MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 31, 2020 17:40:50 GMT
ETA: I don't consider it fake news, that's just what the article title says. She was just wrong this time.
Cliff's Notes below.
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 31, 2020 17:47:08 GMT
I'll give her a pass for one incorrect report considering how many lies are daily spewed from dear leader and Fox news. I haven't watched her in the last few days but every time (and not many times she is incorrect) she has reported something that is incorrect she corrects it on air as soon as she realizes she made incorrect statements.
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Post by rodeomom on Mar 31, 2020 17:50:04 GMT
Most people thought it couldn't be done. They were wrong. The Navy stepped up and got it done. Go NAVY! I don't think that qualifies as "fake news" or funny. But that's me.
ETA: who is slamming her?
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 31, 2020 17:56:57 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 31, 2020 17:58:44 GMT
Tell me what is fake/wrong about making a statement of “ none in sight” in regards to the ships coming,
Then they show up 7 days LATER?
If a person is saying that there is not relief in sight could it simply mean that there is no evidence that has been public or by reporters asking available—rendering that statement true, especially since the said help didn’t come along for at least 7 more days?
(And I don’t watch her show)
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 31, 2020 17:58:46 GMT
Most people thought it couldn't be done. They were wrong. The Navy stepped up and got it done. Go NAVY! I don't think that qualifies as "fake news" or funny. But that's me. Very true, but she was extremely vocal about it and has yet to recognize the fact that it happened so quickly. The Navy is really amazing and has stepped up in an unprecedented way.
I don't consider it fake news, that's just what the article title says. She was just wrong this time. Not that she'll admit it.
ETA: who is slamming her? It's in the article.
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Post by Just T on Mar 31, 2020 17:59:32 GMT
Most people thought it couldn't be done. They were wrong. The Navy stepped up and got it done. Go NAVY! I don't think that qualifies as "fake news" or funny. But that's me. ETA: who is slamming her?I have seen sooo many people slamming her on FB. Of course, they are the Trump supporters.
I don't consider this fake news. I consider it as someone who doesn't like Trump trying to make it sound like it was going to take longer than it did. Trump so often exaggerates and outright lies, it's hard to take anything he says seriously. I often tell myself I'll believe it when I see whenever he says anything.
I do find it interesting that the people I see screaming fake news about this are not saying anything at all about the weeks that Fox News spent calling this whole thing a Democratic hoax. They did real damage to this country and our response to COVID 19. Their dismissal of its dangers have cost American lives, I have no doubt. What damage did Maddow do other than to Trump's ego?
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Post by hop2 on Mar 31, 2020 18:01:22 GMT
IMO ( yes my opinion not fact ) I have every faith in both military ships doing what they can do where they are ordered to do it as promptly as humanly possible. I have extensive faith in our military.
Key word ‘ordered’ they can’t move those ships until they are given the order to do so. Once Trump publicly said he would order them to go, he can’t delay too long in giving the order, he might have actually already issued the order who knows with him.
I don’t know why she insinuated it would take weeks, the ships are not going off shore or to another country where things would be more difficult to ship to them after they moved so the gear up to move could be much faster. And it was.
I don’t fault her her opinion but I do think it wasn’t a well thought thru opinion. Maybe there was a delay between him saying he would do it and actually issuing the order, I don’t know but that is far from deserving the label of ‘fake news’ she issued her opinion on how soon she thought it would happen she did not portray that as a factual time the ships would move & arrive. Just because I don’t/didn’t share her opinion doesn’t make it ‘fake news’. She based her opinion on her lack of faith in Trump, and that lack of faith is based on valid thoughts about Trumps response. My opposing opinion, which I only told my dog, was based on both my full faith in our military and the fact that supplies can still be shipped to both ships after they have moved, my opinion was ignoring the validity of not having faith in Trump. Truthfully it could have gone either way with the man since he lies daily. ( where [actually WTF ] are the thousands of ventilators hesaid they were sending ? )
Lastly, in my opinion, Trump needs every shove in the direction toward responding to this crisis that there is. If people have to goad him into helping and helping quickly so be it.
I’m sure I won’t always agree with Rachel, it’s called critical thinking and thinking thru a situation.
