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Post by samcro on Oct 24, 2014 13:33:06 GMT
Wouldn't it be wonderful if these doctors stayed here in the USA and volunteered to help with the backlog of United States Military Veterans instead of going to another country and dragging this crap back to the USA?
I know, I'm dreaming again, but it sure would be nice if we cared for our own first.
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Post by gar on Oct 24, 2014 13:52:31 GMT
Wouldn't it be wonderful if these doctors stayed here in the USA and volunteered to help with the backlog of United States Military Veterans instead of going to another country and dragging this crap back to the USA? I know, I'm dreaming again, but it sure would be nice if we cared for our own first. I understand what you're saying but I think countries like yours and mine have a humanitarian duty to help with things like this. Those countries just do not have the ability to deal with this sort of event and lets face it, if its not tackled effectively soon we will see the wiping out of whole areas on a scale we've probably never seen before in our lifetime. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 13:58:56 GMT
Wouldn't it be wonderful if these doctors stayed here in the USA and volunteered to help with the backlog of United States Military Veterans instead of going to another country and dragging this crap back to the USA? I know, I'm dreaming again, but it sure would be nice if we cared for our own first. We live in a global society. And honestly this view is sad. Yes we should treat our veterans better but that doesn't mean forsaking the rest of the world. |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Oct 24, 2014 14:10:28 GMT
Wouldn't it be wonderful if these doctors stayed here in the USA and volunteered to help with the backlog of United States Military Veterans instead of going to another country and dragging this crap back to the USA? I know, I'm dreaming again, but it sure would be nice if we cared for our own first. If Western doctors did not go to these countries to treat patients, the spread of Ebola internationally would be so much worse. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 24, 2014 14:11:21 GMT
Wouldn't it be wonderful if these doctors stayed here in the USA and volunteered to help with the backlog of United States Military Veterans instead of going to another country and dragging this crap back to the USA? I know, I'm dreaming again, but it sure would be nice if we cared for our own first. I understand your frustration. The Veteran scandal earlier this year is just another swept under the carpet. Hopefully, the "Ebola Czar" is making provisions for a world class facility for US military who are going to these hot zones for quarantine when they return and for priority health care treatment for those infected. We owe them that much. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 24, 2014 14:35:02 GMT
No, I don't think that would be wonderful at all. I think that would be xenophobic and cutting off our nose to spite our face since if the ebola epidemic is not brought under control in west Africa, we face an imminent global crisis. What do you think will happen if ebola starts spreading in places like India or Brazil or Syria or Haiti?
I DO think it would be wonderful if our government adequately modernized and funded the VA, got rid of the bureaucracy that seems to prevent any progress from ever being made and established a pay structure that would attract the best and brightest medical providers to work in the VA system.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 24, 2014 14:35:13 GMT
Honestly, I don't know how doctors are brave enough to go work directly with ebola patients. You can see how upset people get that someone with ebola might be thousands of miles away from them.
i hope he recovers, and I hope that, as with the prior patients, the exposure to others doesn't translate into anyone else developing symptoms.
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Post by loco coco on Oct 24, 2014 14:36:47 GMT
this Dr is a certified dumbass
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Post by lucyg on Oct 24, 2014 14:50:17 GMT
Wouldn't it be wonderful if these doctors stayed here in the USA and volunteered to help with the backlog of United States Military Veterans instead of going to another country and dragging this crap back to the USA? I know, I'm dreaming again, but it sure would be nice if we cared for our own first. this Dr is a certified dumbass Good freakin' lord. ETA apparently it sure is easy in this country to throw around thoughtless, heartless, uneducated opinions. |
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Post by scrapnnana on Oct 24, 2014 15:09:34 GMT
Unfortunately, it seems to me that there are no easy answers. Closing the borders might help, or it might make travelers more inclined to hide their travel history. I can see both possibilities, and I do not have the knowledge or expertise to know which is safer for America. It seems that we are at risk either way.
