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Post by songbird on Oct 24, 2014 18:51:41 GMT
Oh goodness...semantics. I was referring to those in Africa, and I thought that was pretty clear by the earlier reference in my post to the hotbed and considering an outbreak to be more than just a handful of people! Of course you were but, you know.....what's sauce for the goose and all that..... What does that mean? I am not saying that only the US should block flights. I think every country should to protect their own honestly. Once it's under control, then lift the ban. You seem to want to make me look like an asshole American who only cares about Americans, and that's just not true. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 24, 2014 20:30:49 GMT
Many countries on the African continent will not allow those from Sierra Leone, Liberia, Nigeria, Congo and Guinea to enter their borders. If the airlines serving those hot zones have suspended service this will effectively will stop travel out of the effected areas.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:04:08 GMT
A total ban on travel to and from the affected countries isn't going to stop the spread of the outbreaks.
If you ban travel altogether to these countries you also ban medical staff and aid workers going into these countries who desperately need all the help they can, to bring it under control.
The main reason it keeps spreading is that these countries don't have the medical equipment.medical clinics/hospital,isolation units or enough medical staff to effectively treat these patients in the early stages of the virus, as in when they first develop a fever.
There does seem some hope that if a person is " caught" at the "fever only" stage they do have a chance of recovery but the facilities and medical infrastructure isn't there to be able to do this in most cases and it seems to be getting worse and is at crisis point now.
I have nothing but the utmost admiration for any medical professional that go out there and I really hope that this Dr in New York will make a full recovery.
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Post by blondiec47 on Oct 24, 2014 21:07:11 GMT
No one is talking about stopping aid flights. When those helping there are due to return, charter a plane and quarantine them for 21 days when they return.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:09:45 GMT
No one is talking about stopping aid flights. When those helping there are due to return, charter a plane and quarantine them for 21 days when they return. And then they have to go 3 weeks with no pay, Etc. Being quarantined for that time is simply not feasible for most and would stop many from helping. And who pays the expenses of the quarantine? Where is it done? It isn't just as simple as some seem to think. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 24, 2014 21:14:19 GMT
No one is talking about stopping aid flights. When those helping there are due to return, charter a plane and quarantine them for 21 days when they return. And then they have to go 3 weeks with no pay, Etc. Being quarantined for that time is simply not feasible for most and would stop many from helping. And who pays the expenses of the quarantine? Where is it done? It isn't just as simple as some seem to think. Another way to look at it is that some may welcome the option to self quarantine somewhere other than home to eliminate potential exposure to loved ones. As I posted earlier this is something the "Ebola Czar" should be planning for with military going to hot zones. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 24, 2014 21:42:46 GMT
At this time I wouldn't jump into this discussion for all the tea in China.  There are not enough hours in the day to participate on this thread. However, just wanted to say I'm loving reading it when I can get to it. All the different perspectives are so interesting. Well done ladies.....Carry on! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:48:23 GMT
No one is talking about stopping aid flights. When those helping there are due to return, charter a plane and quarantine them for 21 days when they return. And then they have to go 3 weeks with no pay, Etc. Being quarantined for that time is simply not feasible for most and would stop many from helping. And who pays the expenses of the quarantine? Where is it done? It isn't just as simple as some seem to think. And yet now there are several of his close contacts that he exposed after his symptoms started that have to self-quarantine and THEY never volunteered to have anything to do with Ebola.
It is simple. If you can't afford to protect yourself, your loved ones, friends, and the general public from a disease that you know is almost always fatal, then the cost of volunteering is too high and you shouldn't do it. Besides that - he went BOWLING. How is that something that he HAD to do? Same with the nurse that went wedding dress shopping and on a flight? These are not things that generate "pay" and would have no impact one way or the other if they stayed home. Except, of course, for the whole "I unnecessarily exposed people to Ebola" part of it.