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Post by peatlejuice on Mar 31, 2020 18:12:40 GMT
I don't watch Maddow, but even The Hill, who ranks as neutral in media bias charts, was reporting on the 19th (the day before her show, according to your sources) that the Comfort was two weeks away from deploying. thehill.com/policy/defense/488554-navy-hospital-ships-to-deploy-in-5-to-10-days-to-help-with-coronavirus-reliefAnd from this Hill article dated the 18th: “Those two ships are being prepared to go, and they can be launched over the next week or so depending on need,” Trump said. Chief Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman confirmed later Wednesday afternoon that the Comfort is intended to go to New York and the Mercy's destination is to be determined. Despite Trump and Cuomo's comments suggesting the deployment of the Comfort was imminent, Hoffman said the maintenance means it will be weeks before the ship is underway. "They're going to expedite the maintenance that they can and prepare it," Hoffman told reporters at the Pentagon. "That's not a days issue. That's a weeks issue, so it's going to be a little while." thehill.com/policy/defense/488235-cuomo-navy-hospital-ship-deploying-to-new-yorkI'm thankful to the Navy for managing to get these ships out of maintenance and deployed in under two weeks, but I think it's largely self-serving to say that Maddow was peddling fake news, when even the Pentagon, at the time, was implying that Trump was overstating turnaround time.
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Post by peano on Mar 31, 2020 18:19:14 GMT
Dude. Her show is clearly opinion and not straight journalism. We all know that. She does however, include multiple award-winning journalists on her show. Feel free to knock her, but the most important concept that has come out of her head, and that straight journalists might want to entertain is, “Watch what they do, not what they say”. Your post is a symptom of a wider problem that people don’t understand how journalism works or confuse journalism with fluffy shit.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2020 18:25:11 GMT
Most people thought it couldn't be done. They were wrong. The Navy stepped up and got it done. Go NAVY! I don't think that qualifies as "fake news" or funny. But that's me. Very true, but she was extremely vocal about it and has yet to recognize the fact that it happened so quickly. The Navy is really amazing and has stepped up in an unprecedented way.
I don't consider it fake news, that's just what the article title says. She was just wrong this time. Not that she'll admit it. The USNS Comfort was in for repairs, which were either discontinued or rushed with added help.
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 31, 2020 18:33:13 GMT
Your post is a symptom of a wider problem that people don’t understand how journalism works or confuse journalism with fluffy shit. Glad we seem to agree that the Rachael Maddow show is fluffy shit and not actual journalism.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Mar 31, 2020 18:44:27 GMT
They were able to dig up that she misspoke 6 times...in 11 years. Lying bitch should resign. Now do Hanity or Limbaugh.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 31, 2020 18:56:54 GMT
BTW I don’t watch Rachel ( don’t have cable ) but I heard about the weeks vs days debate online from multiple places. And just formed my opinion on what I know our military can do when given the task. She isn’t the only one who thought it would take longer
BTW the comfort is docked in NY yesterday, yes, but they did say it was not operational yet. Meaning they still have some stuff to do.
Imho better to continue in place so they can help when if needed.
Kudos to the navy
Same kudos to the Army Corp of engineers for the incredibly fast deployment of field hospitals around the nation. Getting the additional spaces ready at a seemingly impossibly speed.
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 31, 2020 19:04:04 GMT
They were able to dig up that she misspoke 6 times...in 11 years. Lying bitch should resign. Now do Hanity or Limbaugh. This will never happen from this “Independent” poster.
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Post by ntsf on Mar 31, 2020 19:05:56 GMT
rachel tries to tell the straight story.. and we can't fault her for once in a blue moon being shown to be wrong. the list of maintenance on those ships was long.. so the navy either speeded up the repairs, or put them aside and showed up in a week.. so many commentators out there don't try to tell the truth.
she has great experts on her show to try to figure out what is really going on... those doing the criticizing are not putting this into perspective. trump and his friends don't try to tell the truth.. they just lie and lie and lie.
rachel has an opinion show.. not a documentary.
