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Post by cindytred on Mar 31, 2020 21:19:47 GMT
A thought just occurred to me. I went back to school as a non-traditional student in my late 40's. I often felt very frustrated when we'd be given an assignment to do in a group in class. Before I could even get my thoughts together about what we were doing, my classmates would have finished, and I'm just sitting there feeling stupid. I've considered myself a slow processor and it embarrasses me. I know I'm not dumb - I just need to be able to think (in sentences) and in a quiet environment.
Also, I've had a few instances where I hear a voice in my head that isn't mine. It is more like a thought that isn't mine. (cue the spooky music.) My thoughts are loud and in full sentences and take up all my brain. But I've had thoughts that weren't full sentences that were quiet and small that didn't come from my brain. An example is once when I was 10 years old and I had opened the car door and before I had the chance to step out onto the driveway I heard "look down" in my head. I did and there was a big fat moccasin snake right where my barefooted self was about to step.
Cindy
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Post by M~ on Mar 31, 2020 21:37:49 GMT
It depends.
For school and work I think in flow chart form, graph form, or chart form. I take notes that way. I don’t learn simply by reading. I’m not mathematical at all but I graph or chart concepts or break down statutory provisions or regulations that way. I can close my eyes and picture actual citations. I categorize everything in my head. Sort of like a mental filing system. When people ask me for assistance with a case, I just mentally go down a flow chart.
I can memorize conversations and can recall them years later. So I guess I categorize concepts? I dunno what sort of thinker (or not) that makes me.
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Post by M~ on Mar 31, 2020 21:40:05 GMT
A thought just occurred to me. I went back to school as a non-traditional student in my late 40's. I often felt very frustrated when we'd be given an assignment to do in a group in class. Before I could even get my thoughts together about what we were doing, my classmates would have finished, and I'm just sitting there feeling stupid. I've considered myself a slow processor and it embarrasses me. I know I'm not dumb - I just need to be able to think (in sentences) and in a quiet environment. Also, I've had a few instances where I hear a voice in my head that isn't mine. It is more like a thought that isn't mine. (cue the spooky music.) My thoughts are loud and in full sentences and take up all my brain. But I've had thoughts that weren't full sentences that were quiet and small that didn't come from my brain. An example is once when I was 10 years old and I had opened the car door and before I had the chance to step out onto the driveway I heard "look down" in my head. I did and there was a big fat moccasin snake right where my barefooted self was about to step. Cindy I get that too. About the thought that isn’t mine. 🙃🙃
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Mar 31, 2020 21:41:24 GMT
I also see words so that I can read them in my mind's eye. I can picture books that I've read, and if I'm looking for a particular passage, I know exactly where on the page I read it. If you asked me what time the chip shop's opening hours are, I see the sign on the door and can read the times. I suppose that makes me a visual person rather than auditory. But the thread from earlier this year had me stumped, because I don't have a running commentary going through my head, ever. It took a while to realise that what I have going through my head is music, always, awake or asleep. So I am auditory after all, but music not words. Wow - you just blew my mind. If I heard music in my head all the time - I would go nuts. Of course, I'm not an expert by any means, but I think the type of learner you are (visual, auditory, reading/writing, and kinesthetic) is unrelated to how a person experiences thoughts (visualization, in sentences, in numbers). If your thoughts are music based only, how does that work? All day you are hearing your favorite song in your head - like an ear worm? Or when you have a thought like, "I need to fix dinner" is it like a song in your head? Do you write music or play a musical instrument? Cindy It's not necessarily my favourite song, it could be whatever I heard last, or just got reminded of. Music plays in my head when I wake up in the middle of the night, and sometimes it is the same tune as when I wake up, and sometimes it has changed. My toes and fingers are always tapping to the rhythm. When some so-called friend of mine posted on Facebook that it takes 20 seconds to sing Baby Shark twice while washing your hands, my head nearly exploded. That's the worst ear-worm EVER! Whoever that person was, I will hunt them out and personally tar and feather them. I don't hear thoughts in music. I just go and fix dinner. Occasionally I give myself a little pep talk "right, get your ass into gear and start the dinner" or list things out loud, because then I remember them better. Yes, I sing in a choir and have played loads of instruments in my past: guitar (rhythm and bass), flute, violin, keyboard, mandolin, penny whistle, drums. I'm one of those annoying people who can pick an instrument up and make it make an acceptable sound. My husband watched me with his head shaking when I was given a Sape in Borneo and played Happy Birthday on it. I've grown up with music - dad was a pianist and both he and mum sang - so I suppose it's just in me.
