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Post by carhoch on Apr 12, 2020 15:16:49 GMT
You need to watch this .
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 12, 2020 15:20:57 GMT
But now we’re the most at something! The biggest! In THE WORLD! #WINNING
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Post by scrappinghappy on Apr 12, 2020 15:25:47 GMT
I have to say that you have to look at cases per capita for an accurate representation. Graph might not look the same then especially as most of those numbers come from NY which is very dense. Not excusing our response, which has been shocking.
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Post by pjaye on Apr 12, 2020 15:29:42 GMT
Don't you also now hold the sad record of the country who had the most deaths in one day? I remember when it was peaking in Italy and they had 470 deaths in one day and I couldn't believe it, it seemed like such a lot, now the USA has topped that with just over 2000 deaths in a single day. Every day and a half as many people die as on Sept 11.
And Trump thinks everyone can back to normal soon...
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Post by carhoch on Apr 12, 2020 15:30:55 GMT
I have to say that you have to look at cases per capita for an accurate representation. Graph might not look the same then especially as most of those numbers come from NY which is very dense. Not excusing our response, which has been shocking. The problem is that we have tested a very small number of people ,We probably have four time more people that are sick and the dead are not counted accurately either , a lot of people dying in a nursing home that are not being tested and so they’re not being counted.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 12, 2020 16:00:23 GMT
Don't you also now hold the sad record of the country who had the most deaths in one day? I remember when it was peaking in Italy and they had 470 deaths in one day and I couldn't believe it, it seemed like such a lot, now the USA has topped that with just over 2000 deaths in a single day. Every day and a half as many people die as on Sept 11. And Trump thinks everyone can back to normal soon... Yes. It’s heart breaking. And people here are hearing these numbers and still getting pissed that they can’t go on vacation, can’t go to the park, and go to church. I don’t get it. Being quarantined sucks. A lot. But it’s way better than being dead or winding up with damaged lungs for life because I just had to whatever. I do not understand how this much loss of life is acceptable to so many here. Truly, I don’t get it.
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Post by tracyarts on Apr 12, 2020 16:01:39 GMT
My experience is that people don't care. You can show them easy to understand graphics illustrating the situation and they still don't care. We're in trouble because people don't care.
1.) It's not real to them. They don't personally know anyone who is in the hospital or who has died from the virus. If it were really a crisis, surely they'd personally know someone who was affected, right? Strangers' stories are just anecdotes to them, and the case reports are just numbers. Positive tests are starting to be listed by town here. I have read accounts of people saying that the reports aren't "real". Because "this is a small town, everybody knows everybody else's business, if 4 people were really sick with this in town, people would be talking about it and everyone would know who it was".
2.) So what if our numbers are higher than Italy, we have a much larger population than Italy, so in reality it's not as big of a problem here as it is there. China? China lies. Their statistics mean nothing because they're not accurate. We have more cases because we have more people, period.
3.) It's only a problem for the old and sick. Let high risk people stay home and let the rest of us get on with our lives. Okay, maybe someone who appeared young and healthy died, but how do we know they didn't have an undiagnosed condition? And if not? So what? Occasionally young healthy people die, it happens. But we can't shut the country down and hide in our houses because a handful of healthy young people get unlucky.
4.) How many people die from cancer, car crashes, drug overdoses, etc... every week? People die. We don't shut down the country after holiday weekends when drunk driving fatalities increase.
5.) The statistics are lies. Anyone who tests positive and dies at this time goes on the Coronavirus fatality list. Positive for Coronavirus and die in a car crash? Officially your death goes on the Coronavirus list. Hospice patients who die and test positive are always listed as Coronavirus fatalities, not what they were dying from in the first place. Recovering from a mild case and get shot in a robbery? Coronavirus fatality. If you're old and sickly and die while infected with the Coronavirus, you were dying anyway, this just sped things up a bit.
6.) More people will die from the effects of destroying the economy than from the virus. Suicide, domestic violence, violent robberies, lack of fresh air and exercise, starvation, stress, and lack of affording medical care will kill many times as many people as actually die from the virus.
7.) We're punishing and destroying an entire nation for a handful of problem areas where it's out of control. Quarantine the problem cities and and let the rest of us have our lives back.
I mean, those opinions and responses are everywhere on social media. Any tweet, Facebook post, online news story... A significant percentage of the population doesn't care. It would take a New York and Italy scenario in suburbs, small towns, and in all of the cities across the nation for them to start to care.
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Post by scrapngranny on Apr 12, 2020 16:15:02 GMT
Each one of those numbers represents a real person, who had a real life with real loved ones.