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Post by ntsf on Mar 31, 2020 19:06:11 GMT
rachel tries to tell the straight story.. and we can't fault her for once in a blue moon being shown to be wrong. the list of maintenance on those ships was long.. so the navy either speeded up the repairs, or put them aside and showed up in a week.. so many commentators out there don't try to tell the truth.
she has great experts on her show to try to figure out what is really going on... those doing the criticizing are not putting this into perspective. trump and his friends don't try to tell the truth.. they just lie and lie and lie.
rachel has an opinion show.. not a documentary.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 19:08:40 GMT
Your post is a symptom of a wider problem that people don’t understand how journalism works or confuse journalism with fluffy shit. Glad we seem to agree that the Rachael Maddow show is fluffy shit and not actual journalism. Hmm. The Rachel Maddow show was one of the first cable shows that brought attention to Flint Michigan and high levels of lead in the drinking water. And how it got there. The Rachel Maddow show was one of the first cable shows that brought real attention just how much Puerto Rico was being ignored by the trump administration after the hurricane that ripped through the island. But I guess you consider high levels of lead in the drinking water and Americans dying in Puerto Rico because of the trump administration ignoring the island after the hurricane “fluffy shit”. FYI From USNI on March 18, 2020. link“Trump: Hospital Ship Comfort to go to New York City, Mercy Set for West Coast Support”
From the article.. ”The Pentagon has given orders for East Coast-based Comfort and West Coast sister ship Mercy to be activated and staffed to support the domestic COVID-19 related response, USNI News reported on Tuesday. It’s unclear how quickly both hospital ships can be ready to deploy. Comfort is in the midst of a maintenance period at its homeport at Naval Station Norfolk, Va., a Navy official said. Mercy was recently spotted by USNI News in a maintenance yard in San Diego, but the official said Mercy is closer than Comfort to being physically ready to deploy. More importantly, though, both ships will also need to be staffed with active-duty and reserve medical personnel.Basically the bolded part was reported by various news agency. Rachel repeated what was widely being reported at the time. She also added her disgust toward trump and the lack of urgency on his administration’s part in fighting the virus. She tends to get a little testy when talking about trump’s shortcomings especially when people get hurt or die because of it. By the way based on the title of your thread, this disclaimer you posted means nothing. You deliberately wanted to imply Rachel is part of the “fake news media”. Own it. “ ETA: I don't consider it fake news, that's just what the article title says. She was just wrong this time. ”
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 31, 2020 19:08:53 GMT
They were able to dig up that she misspoke 6 times...in 11 years. Lying bitch should resign. Now do Hanity or Limbaugh. ^^^ yeah. Watch what they do, not what they say... applies in more ways than one, here. Apparently Miz "Independent" only thinks that phrase applies to some {liberal} people. eta: great minds think alike, lol!
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 31, 2020 19:13:11 GMT
But I guess you consider high levels of lead in the drinking water and Americans dying in Puerto Rico because of the trump administration ignoring the island after the hurricane “fluffy shit”. You say that as if she was the ONLY talking head to bring the subject up. I don't discount that she has a huge reach with her audience and that she has done good things.
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Post by Just T on Mar 31, 2020 19:27:19 GMT
But I guess you consider high levels of lead in the drinking water and Americans dying in Puerto Rico because of the trump administration ignoring the island after the hurricane “fluffy shit”. You say that as if she was the ONLY talking head to bring the subject up. I don't discount that she has a huge reach with her audience and that she has done good things. I truly am curious what your thoughts are on FOX News and their weeks of dismissal of this virus. You say you are independent, but I don't think I have ever seen you post anything negative about the Trump administration and what they are doing. How do you think the administration has handled this? What do you honestly think of Fox News reporting "this is a democratic hoax" reporting has done to the US in relation to this virus?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 19:31:02 GMT
But I guess you consider high levels of lead in the drinking water and Americans dying in Puerto Rico because of the trump administration ignoring the island after the hurricane “fluffy shit”. You say that as if she was the ONLY talking head to bring the subject up. I don't discount that she has a huge reach with her audience and that she has done good things. Nice attempt at spin. I was very careful in stating “one of the first” cable shows which in no way implies “the ONLY” cable show to report on these subjects. And I was addressing this comment of yours.. “ Glad we seem to agree that the Rachael Maddow show is fluffy shit and not actual journalism.”
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 31, 2020 19:34:50 GMT
You say that as if she was the ONLY talking head to bring the subject up. I don't discount that she has a huge reach with her audience and that she has done good things. I truly am curious what your thoughts are on FOX News and their weeks of dismissal of this virus. You say you are independent, but I don't think I have ever seen you post anything negative about the Trump administration and what they are doing. How do you think the administration has handled this? What do you honestly think of Fox News reporting "this is a democratic hoax" reporting has done to the US in relation to this virus?