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Post by snyder on Mar 31, 2020 21:47:58 GMT
My grandson is a visual thinker and we have had this conversation. It is difficult for him to explain as he doesn't know any better or any other way. He has very poor reading and writing skills. Look as something and he can pick it apart and tell you how it was made/assembled in no time. I've noticed that many of my gifted students tend to struggle with writing. Now that I think about it - it could be because they visualize their thoughts so putting full sentences together is difficult for them. Cindy Exactly. They are picturing a truck and how do you put a picture of a truck on the paper, so then their brain has to try and sort that out and they get frustrated and then shut down.
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Post by Linda on Mar 31, 2020 21:52:48 GMT
totally auditory for me - my brain doesn't think in images at all - not while thinking, not while dreaming, not at all - I simply can't visualise an image in my head. Very interesting. I had a dream last night that I was in a church and there were newborn kittens everywhere inside the church. There was one kitten that looked like a spider with 8 legs. I could see it in my dream and I can still see it in my mind. Cindy I rarely remember my dreams but those I do are like a radio drama...almost like someone is narrating them. I can't come up with an image of your 8 legged spider kitten at all
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 31, 2020 22:10:30 GMT
I've noticed that many of my gifted students tend to struggle with writing. Now that I think about it - it could be because they visualize their thoughts so putting full sentences together is difficult for them. Cindy Exactly. They are picturing a truck and how do you put a picture of a truck on the paper, so then their brain has to try and sort that out and they get frustrated and then shut down. the fact that my DH thinks visually might be the reason he does NOT like reading for pleasure. He has a more 'engineering / mathematical' mind than I do, but he hates to read. He has tried to read a fiction book a couple times when I've found a book at Goodwill I think he might like, but he can only get thru a page or two before he gets EXCEPTIONALLY tired and has to quit.
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Post by cindytred on Mar 31, 2020 22:11:34 GMT
Very interesting. I had a dream last night that I was in a church and there were newborn kittens everywhere inside the church. There was one kitten that looked like a spider with 8 legs. I could see it in my dream and I can still see it in my mind. Cindy I rarely remember my dreams but those I do are like a radio drama...almost like someone is narrating them. I can't come up with an image of your 8 legged spider kitten at all First, the spider kitten was ugly so you're lucky you can't imagine it. Second, your dreams sound scary and amazing. I wish I could do a brain transplant and experience that. Cindy
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Post by cindytred on Mar 31, 2020 22:26:23 GMT
Exactly. They are picturing a truck and how do you put a picture of a truck on the paper, so then their brain has to try and sort that out and they get frustrated and then shut down. the fact that my DH thinks visually might be the reason he does NOT like reading for pleasure. He has a more 'engineering / mathematical' mind than I do, but he hates to read. He has tried to read a fiction book a couple times when I've found a book at Goodwill I think he might like, but he can only get thru a page or two before he gets EXCEPTIONALLY tired and has to quit. That totally makes sense. Someone who thinks mathematically probably wouldn't enjoy descriptive language or dialogue. When I read I hate all the flowery descriptive language - I want to get right to the dialogue. If I'm reading something technical or theoretical it helps if they provide a scenario as an example. Cindy
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Post by snyder on Mar 31, 2020 22:38:25 GMT
Exactly. They are picturing a truck and how do you put a picture of a truck on the paper, so then their brain has to try and sort that out and they get frustrated and then shut down. the fact that my DH thinks visually might be the reason he does NOT like reading for pleasure. He has a more 'engineering / mathematical' mind than I do, but he hates to read. He has tried to read a fiction book a couple times when I've found a book at Goodwill I think he might like, but he can only get thru a page or two before he gets EXCEPTIONALLY tired and has to quit. That's what grandson took in HS, Honors Engineering classes as part of his Gifted and Talented support, but then he was also in an an Special Education Reading and English class. I bet that is exactly how your husband thinks and why he does not enjoy reading.
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Post by cindytred on Mar 31, 2020 23:31:45 GMT
I've enjoyed discussing this with ya'll today. Social distancing is getting to me - LOL! I created a survey and put it on FB to further my investigation.