Before anyone freaks out too much about the NY doctor taking the subway, etc., I think it is helpful to remember that none of Duncan's family got sick, and he was vomiting as he was leaving their apartment. The ambulance drivers apparently didn't get Ebola from him, either, and they were not wearing HazMat suits. Two nurses got it, but they were caring for him when Duncan was far more ill and had a higher virus load in his body fluids. Thankfully, the nurses appear to be out of danger, but it was diagnosed quickly, and they were treated early.
Based on what happened (and what didn't) in Dallas, it is highly unlikely that any of the general public will get Ebola in New York from riding the subway, going bowling, or anything else the doctor did before he realized he was ill.
What happened in Dallas was frightening to a lot of people, especially to those of us who have family there. However, it was also a good learning experience that let us know where we are likely to be vulnerable, and where we are NOT vulnerable. The lessons from Dallas should hopefully help people not to panic as much as when there were so many unknowns.
I hope the doctor has a speedy recovery, and that none of his contacts become ill. I hope the same for the travelers who have been quarantined in other US cities.
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Post by lily on Oct 24, 2014 15:29:47 GMT
What test do they do to determine if a person for sure has ebola? I read that there is no blood test to determine it???
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Post by samcro on Oct 24, 2014 15:41:50 GMT
Good freakin' Lord is right. I mean, can you imagine a thread on here that goes like this...
Title: Should I Go Visit The New Baby?
Post: My friend Mary just had a baby and I really want to go visit. I've been taking care of my son all week who has been vomiting and having diarrhea.
I, myself, feel a bit under the weather. I'm probably just tired from lack of sleep while I was caring for my sick child though. Don't you think Mary would be delighted to have me visit?
The Peas would tear this person to shreds and you know it. I would wager that some would call her a dumbass. Yet some see no problem with a doctor, who should be pretty educated on the spread of this little pesky disease, and who had been caring for Ebola patients, exposing God knows how many people to his possible (and now confirmed) illness.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 24, 2014 15:48:08 GMT
What test do they do to determine if a person for sure has ebola? I read that there is no blood test to determine it??? It's a blood test. Specifically: |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 15:51:01 GMT
Good freakin' Lord is right. I mean, can you imagine a thread on here that goes like this... Title: Should I Go Visit The New Baby? Post: My friend Mary just had a baby and I really want to go visit. I've been taking care of my son all week who has been vomiting and having diarrhea. I, myself, feel a bit under the weather. I'm probably just tired from lack of sleep while I was caring for my sick child though. Don't you think Mary would be delighted to have me visit? The Peas would tear this person to shreds and you know it. I would wager that some would call her a dumbass. Yet some see no problem with a doctor, who should be pretty educated on the spread of this little pesky disease, and who had been caring for Ebola patients, exposing God knows how many people to his possible (and now confirmed) illness. He called as soon as he had a fever. He wasn't vomiting or having diarrhea while he was out so no your comparison makes no sense. |
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Post by samcro on Oct 24, 2014 16:02:11 GMT
Good freakin' Lord is right. I mean, can you imagine a thread on here that goes like this... Title: Should I Go Visit The New Baby? Post: My friend Mary just had a baby and I really want to go visit. I've been taking care of my son all week who has been vomiting and having diarrhea. I, myself, feel a bit under the weather. I'm probably just tired from lack of sleep while I was caring for my sick child though. Don't you think Mary would be delighted to have me visit? The Peas would tear this person to shreds and you know it. I would wager that some would call her a dumbass. Yet some see no problem with a doctor, who should be pretty educated on the spread of this little pesky disease, and who had been caring for Ebola patients, exposing God knows how many people to his possible (and now confirmed) illness. Edited to add: Even if the mom wasn't feeling under the weather, just the fact that shed spent the past few days caring for the sick child would probably be enough of a red flag to have Mary decline her visit. He called as soon as he had a fever. He wasn't vomiting or having diarrhea while he was out so no your comparison makes no sense. Re-read please. The 'mom' wasn't having vomiting and diarrhea. The human she had been caring for was. She just felt a little under the weather, you know, like the doctor did and people here are saying he must've thought he had jet-lag, would never have crossed his mind that he was ill even though he'd been taking care of Ebola patients. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 16:06:16 GMT
