end of year testing. (AKA, substitute teachers hired specifically to administer the test.) Of course, they are all hired on the district's dime and they have to have three or four per school for three weeks to complete all the testing. No teachers, no problem. Kids still take the test because our state doesn't trust the teachers to not feed the kids the answers during testing.  I have no suggestions for you on incentives. I do understand that not every child does their best all the way through. Test are boring and it gets tedious taking them. Just encourage them to to show how much they've learned. I find bribery and promises of parties tend to backfire in the long run.
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Post by Merge on Oct 23, 2014 22:59:56 GMT
I'm pretty sure in our school the test is also available in Spanish. But that is second hand information. Some students take the test in Spanish. My school would also need it available in Vietnamese, Chinese and Arabic. No such luck.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 23, 2014 23:03:26 GMT
One yrar, students who passed were taken to eater world
Duct tape principal to wall for 15 minutes. Extra recess for a week. No homework for a week. Pizza party.
I hate the incentives that only reward proficient. There are some kids who will not pass and they already know it, so why rub it on and punish them for it.
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Post by Merge on Oct 23, 2014 23:04:48 GMT
Merge, your system wouldn't work in my district. The state is now requiring independent proctors for the end of year testing. (AKA, substitute teachers hired specifically to administer the test.) Of course, they are all hired on the district's dime and they have to have three or four per school for three weeks to complete all the testing. No teachers, no problem. Kids still take the test because our state doesn't trust the teachers to not feed the kids the answers during testing.  I have no suggestions for you on incentives. I do understand that not every child does their best all the way through. Test are boring and it gets tedious taking them. Just encourage them to to show how much they've learned. I find bribery and promises of parties tend to backfire in the long run. There would never be enough subs to cover every classroom in our district. And I'm 99% sure that the state requires the tests to be administered and proctored by a certified teacher. It's not really a "system," just an underground movement at this time.  No big shock that kids aren't very motivated to do their best on a test that has no consequences for them, but instead is used as a stick with which to flog their teachers. Think your teacher is mean? Bomb the test and get her fired. I'm not sure what incentive would turn around that kind of attitude.
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Post by Peal on Oct 23, 2014 23:05:42 GMT
I'm pretty sure in our school the test is also available in Spanish. But that is second hand information. Some students take the test in Spanish. My school would also need it available in Vietnamese, Chinese and Arabic. No such luck. That's too bad. To offer an native language test to one group and not another seems discriminatory. I'd suggest a lawsuit, except it would be the schools that would lose money and that just makes everything harder.
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 23, 2014 23:12:06 GMT
I'm pretty sure in our school the test is also available in Spanish. But that is second hand information. Some students take the test in Spanish. My school would also need it available in Vietnamese, Chinese and Arabic. No such luck. Yes, I wasn't actually thinking of our native Spanish-speakers when I responded up-thread. They can have it read to them in Spanish (because so many of them can't actually read Spanish very well). But we have all sorts of kids in this county -- Mongolia, Turkey, Ethiopia, Iran, just to name four that I saw in the class I subbed in yesterday. Also, when they read the tests they are not supposed to do any explaining, they just have to read. This is to keep it "fair" with the kids who are taking it in writing in other classrooms and who don't have anyone explaining anything. And if the kid's English isn't very strong it really won't matter how many times the question is read to him, he's likely not to understand it. I am happy, though, to see how many others in this thread feel the same way I do. And for the OP, I wasn't "taking this up" with teachers at all. They all feel the same way I do. In all the time I've done substitute teaching I haven't met a teacher yet who says "Oh yay, it's almost time for SOLs! We love those tests!" 
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 23, 2014 23:20:34 GMT
But I still don't get it. How many children--who wouldn't normally pass the test--will pass the test simply because they can duct tape the principal to the wall?
So my point remains. While you have your lazy, I don't care child who is probably failing because they don't give a crap about school who may be motivated to actually try, the majority of the children who are failing state tests aren't doing so because they want to.
I just don't see how giving an extra incentive is going to help them with a test that requires them to recall information they haven't learned?
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Post by withapea on Oct 24, 2014 0:07:13 GMT
I'm another that doesn't understand. Do you think kids are purposefully failing? I think the teachers and admin would do better by figuring out how they could encourage student''s confidence and lessen their stress.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 24, 2014 0:12:17 GMT
I wish all parents who oppose standardized testing would find out how to opt their kids out and actually do it.