This. Just in case the poster quoted missed this.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 31, 2020 19:36:36 GMT
You say that as if she was the ONLY talking head to bring the subject up. I don't discount that she has a huge reach with her audience and that she has done good things. Nice attempt at spin. I was very careful in stating “one of the first” cable shows which in no way implies “the ONLY” cable show to report on these subjects. And I was addressing this comment of yours.. “ Glad we seem to agree that the Rachael Maddow show is fluffy shit and not actual journalism.”I don’t know if her show is ‘fluffy’ but it IS an opinion show not a news show and the differentiation is important
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 31, 2020 19:42:18 GMT
Nice attempt at spin. I was very careful in stating “one of the first” cable shows which in no way implies “the ONLY” cable show to report on these subjects. And I was addressing this comment of yours.. “ Glad we seem to agree that the Rachael Maddow show is fluffy shit and not actual journalism.”I don’t know if her show is ‘fluffy’ but it IS an opinion show not a news show and the differentiation is important True. And what is even more important is if these opinion shows blatantly lie every. single. day, many times a day, or if they try to get their facts straight.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 31, 2020 19:45:05 GMT
I don’t know if her show is ‘fluffy’ but it IS an opinion show not a news show and the differentiation is important True. And what is even more important is if these opinion shows blatantly lie every. single. day, many times a day, or if they try to get their facts straight. Well by that measure the federal press briefings are opinion shows not news shows.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 31, 2020 19:48:47 GMT
You say that as if she was the ONLY talking head to bring the subject up. I don't discount that she has a huge reach with her audience and that she has done good things. Nice attempt at spin. I was very careful in stating “one of the first” cable shows which in no way implies “the ONLY” cable show to report on these subjects. And I was addressing this comment of yours.. “ Glad we seem to agree that the Rachael Maddow show is fluffy shit and not actual journalism.”and I believe she WAS the first journalist to push that story hard, for weeks, on a national level, before it really picked up traction. To Miz: she made a prediction and turned out to be wrong. That is not the same thing as peddling fake news. She works hard to present facts, and I have seen her apologize a few times over the years when she got the facts wrong. This nonsense isn’t even deserving of an apology. I read your disclaimer, but that doesn’t belie your subject line or the fact that you felt the need to post this story at all. As the others asked, where are your posts about Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Tucker Carlson’s daily lies and sensationalism? Rachel Maddow isn’t a hard-news journalist, she’s an opinion journalist, but she’s also a national treasure. IMHO
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 31, 2020 19:55:26 GMT
You say that as if she was the ONLY talking head to bring the subject up. I don't discount that she has a huge reach with her audience and that she has done good things. Nice attempt at spin. I was very careful in stating “one of the first” cable shows which in no way implies “the ONLY” cable show to report on these subjects. And I was addressing this comment of yours.. “ Glad we seem to agree that the Rachael Maddow show is fluffy shit and not actual journalism.”That is absolutely fair. I do dislike her for my own reasons, my apologies for letting that bleed through.
FTR, I don't watch either Limbaugh or Hannity either for the same reasons.
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Post by inkedup on Mar 31, 2020 20:01:31 GMT
Man, if only supposed independents and republicans held Fox News or, I don't know...the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to the same standards they have for the "fake news" and the democrats.
You know how Trump didn't mean that ALL Mexicans are rapists or that there were "very fine" neo-nazis" on one side in Charlottesville or that Mexico would pay for the wall or that the virus was a hoax or....?
Well, maybe Rachel Maddow is being misunderstood, too.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 31, 2020 20:03:24 GMT
rachel tries to tell the straight story.. and we can't fault her for once in a blue moon being shown to be wrong. the list of maintenance on those ships was long.. so the navy either speeded up the repairs, or put them aside and showed up in a week.. so many commentators out there don't try to tell the truth. she has great experts on her show to try to figure out what is really going on... those doing the criticizing are not putting this into perspective. trump and his friends don't try to tell the truth.. they just lie and lie and lie. rachel has an opinion show.. not a documentary. The Navy sped up some and skipped a lot of maintenance and pulled crews off other ships, delaying their maintenance, to get the Comfort out of dry dock and underway faster.
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