He called as soon as he had a fever. He wasn't vomiting or having diarrhea while he was out so no your comparison makes no sense. Re-read please. The 'mom' wasn't having vomiting and diarrhea. The human she had been caring for was. She just felt a little under the weather, you know, like the doctor did and people here are saying he must've thought he had jet-lag, would never have crossed his mind that he was ill even though he'd been taking care of Ebola patients. And I feel that expecting one to be quarantined for 21 days is unrealistic and no one will go help then. But of course that seems like what you want. Forget about anyone but Americans. And if they helped those with ebola don't come home. |
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Post by songbird on Oct 24, 2014 16:09:16 GMT
I think this ebola thing is definitely serious, but I'm not standing in line to stone this doctor. We have no idea exactly what steps were or weren't taken regardless of what's being reported in the media. It's very complicated, and I have a really hard time believing that he willfully just went about life like nothing was wrong. I guess I have more faith in our health care providers than to be that reckless. At the same time, I do feel those coming back from the ebola hotbed should be quarantined for the 21 days - mandatory, not voluntarily. Additionally, I think it's past time that we disallow flights from the countries fighting this outbreak. In the meantime, those flights should all land in or near DC and be taken straight to Capitol Hill and The White House because then I think they'd ground those flights pretty darn quickly!  |
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And I feel that expecting one to be quarantined for 21 days is unrealistic and no one will go help then. But of course that seems like what you want. Forget about anyone but Americans. And if they helped those with ebola don't come home. Oh goodness gracious. Do you read your posts and hint about how you come across. You just come across as someone who can't deal with others disagreeing with you. Her analogy made sense and she said nothing about only caring for Americans. Have you read her other posts? She is the one that said the doctors should only be helping people here not in other countries. So no you are wrong. She did say it very clearly. |
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Post by BarbaraUK on Oct 24, 2014 16:12:40 GMT
Additionally, I think it's past time that we disallow flights from the countries fighting this outbreak. In the meantime, those flights should all land in or near DC and be taken straight to Capitol Hill and The White House because then I think they'd ground those flights pretty darn quickly! So, should the rest of the world stop flights coming in from New York and Texas in the US? |
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Post by loco coco on Oct 24, 2014 16:18:11 GMT
Additionally, I think it's past time that we disallow flights from the countries fighting this outbreak. In the meantime, those flights should all land in or near DC and be taken straight to Capitol Hill and The White House because then I think they'd ground those flights pretty darn quickly! So, should the rest of the world stop flights coming in from New York and Texas in the US? umm, those are in no way hot spots for ebola A dr in direct contact with ebola patients in that part of the world should have self quarantined himself before coming over. 21 days is not that long. |
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Post by samcro on Oct 24, 2014 16:22:21 GMT
And I feel that expecting one to be quarantined for 21 days is unrealistic and no one will go help then. But of course that seems like what you want. Forget about anyone but Americans. And if they helped those with ebola don't come home. Oh goodness gracious. Do you read your posts and see how you do sometimes come across? You just come across as someone who can't deal with others disagreeing with you. Her analogy made sense and she said nothing about only caring for Americans. Stacy, she's probably referring to my post that it is a damn crying shame that we don't take care of our own country first, including Veterans. I get it, it is a pipe dream that we would ever do that. My guess is that she doesn't have a Veteran family member who is daily clinging to life without proper care. I will never understand the concept of 'watching my own children go hungry while I buy groceries for the family next door' but that isn't what the made-up thread was about anyway. My point there was that Peas would hang that mother out to dry in that situation, yet they'll give this guy a pass. It's true and could be proven by previous threads over time here or at the original board. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 24, 2014 16:25:31 GMT
