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Post by wendifful on Apr 21, 2020 8:00:39 GMT
Hi all! So I own a Minc but don't have a laser printer. Eventually, I'd like to buy one, but right now, I don't have the space for it. A few years ago, I tried sending some documents to Staples to be printed, but when I foiled them, the results were very inconsistent (lots of black specks of toner still showing). I chose a white cardstock and black and white printing, so I'm not sure why it didn't work. I'm hoping one of the Peas has successfully used laser printed items from an office supply store and can share what paper/printing method they used. I've done some googling and even though many tutorials recommend using an office supply store as an alternative to owning a laser printer, I can't find anyone who's used that method (and therefore has tips on what to recommend). Any tips are appreciated! Thanks!
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christinec68
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Post by christinec68 on Apr 21, 2020 13:16:46 GMT
It might be the quality of the toner. I have an HP laser printer but when I had one of those toner refills, the foiling didn't work well at all. Also, can you choose the print quality when you submit the job? When I print for foiling, I choose the best/highest dpi setting available.
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Post by lindas on Apr 21, 2020 13:33:23 GMT
Since they do custom foiled invitations and cards if they know that's what you want to do with your print job they should know to use the proper settings and paper for the job.
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Apr 21, 2020 14:34:43 GMT
From what I understand, the toner has to have a lot of plastic in it for it to work right. Apparently my local print shop doesn't because I didn't get the quality I expected when I did this several years ago. I was so disappointed, I was expecting good things from it.
I did better printing on vellum with my ink jet and immediately putting very fine clear embossing powder on it, and running that through my laminator the the foil I've used several techniques for foiling and all worked better than printing stuff at the print shop. Mine is locally owned, you might have better luck with the chain print shops.
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Post by sunny1016 on Apr 21, 2020 16:49:03 GMT
I wondered about this as well. I sent some Christmas designs to a local Office Max last year and I could barely even tell they were foiled. They looked terrible. And I had them printed on a good cardstock -best printing.
I was thinking my design lines were too thin?
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Post by grammadee on Apr 21, 2020 17:29:03 GMT
From what I understand, the toner has to have a lot of plastic in it for it to work right. Apparently my local print shop doesn't because I didn't get the quality I expected when I did this several years ago. I was so disappointed, I was expecting good things from it. I did better printing on vellum with my ink jet and immediately putting very fine clear embossing powder on it, and running that through my laminator the the foil I've used several techniques for foiling and all worked better than printing stuff at the print shop. Mine is locally owned, you might have better luck with the chain print shops. So if I stamp with Versamark or coloured ink, add embossing powder then foil, and run through the Minc I will get a foiled image??? Do you set the powder first with a heat gun? This is mind blowing!!!!! |
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Post by kittens on Apr 22, 2020 3:53:41 GMT
Following as I have not been able to get good foiling results so I am interested in any ideas !
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Apr 22, 2020 5:24:41 GMT
From what I understand, the toner has to have a lot of plastic in it for it to work right. Apparently my local print shop doesn't because I didn't get the quality I expected when I did this several years ago. I was so disappointed, I was expecting good things from it. I did better printing on vellum with my ink jet and immediately putting very fine clear embossing powder on it, and running that through my laminator the the foil I've used several techniques for foiling and all worked better than printing stuff at the print shop. Mine is locally owned, you might have better luck with the chain print shops. So if I stamp with Versamark or coloured ink, add embossing powder then foil, and run through the Minc I will get a foiled image??? Do you set the powder first with a heat gun? This is mind blowing!!!!! This is my first official post anywhere with my new desktop computer!!! I was going nuts using the Windows 10 TEN inch tablet! DH's Windows 7 laptop TOO slow but took it off the internet in January... My tablet crashes on Facebook so how do I add my HTV shirts, cards and stuff to my page, had to design HTV shirts on tiny screen. I already have some monitors but a friend gave me a 20 inch monitor when she moved so I was able to go BIG! I can now watch Karen Burniston videos on the computer and not have to go to the TV. That is ok, but the bad thing is that all the short and long videos anywhere on Facebook were making my tablet crash.
I copied this from my blog from 5 years ago! Didn't realize it had been that long. I use the SAME foil with my HEAT PRESS now!  Siser, the company that makes the heat transfer vinyl I like best has a Siser Adhesive that was made for foil. It works on fabric but the foil does NOT hold well in washing. Works well for wall hangings. totes and pillows you aren't going to wash. Does fine on paper or cardstock. You can use Siser Adhesive with an iron if it is just on paper or something you won't wash but then as I said, the foil doesn't do well in washing. Maybe very mild hand washing.
------from my blog with some changes
It occurred to me to try foiling on heat embossed vellum. I've been printing on vellum and heat embossing for a long time. My Canon printers always worked better than HP printers. Especially, the printers that feed from the top and go straight down and come out at the bottom. As in, no turning a corner like most HP. Do NOT use "printable" vellum, would most likely dry WAY too quick. I just use regular scrapbooking vellum. PRINT on the SLICKEST side! I've tried many brands and most have a side that is slicker than the other. You do NOT want the ink to dry too soon. I have a piece of 12x12 cardstock laying on the table UNDER where the paper comes out of the printer so that I can immediately start pouring the embossing powder over the printed vellum. It helps to have a large piece of paper or cardstock underneath the vellum that just came out of the printer to keep the mess to a minimum! Use the heat gun on the embossing powder as usual.