Also, I texted my 3 brothers the survey to find out how they think, since we share the same DNA. One brother wanted to know how much vodka I put in my glass of water today. Hahaha. Another brother is being deliberately obtuse and keeps replying that he only gets water if he's thirsty.
Cindy
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Post by Zee on Apr 1, 2020 0:14:50 GMT
Both. Sometimes I just have a feeling, like i want to go running, or I'm thirsty for water and I see a glass of ice water or picture myself filling a glass from the fridge. Other times I think in sentences.
Sometimes I think too fast for sentences. Interesting to think about how I think.
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Post by Anita on Apr 1, 2020 1:37:23 GMT
I almost never think in pictures. I visualize the words as I think them. I have to work to "see" a mental picture of something other than the word.
ETA: Now that I think of it, this makes sense. I had very poor vision as a young child, which my parents didn't find out until I was about eight. Books were something I could see close up. I started reading at three and words have always been my "thing" in life. I still live very much in my head. Mostly without pictures.
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Post by cindytred on Apr 1, 2020 4:34:06 GMT
I almost never think in pictures. I visualize the words as I think them. I have to work to "see" a mental picture of something other than the word. ETA: Now that I think of it, this makes sense. I had very poor vision as a young child, which my parents didn't find out until I was about eight. Books were something I could see close up. I started reading at three and words have always been my "thing" in life. I still live very much in my head. Mostly without pictures. That definitely falls within the "other" category. I hear the words in my head without pictures when I have a thought. You see the words. Very interesting... Cindy
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Apr 1, 2020 6:06:13 GMT
How do I think...what? ☺️ That was my first thought when I read the title ☺️ I’m an INFP so I feel what I think, and talk through feeling. I can visualize but it doesn’t feel close, if that makes any sense.
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Post by cindytred on Apr 1, 2020 11:47:32 GMT
How do I think...what? ☺️ That was my first thought when I read the title ☺️ I’m an INFP so I feel what I think, and talk through feeling. I can visualize but it doesn’t feel close, if that makes any sense. I am an INFJ with tendencies of INFP also so I am ruled by feeling. Could you elaborate on "I can visualize but it doesn't feel close"? I'd love to understand. Since you mentioned being an INFP - I want to add that I have felt like an alien from another planet my entire life. I hardly ever feel like I fit in or see things how others do. Since I've been learning about being INFJ I have started to understand and value myself more. I'm not weird - I'm an INFJ - LOL. Cindy
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 1, 2020 15:14:53 GMT
I hear the words in my head ...maybe this is what I do, too... now I don't know! I'm thinking about *thinking* too much, lol! But I also have bad eyesight that was diagnosed very young, and have read since I can't even remember when... so words are definitely *it* over pictures, for sure.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Apr 2, 2020 3:40:48 GMT
How do I think...what? ☺️ That was my first thought when I read the title ☺️ I’m an INFP so I feel what I think, and talk through feeling. I can visualize but it doesn’t feel close, if that makes any sense. I am an INFJ with tendencies of INFP also so I am ruled by feeling. Could you elaborate on "I can visualize but it doesn't feel close"? I'd love to understand. Since you mentioned being an INFP - I want to add that I have felt like an alien from another planet my entire life. I hardly ever feel like I fit in or see things how others do. Since I've been learning about being INFJ I have started to understand and value myself more. I'm not weird - I'm an INFJ - LOL. Cindy I can totally relate to not feeling from another world. And I have just found to accept the possibility and now I’m at the point where I’m embracing it and not holding myself back from expressing myself ☺️ There’s also something else called: Human Design where just like the personality types they have a range on the rarest (like the INFJ) to the most popular. My Human Design type ranks on the most popular ...I’m like BS! 😋 I don’t know how to put it into words with how I visualize things. I just remember that I used to be a lot better at visualizing where I could easily picture something, and now I can vaguely make it out. Like I used to feel like I could connect to what I visualized when it was easy, and it helped me with drawing what I saw in my mind. But now the only way I can draw something that looks like anything is if I have a physical model of it in front of me. I’m interested in learning about what part of the brain activates when a vision is cast. I would assume the right side of the brain. But maybe any image that already exists in this world will have some help with the left brain. And then there’s the metaphysical third eye to get images too. Maybe I’m using my third eye more now or something.
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