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Post by gar on Oct 24, 2014 22:38:00 GMT
Of course you were but, you know.....what's sauce for the goose and all that..... What does that mean? I am not saying that only the US should block flights. I think every country should to protect their own honestly. Once it's under control, then lift the ban. You seem to want to make me look like an asshole American who only cares about Americans, and that's just not true. It means it works both ways.......if it's ok for you to ban incoming flights carrying passengers from Africa then presumably it would be acceptable to you to ban flights from the US into other countries since you also have people with Ebola in your country? Regardless of the chaos that would cause? Asshole American? You seem to want to make huge and incorrect assumptions from what I wrote. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 22:43:22 GMT
We will just have to agree to disagree. I've seen specialist after specialist on the news saying this doctor did what he was supposed to do. Called as soon as he had symptoms and got treated. I agree with them.
We shall see if anyone is infected by him in the public.
In other good news Nina Pham was released and is ebola free. She met with the president today and he gave her a huge hug. It seems what doctors were saying was right. The death rate here will be much lower due to our medical practices and facilities.
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Post by katiekaty on Oct 24, 2014 23:55:23 GMT
I cannot believe the narrow-minded thinking of the members of this board. So disappointed. Makes me want to rethink getting up and going to work daily as a nurse in the hospital. I am quite certain no asks for any kind of illness and most definitely not Ebola! At least that is somewhat treatable. Prejudice, narrow-mindedness, blame calling, etc. is just a sad choice we have absolutely NO CURE or treatment for. At least there are still nurses and doctors willing to put themselves out there to take care of the very sick and not just those with Ebola, but those with TB, VRE, CRE, MRSA and several other nasty little bugs that have done more to kill those in the hospitals and ICUs than Ebola does! And the family members who visit these ill patients do more to spread this serious crap which is easier to pass around through poor hygiene and handwashing skills than Ebola is!
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 25, 2014 1:34:14 GMT
The Governors of New York and New Jersey have announced mandatory 21 day quarantine for health care workers returning for ebola health care workers and according to the Chicago Tribune the Federal government is considering the same.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 2:25:06 GMT
I saw a great quote by Andy Borowitz today -
"I understand that Americans are freaking out about the three cases of Ebola in the U.S. this year, but I wish there were the same level of alarm about the thirty-nine school shootings."
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Post by songbird on Oct 26, 2014 15:55:14 GMT
What does that mean? I am not saying that only the US should block flights. I think every country should to protect their own honestly. Once it's under control, then lift the ban. You seem to want to make me look like an asshole American who only cares about Americans, and that's just not true. It means it works both ways.......if it's ok for you to ban incoming flights carrying passengers from Africa then presumably it would be acceptable to you to ban flights from the US into other countries since you also have people with Ebola in your country? Regardless of the chaos that would cause? Asshole American? You seem to want to make huge and incorrect assumptions from what I wrote. I totally agree that it goes both ways and was mostly talking about the US because other countries seem to have smartly been proactive in disallowing flights from some high risk areas. The U.S. is choosing to be reactive which I guess is par for the course. The point I was trying to make is that what is happening in the US so far is not even close to what's happening in Africa...not that it could not become that, but I certainly hope not. Sorry if I misread the feeling behind your and the other poster's responses. |
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Post by kay2rn on Oct 26, 2014 23:42:16 GMT
I totally agree that there should be a mandatory quarantine for 21 days after returning from volunteering in an Ebola hot spot. We have just a handful of beds available to treat Ebola patients in the U.S. The cost is staggering for the few patients that have been treated here. I shudder to think what would happen if we had a serious outbreak. Think of it as preventative care. Part of the uproar may stem from the fact that mandatory quarantine was put in place just recently. I would be upset, too, if I came back to the states, fully expecting to return to work, only to be informed of a mandatory quarantine. I am all for helping contain this epidemic. Those volunteers from this day forward should have a mandatory quarantine written into their contract. A high percentage of health care workers have been infected and DIED while in Africa!
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