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Post by kayk on Oct 24, 2014 0:14:05 GMT
In my kids high school......for the 11th grade testing.....they are told if they get proficient or better, then they will not be required to take final exams as seniors. However this does not apply to AP tests. This works! The students take the test seriously and only a handful need to take finals their senior year.
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Post by gypsymama on Oct 24, 2014 0:34:52 GMT
my son got money for every test he scored highly on... it was 4 years ago and i forget the terminology but it was during TAKS days and i THINK it was scoring "commended" but whatever, there was a possibility of maybe $200 and he got it and used it for his letter jacket. small school, maybe 70ish seniors
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 0:34:59 GMT
I'm sorry but I think the kids have enough stress about passing these tests, they do not need more. If they do not get a good enough score, they get nothing? No, not good.
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Nicole in TX
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Post by Nicole in TX on Oct 24, 2014 0:36:24 GMT
I'm another that doesn't understand. Do you think kids are purposefully failing? I think the teachers and admin would do better by figuring out how they could encourage student''s confidence and lessen their stress. I think that there are some that do not take the tests seriously and do not do their best.
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Post by scrapaddie on Oct 24, 2014 0:41:08 GMT
I guess I'm confused by your question, in that, the majority of the children I know don't pass those tests because they can't, not because they don't want to, know what I mean? There are quite a few kids who don't try on the test because they feel they have no value. I taught sophomores, and when we began offering exam exemptions if they did well enough on these test the scores went up dramatically.
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Post by J u l e e on Oct 24, 2014 0:44:55 GMT
Nicole, what grade levels are in the school you teach?
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 24, 2014 0:45:16 GMT
I'm another that doesn't understand. Do you think kids are purposefully failing? I think the teachers and admin would do better by figuring out how they could encourage student''s confidence and lessen their stress. I didn't have to take these high stakes tests, but we had one we had to take in specific years that was a day long, the Iowa standardized teat. Every year up to my 8th grade year I scored in the 9th percentile. I took the SAT in my 8th grade year and got a 1050. My Iowa standardized test was miserable that year because I didn't care. I made designs, patterns, copied others... I just didn't care. There was no reason to do good on that test. I've had students who answer in a smart assed way or write I don't know or purple because the ocean has water. The test scores in our state don't come back until august/September. They take them in march. The tests don't inform instruction, are not factored into grades, and don't have anything to do with classes they take. The only thing the test does is allow the news to report the scores and to evaluate teachers a year after the tests are taken.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 24, 2014 0:47:39 GMT
I'm another that doesn't understand. Do you think kids are purposefully failing? I think the teachers and admin would do better by figuring out how they could encourage student''s confidence and lessen their stress. There are a lost of students who just refuse. They fill in "A" for every answer without reading the questions. Or they are finished with a test five minutes after it starts when it's supposed to take them five hours. High school kids have made the news here for writing things like "I refuse" or "I'm not your guinea pig" on their standardized tests instead of doing them. Frankly I don't blame the kids. But it's really, really hard to be a teacher right now when your job depends on kids taking tests and the kids have no motivation to do the tests, much less actually try to do well on the tests.
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Post by withapea on Oct 24, 2014 0:58:49 GMT
I totally feel for teachers and students. I in no way think teachers should be hostage to student's test scores. If our kids don't pass there are consequences. They have retakes, loss of electives, summer school etc so I honestly didn't think a high percentage of kids would purposely fail. You can't graduate high school without passing them. I'm not anti-standardized test but I definitely think we need an overhaul. My kids spend so much of the school year pre-testing, practice testing and testing that it's serious overkill. Their incentive is to pass and be done with it.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 24, 2014 1:00:03 GMT
But I still don't get it. How many children--who wouldn't normally pass the test--will pass the test simply because they can duct tape the principal to the wall? So my point remains. While you have your lazy, I don't care child who is probably failing because they don't give a crap about school who may be motivated to actually try, the majority of the children who are failing state tests aren't doing so because they want to. I just don't see how giving an extra incentive is going to help them with a test that requires them to recall information they haven't learned? It may encourage them to do better.. so not pass/fail but raise the score a little. If you need to do that to get your students to do better I suggest you spend your efforts on teaching ( provide the teachers what they need so that they can teach in a way that the students are confident they know the material so that the test is easy for them.)
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