They may have been older, had pre-existing conditions, that make so many feel like their lives and deaths don’t matter.
I have been extremely frustrated with the government is taking our rights away because we can’t pack a church on Easter. They seem to forget the restrictions are to save your ignorant lives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 16:19:58 GMT
I have to say that you have to look at cases per capita for an accurate representation. Graph might not look the same then especially as most of those numbers come from NY which is very dense. Not excusing our response, which has been shocking. I agree with you that looking at graphs for figures to compare different countries can be inaccurate for a number of reasons. Different countries use different criteria when recording as well as being dependent on the number tested. BUT the death rate in New York city being higher than a comparable city cannot be denied. It is much much higher than in other countries. London is equally as dense, population wise, as NY in fact London has over 9 million population to NY's roughly 8 million, yet the death numbers are poles apart - NY 8627 to London at 2577. As for comparing data per capita - the polulation of China far outstrips the US. Yes. one can agree that China has possibly not released accurate figure but can you also be sure that figures from the US are accurate as to how many are infected?How are they collected, what figures are collected? That applies to all countries though not just US. I know the number infected are far higher in London than what is recorded as they only record numbers that are admitted to hospital. Comparison on how many are infected is virtually impossible to do between countries unless they all record in the same manner. Death figures don't have the same inaccuracies.
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Post by Olan on Apr 12, 2020 16:26:15 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 12, 2020 16:34:29 GMT
I agree with that some people just don't care. They still adhere to the-this is way overblown theory. I am doing some door screening at our clinics and hospitals, and trust me, you would NOT believe people. I've seen/heard it all, from one extreme to the other. you have the ones that think we are being rude in screening them to come in to a medical facility. No, we are not picking on your,or being rude. We are asking every single person these questions. you are being rude by not letting us do our jobs. And then you have the fearful elderly coming in with masks they made themselves at home. gloves, and barely making it in the door, fearful, but knowing they need to attend their eye injections or lab work.
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Post by casii on Apr 12, 2020 16:36:40 GMT
This made me shake with rage this morning. If you can't access the WaPo pay wall, read the thread.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Apr 12, 2020 16:51:00 GMT
Each one of those numbers represents a real person, who had a real life with real loved ones. They may have been older, had pre-existing conditions, that make so many feel like their lives and deaths don’t matter. I have been extremely frustrated with the government is taking our rights away because we can’t pack a church on Easter. They seem to forget the restrictions are to save your ignorant lives. Exactly I am 51 with asthma and a few other issues. I also have three fairly young children (youngest just turned 8) it would destroy our family and leave three young kids without a Mother.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 12, 2020 17:12:27 GMT
This made me shake with rage this morning. If you can't access the WaPo pay wall, read the thread. Honestly I was not shocked at all when I read this today. Not one bit. He doesn’t get it. He doesn’t get the danger. He doesn’t care about the extreme loss of life that would occur should this be allowed to happen. All he cares about is the damn economy and his numbers.
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 12, 2020 17:25:32 GMT
I have to say that you have to look at cases per capita for an accurate representation. Graph might not look the same then especially as most of those numbers come from NY which is very dense. Not excusing our response, which has been shocking. The problem is that we have tested a very small number of people ,We probably have four time more people that are sick and the dead are not counted accurately either , a lot of people dying in a nursing home that are not being tested and so they’re not being counted. Well Duh! No testing keeps the numbers down for the orange moron.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 12, 2020 17:30:08 GMT
I think Americans are also just particularly unsuited for a quarantine. If the government tells us to do something, our immediate reaction is no. And our government is particularly unsuited to and unlikely to enforce a quarantine (and I’m not necessarily saying that’s a bad thing).
I don’t think Trump is handling this well at all and I’m not defending him.
I just also think that there are interesting cultural dynamics in play. Americans pride themselves on rugged individualism. We are programmed to question authority. We don’t want government to expand or have more power.
In my area there have been numerous lawsuits in federal court challenging city lockdown orders. Businesses defy county orders. Individuals defy city orders. And no one enforces them.
If people aren’t going to comply regardless, maybe we should start looking at how to reopen things as safely as possible.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Apr 12, 2020 17:31:16 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 12, 2020 17:38:02 GMT
I have seen more and more posts the last few days that reflect the attitudes in tracyarts post above. I would love to see things go back to normal and be able to engage in all of our usual activities. But I don't want to do it too soon that everything we have done so far is for nothing, and that many lives are lost.