Additionally, I think it's past time that we disallow flights from the countries fighting this outbreak. In the meantime, those flights should all land in or near DC and be taken straight to Capitol Hill and The White House because then I think they'd ground those flights pretty darn quickly! So, should the rest of the world stop flights coming in from New York and Texas in the US? Several airlines including British Airways have suspended service to Sierra Leone and Liberia until December 31. |
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Post by songbird on Oct 24, 2014 16:26:44 GMT
Additionally, I think it's past time that we disallow flights from the countries fighting this outbreak. In the meantime, those flights should all land in or near DC and be taken straight to Capitol Hill and The White House because then I think they'd ground those flights pretty darn quickly! So, should the rest of the world stop flights coming in from New York and Texas in the US? Really? That is not even close to the same thing I am saying. If there was a true crisis due to huge numbers of confirmed cases in any city here in the US, then yes, I would expect other countries to not allow anyone to fly from those locations. |
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Post by samcro on Oct 24, 2014 16:29:31 GMT
Samcro do you feel that we should forgot about anyone but Americans? i want to go straight to the source instead of going back and forth  No. I do feel that we should take care of our own problems first before going off to save the world. My statement was that it would sure be nice for doctors to volunteer to help our Veterans who are left to twist in the wind. Am I more concerned about my family members and people I know personally than those in other countries? That's a big honest yes. |
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Post by LeaP on Oct 24, 2014 16:36:43 GMT
What happened in Dallas was frightening to a lot of people, especially to those of us who have family there. However, it was also a good learning experience that let us know where we are likely to be vulnerable, and where we are NOT vulnerable. The lessons from Dallas should hopefully help people not to panic as much as when there were so many unknowns.  My father and brother (and family) live in NYC, father just two or so miles from the doctor's apartment. They have taken the subway. Life goes on and they continue to take the subway. No need for panic. On the other hand, I wonder what happened to the bowling shoes the doctor probably rented. |
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Post by BarbaraUK on Oct 24, 2014 16:41:40 GMT
So, should the rest of the world stop flights coming in from New York and Texas in the US? Many airlines including British Airways have suspended service to Sierra Leone and Liberia until December 31. That is so, but what songbird actually said is below and a different thing altogether!: Unless I am mistaken the US is fighting an outbreak of Ebola - so should other countries disallow flights from parts of the US? |
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Post by songbird on Oct 24, 2014 16:55:52 GMT
Many airlines including British Airways have suspended service to Sierra Leone and Liberia until December 31. That is so, but what songbird actually said is below and a different thing altogether!: Unless I am mistaken the US is fighting an outbreak of Ebola - so should other countries disallow flights from parts of the US? Oh goodness...semantics. I was referring to those in Africa, and I thought that was pretty clear by the earlier reference in my post to the hotbed and considering an outbreak to be more than just a handful of people! |
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Oct 24, 2014 17:30:19 GMT
All I could think about reading this thread was that if being tired and rundown means you have ebola, then 99% of moms I know have ebola. (I know, I know, most moms aren't directly working with ebola patients - thought I would add that disclaimer in because somebody would respond with and not get that I'm being facetious).
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Post by gar on Oct 24, 2014 17:57:31 GMT
That is so, but what songbird actually said is below and a different thing altogether!: Unless I am mistaken the US is fighting an outbreak of Ebola - so should other countries disallow flights from parts of the US? Oh goodness...semantics. I was referring to those in Africa, and I thought that was pretty clear by the earlier reference in my post to the hotbed and considering an outbreak to be more than just a handful of people! Of course you were but, you know.....what's sauce for the goose and all that..... |
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My father and brother (and family) live in NYC, father just two or so miles from the doctor's apartment. They have taken the subway. Life goes on and they continue to take the subway. No need for panic.