It works better with a thinner font, the first one one I did was TOO wide because it spread too much. It will work best if the letters aren't printed TOO close, more likely to spread into one another if letters print to close to one another. Oh and do NOT run through the laminator more than once. Multiple times that usually works better on the laser, just makes the embossed (powder) letters just spread more. This first example is teal like the one below, foil is HARD to photograph! The script font worked fairly well. With more practice, I think I can get them to look good. Especially since a laser printer is NOT in my future and I do have a couple of packages of vellum. |
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Post by msliz on Apr 22, 2020 15:49:33 GMT
From what I understand, the toner has to have a lot of plastic in it for it to work right. Apparently my local print shop doesn't because I didn't get the quality I expected when I did this several years ago. I was so disappointed, I was expecting good things from it. I did better printing on vellum with my ink jet and immediately putting very fine clear embossing powder on it, and running that through my laminator the the foil I've used several techniques for foiling and all worked better than printing stuff at the print shop. Mine is locally owned, you might have better luck with the chain print shops. So if I stamp with Versamark or coloured ink, add embossing powder then foil, and run through the Minc I will get a foiled image??? Do you set the powder first with a heat gun? This is mind blowing!!!!! But, if you're going through the trouble of heat embossing anyway, why not just use a metallic embossing powder? Would the foil look that much different? |
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Apr 22, 2020 16:11:01 GMT
So if I stamp with Versamark or coloured ink, add embossing powder then foil, and run through the Minc I will get a foiled image??? Do you set the powder first with a heat gun? This is mind blowing!!!!! But, if you're going through the trouble of heat embossing anyway, why not just use a metallic embossing powder? Would the foil look that much different? Yes, VERY different, texture, more colors and foil is more metallic or maybe it is a mirror like finish unlike the embossing powder. I have LOTS of embossing powders and I love them but they are very different from foils. In foil, I have red, green, turquoise, brass, blue, purple, pink, and a roll each of oil spill and rainbow. As I said above, I use them for fabric wall hangings, etc. too, not just for paper. |
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Post by grammadee on Apr 22, 2020 16:14:07 GMT
So if I stamp with Versamark or coloured ink, add embossing powder then foil, and run through the Minc I will get a foiled image??? Do you set the powder first with a heat gun? This is mind blowing!!!!! But, if you're going through the trouble of heat embossing anyway, why not just use a metallic embossing powder? Would the foil look that much different? Trying this out this morning. The metallic ep's I have are pretty chunky and are limited to gold, silver, copper. If I can do this with foils, there is a whole new spectrum of colours! And I have fine ep's in white and clear, so I am playing with those. So far, I can see that there is a small learning curve, but it seems like something I could master easily. Planning to use this technique with my Mothers' Day cards. I am excited. |
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Post by msliz on Apr 22, 2020 18:14:38 GMT
But, if you're going through the trouble of heat embossing anyway, why not just use a metallic embossing powder? Would the foil look that much different? Yes, VERY different, texture, more colors and foil is more metallic or maybe it is a mirror like finish unlike the embossing powder. I have LOTS of embossing powders and I love them but they are very different from foils. In foil, I have red, green, turquoise, brass, blue, purple, pink, and a roll each of oil spill and rainbow. As I said above, I use them for fabric wall hangings, etc. too, not just for paper. I was thinking about the texture thing. Wouldn't foiling over embossing powder take on the textured finish of the heat embossed surface? Grammadee mentioned using XF powders, so I guess that would certainly help to minimize any texture, but I would think it would still be noticeable. ? Also, I'm unclear on one thing. At the point when you apply the foil, has the embossing powder already been heat set? Or is it still loose on the wet ink? |
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Apr 22, 2020 19:37:43 GMT
Yes, VERY different, texture, more colors and foil is more metallic or maybe it is a mirror like finish unlike the embossing powder. I have LOTS of embossing powders and I love them but they are very different from foils. In foil, I have red, green, turquoise, brass, blue, purple, pink, and a roll each of oil spill and rainbow. As I said above, I use them for fabric wall hangings, etc. too, not just for paper. I was thinking about the texture thing. Wouldn't foiling over embossing powder take on the textured finish of the heat embossed surface? Grammadee mentioned using XF powders, so I guess that would certainly help to minimize any texture, but I would think it would still be noticeable. ? Also, I'm unclear on one thing. At the point when you apply the foil, has the embossing powder already been heat set? Or is it still loose on the wet ink? As I said in my directions, I use the very fine clear embossing powder. In fact, I just checked my big "refill" bottle, it says Super Fine. When you run it through a laminator or Minc, it will smash it down a little more. That is why I said do NOT run it through the laminator more than once AND use a thin font because it WILL make it spread more each time you run it through.
Y'all have got me to wanting to play with it again! I'm off for several days, I'll try to make time to do some sentiments for the cards I'm making right now. I did some layered goldfish and some layered birds last week and need to make a popup and/or shadowbox card for them.
When you apply the foil, the embossing powder HAS been heat set.
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Post by msliz on Apr 22, 2020 20:23:48 GMT
Thank you to everyone on this thread. I want to try it out too!
(no foil on hand at the moment so it'll have to wait)
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Siser, the company that makes the heat transfer vinyl I like best has a Siser Adhesive that was made for foil. It works on fabric but the foil does NOT hold well in washing. Works well for wall hangings. totes and pillows you aren't going to wash. Does fine on paper or cardstock. You can use Siser Adhesive with an iron if it is just on paper or something you won't wash but then as I said, the foil doesn't do well in washing. Maybe very mild hand washing. 