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Post by katlady on Apr 12, 2020 17:42:18 GMT
I think Americans are also just particularly unsuited for a quarantine. If the government tells us to do something, our immediate reaction is no. And our government is particularly unsuited to and unlikely to enforce a quarantine (and I’m not necessarily saying that’s a bad thing). I don’t think Trump is handling this well at all and I’m not defending him. I just also think that there are interesting cultural dynamics in play. Americans pride themselves on rugged individualism. We are programmed to question authority. We don’t want government to expand or have more power. In my area there have been numerous lawsuits in federal court challenging city lockdown orders. Businesses defy county orders. Individuals defy city orders. And no one enforces them. If people aren’t going to comply regardless, maybe we should start looking at how to reopen things as safely as possible. I agree with this. Americans are individualist. As opposed to a nation like Japan were the citizens think of the good of the entire country before they think of themselves. I see it on my NextDoor app. Many people are arguing about the government taking away our rights. Hopefully there are enough of us staying home to lower the number of cases.
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Apr 12, 2020 17:54:03 GMT
I agree with that some people just don't care. They still adhere to the-this is way overblown theory. I am doing some door screening at our clinics and hospitals, and trust me, you would NOT believe people. I've seen/heard it all, from one extreme to the other. you have the ones that think we are being rude in screening them to come in to a medical facility. No, we are not picking on your,or being rude. We are asking every single person these questions. you are being rude by not letting us do our jobs. And then you have the fearful elderly coming in with masks they made themselves at home. gloves, and barely making it in the door, fearful, but knowing they need to attend their eye injections or lab work. I redeployed as a front line screener at work for two weeks before I went off work and man, I could not take that day in and day out. I sympathize with everyone having to deal with that. Not to mention the lies- we screened someone at the front desk who later went on to tell the surgeon in his appointment that he had been in China five days before. Needless to say, our doctor lost it! The majority of everyone understands and is caring and honest but the ones who aren't - So frustrating. I worry so much about what this is going to do to your country. It's so divided already, fanned by the flames of your president, and I just don't understand how this just won't further wedge the divide between people. It is so sad to see this play out. The US is in my thoughts daily, and I hope you can see some change and unification come from this in November and over time.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Apr 12, 2020 18:00:33 GMT
I think Americans are also just particularly unsuited for a quarantine. If the government tells us to do something, our immediate reaction is no. And our government is particularly unsuited to and unlikely to enforce a quarantine (and I’m not necessarily saying that’s a bad thing). I don’t think Trump is handling this well at all and I’m not defending him. I just also think that there are interesting cultural dynamics in play. Americans pride themselves on rugged individualism. We are programmed to question authority. We don’t want government to expand or have more power. In my area there have been numerous lawsuits in federal court challenging city lockdown orders. Businesses defy county orders. Individuals defy city orders. And no one enforces them. If people aren’t going to comply regardless, maybe we should start looking at how to reopen things as safely as possible. DH and I have been having conversations about something along this line. What has priority, the economy or public safety? The obvious answer seems to be public safety, but if things continue as they are how many people will start to get depressed, how many will not be able to control their depression? How many more will commit suicide? How many more domestic violence attacks will there be? How many more children will be abused? All because the economic impact on some families is too much. Is there a balance? No one answer is right for everyone or all areas.
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Post by seaexplore on Apr 12, 2020 18:01:18 GMT
This made me shake with rage this morning. If you can't access the WaPo pay wall, read the thread. Honestly I was not shocked at all when I read this today. Not one bit. He doesn’t get it. He doesn’t get the danger. He doesn’t care about the extreme loss of life that would occur should this be allowed to happen. All he cares about is the damn economy and his numbers. We are pieces in his economic chess game. Totally disposable. 😢
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Post by hop2 on Apr 12, 2020 18:48:43 GMT
I think Americans are also just particularly unsuited for a quarantine. If the government tells us to do something, our immediate reaction is no. And our government is particularly unsuited to and unlikely to enforce a quarantine (and I’m not necessarily saying that’s a bad thing). I don’t think Trump is handling this well at all and I’m not defending him. I just also think that there are interesting cultural dynamics in play. Americans pride themselves on rugged individualism. We are programmed to question authority. We don’t want government to expand or have more power. In my area there have been numerous lawsuits in federal court challenging city lockdown orders. Businesses defy county orders. Individuals defy city orders. And no one enforces them. If people aren’t going to comply regardless, maybe we should start looking at how to reopen things as safely as possible. I agree with this. Americans are individualist. As opposed to a nation like Japan were the citizens think of the good of the entire country before they think of themselves. I see it on my NextDoor app. Many people are arguing about the government taking away our rights. Hopefully there are enough of us staying home to lower the number of cases. Well, FYi, not everyone is doing what they are supposed to in Japan. Tokyo is a catastrophe waiting to happen. They weren’t testing anyone for the longest time, they are barely testing people now, there is still not a in shelter in place for everyone, businesses are not all listening to the limited shut down list and their work culture is worse than ours about being allowed to work from home. My daughter had to quit her job because her language school expected her to come in to teach video lessons she could just as easily do from her apartment. ( after they spent 2 days ignoring the ‘shut down suggestions’ from the government ) Japan used the head in the sand ignoring it policy for too long, and now that they did issue some policies- no the entire country is not listening to the government. Frankly, NY city did a better job of clearing the streets than I ever thought possible.
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Post by Peal on Apr 12, 2020 19:23:17 GMT
My experience is that people don't care. You can show them easy to understand graphics illustrating the situation and they still don't care. We're in trouble because people don't care. 2.) So what if our numbers are higher than Italy, we have a much larger population than Italy, so in reality it's not as big of a problem here as it is there. China? China lies. Their statistics mean nothing because they're not accurate. We have more cases because we have more people, period. China does lie and their statistic should be disregarded. That doesn't change what our stats are though and they should not be disregarded. They should make you (general you) concerned. Take a long hard look at what happened in Europe, because we are right behind them in the timeline. I have a BIL that was scoffing at my family's precautions because the new expected mortality had been adjusted to 60,000 in the US. "Just like how many die from the flu every year." Yes, a particularly bad flu year. And, people who survive the flu don't have organ damage for possibly the rest of their lives, but sure, it's no worse than the flu. We'll go ahead and wear masks and avoid people. This site has been posted here before, but it does a really good job of tracking infected, deaths, recovered, and tested by capita. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/And finally, Brene Brown said it best:
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 12, 2020 19:51:11 GMT
This made me shake with rage this morning. If you can't access the WaPo pay wall, read the thread. Honestly I was not shocked at all when I read this today. Not one bit. He doesn’t get it. He doesn’t get the danger. He doesn’t care about the extreme loss of life that would occur should this be allowed to happen. All he cares about is the damn economy and his numbers. He is stupid. Allowing it to run rampant, would’ve killed the economy most assuredly.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 12, 2020 20:11:14 GMT
A friend of mine posted on Facebook about all the discarded gloves on the ground she has been seeing everywhere and it morphed into this big corona thread that had pretty much everything tracyarts listed in her post. It’s really troubling to me that so many people JUST.DON’T.GET.IT. This thing is, it’s going to get so bad that it will literally be a situation of six degrees (or less) of separation between every person in the US and someone who dies from this thing and that is absolutely unacceptable to me.
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Post by SockMonkey on Apr 12, 2020 21:14:06 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 12, 2020 21:23:21 GMT
We probably have four time more people that are sick and the dead are not counted accurately either New York City has been having over 200+ deaths AT home.... Normal is under 25. NYPD detectives must investigate and not finding anything suspicious, thus more likely coronavirus related deaths. They are not being counted. Coroners all over the country do not have access to test kits and are not listing cause of death as coronavirus. At most it says unknown.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 12, 2020 21:37:05 GMT
There are new numbers on who is getting it! ** The data also isn’t complete. While information on age and sex of those who tested positive is mostly whole, race and ethnicity is only known for about 21% of cases. So who has been hardest hit so far by COVID-19 as of April 10, the most recent data available? Those ages 30 to 64 are testing positive at a higher rate than other age groups. But those age 80 and older are most likely to be hospitalized. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, about 4.2 million adults aged 30-64 live in New Jersey, or 47% of the population. But people aged 30-64 account for 65% of all COVID-19 patients in the state, the Department of Health’s data shows. That equates to more than 35,000 people in that age range, more than any other. ** www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/who-is-most-likely-to-have-coronavirus-in-nj-those-ages-30-64-new-data-shows.html
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Apr 12, 2020 23:41:13 GMT
I think Americans are also just particularly unsuited for a quarantine. If the government tells us to do something, our immediate reaction is no. And our government is particularly unsuited to and unlikely to enforce a quarantine (and I’m not necessarily saying that’s a bad thing). I don’t think Trump is handling this well at all and I’m not defending him. I just also think that there are interesting cultural dynamics in play. Americans pride themselves on rugged individualism. We are programmed to question authority. We don’t want government to expand or have more power. In my area there have been numerous lawsuits in federal court challenging city lockdown orders. Businesses defy county orders. Individuals defy city orders. And no one enforces them. If people aren’t going to comply regardless, maybe we should start looking at how to reopen things as safely as possible. yeah, we should stop enforcing any kind of lawbreaking, for sure. I mean, people aren't complying with speed limits, drunk driving laws, whatever, so really, why bother since people aren't going to comply anyway.
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