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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 28, 2020 15:34:42 GMT
I think the thing that has changed in me forever is my assumption that the majority of humankind will do the right thing when necessary. Common courtesy toward each other just isn’t as prevalent as I assumed it was. And prior to Trump’s behavior during this pandemic, I really had no idea of the number of sheep that would blindly follow someone giving stupid advice, regardless of the facts being offered, 100% provable facts, to the degree that they would endanger their own life without doing any research among greater minds. ^^^ YUP. I hope it does. We’ve (people all over) been too cavalier about not realizing something can happen to us. Not saving for a rainy day. Not thinking about where our countries get supplies and whether we can manufacture them locally if needed. yup. I wasn't aware that attempts at a corona virus vaccine had always been unsuccessful in the past. hmmm- I thought the influenza viruses were coronaviruses? no? I know they're not 100% preventive, but getting a flu vaccine at least lessens the chances of getting the flu, and/or lessens the duration or severity- doesn't it?
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Post by PLurker on Apr 28, 2020 15:35:24 GMT
I have been thinking about this since I posted my response. I think the thing that has changed in me forever is my assumption that the majority of humankind will do the right thing when necessary. Common courtesy toward each other just isn’t as prevalent as I assumed it was. And prior to Trump’s behavior during this pandemic, I really had no idea of the number of sheep that would blindly follow someone giving stupid advice, regardless of the facts being offered, 100% provable facts, to the degree that they would endanger their own life without doing any research among greater minds. I would also like to add that we all of a sudden we have more empathy for each other because (I'll use the ship analogy) all of our ships are sinking or at least taking on water through no fault of our own. I wish that empathy would spread to people on sinking ships or even the ship-less in "good times" often through circumstances that are also no fault of their own or without ability to right themselves. I hope "first timers" remember that, with or without a pandemic, there are always people out suffering just as much or even more than our now. They are deserving of the assistance that has recently come out for most because "we're in this together". Most of the time we're not in this together so we tend to forget that the need for many doesn't end when the pandemic does. We need to do better.
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Post by casii on Apr 28, 2020 15:42:00 GMT
Yes, it will change things forever. I realize now how much I internalized years of talk by my grandparents who grew up during the depression when late February/early March I found myself stocking up on an extra one or two things here and there, just in case. EVERY single person in my family, even sale shopping DH, laughed at me. Laugh no more fools!
But I disagree that it won't hit younger folks as much. Gen Z will now have lived through 9/11, 2 major financial crashes, a tug of war with their healthcare, Trump fugue and now this. All at a tender age.
What I really want is for my DSIL to get over having to live in the same town as his whackadoodle family, so they can at least move over the state line so I can see my grandbabies again because every other day, some member of his family breaks the quarantine rules, resetting the clock for even a socially distanced look at them. They're 16 months old. You can't tell them they can look, but not play with Grammy and Granddad.
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Post by Zee on Apr 28, 2020 15:47:17 GMT
I'll be the same. Only maybe quicker with the sanitizer.
I've always been a germaphobe at work (you kind of have to be, in a hospital) and much more relaxed out of the work setting. The only thing I've really changed is that I change my clothes before leaving work, keep my work shoes in a paper bag in the back of my car, and shower/wash my hair/dump my scrubs immediately in the wash. And I now have extra masks everywhere!
I always kept hand sanitizer in my purse and car for after shopping. That won't change.
Mentally I feel fine. I've welcomed the challenge of caring for these patients and I've been happy to be someone who can help. I've been in the Covid ICU for a few weeks since my unit is still closed and I've learned a lot. I've been super impressed with the ICU nurses, too. They've all been so compassionate and caring with their patients and that warms my heart.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 28, 2020 15:50:07 GMT
No, not at all. People are already moving on and it's not even over. It's only been about 6 weeks and people need their normal back.
I think we will mentally move on and learn nothing.
I will probably have toilet paper preservation issues for awhile.
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Post by bunnyhug on Apr 28, 2020 15:57:50 GMT
I’m an introvert who hates to be hugged/touched and who comes from a farm background, so the pantry, etc are always pretty well stocked. I despise going to concerts, but love theatre (while secretly wishing I could just livestream to home so I wouldn’t have to be stuffed in with all those people in the seats!) and local sporting events, not pro ones so much ... I’m reasonably satisfied with how my town, province and country are dealing with the pandemic situation. I think the only thing that will change is that I will be reluctant to visit my favourite places in the US for quite some time ... I just don’t trust that things are in hand ... I think my leisure travel will tend more towards Europe and/or the Caribbean for years to come—hopefully not forever, because I really do love Palm Springs!
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Post by PLurker on Apr 28, 2020 16:02:04 GMT
No, not at all. People are already moving on and it's not even over. It's only been about 6 weeks and people need their normal back. I think we will mentally move on and learn nothing. I will probably have toilet paper preservation issues for awhile.but the need to return to normal doesn't always mean your (subconscious or otherwise) mind will. As shown by your last line, I'm guessing many of those ready and willing to move on are doing so out of fear. That same fear will lead to having lingering changes to themselves, acknowledged or not. But what do I know. I'm not ready to charge back to "normal".
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Post by PEAcan pie on Apr 28, 2020 16:02:36 GMT
I plan to always have 2-3 months worth of essential supplies. Will make sure I have at least 10 each of n-95 masks/along with homemade ones for each family member (once they are readily available). I plan to have a bin with tuna/food etc that I will rotate a couple times a year.
I already bought the extra freezer/generator.
I would love if handshakes went away (a gentle pat on the shoulder would work for me lol). I will use hand sanitizer more regularly.
Yes, we will all be changed somewhat.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Apr 28, 2020 16:12:16 GMT
I’ve also been sourcing Perspex barriers and I was wondering this morning how I would dispose of them when it suddenly occurred to me that I may never have to dispose of them. They may become a permanent fixture. I had the same thought yesterday when checking out at the grocery store. It was the first time I'd been inside the store since they were installed. Once this is over, I'm going to be surprised if they are all taken down. If there is a change in society, I hope that all that hugging goes away. I have a large personal space and really can't stand when people want to hug rather than shake hands. Washing my hands after a handshake is much easier than dealing with sanitizing after a hug.
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Post by pjaye on Apr 28, 2020 16:37:01 GMT
hmmm- I thought the influenza viruses were coronaviruses? no? No. The common types of 'flu' are influenza viruses LINKDifferences between the two LINK
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 28, 2020 19:40:11 GMT
hmmm- I thought the influenza viruses were coronaviruses? no? No. The common types of 'flu' are influenza viruses LINKDifferences between the two LINKthanks, pjaye ... so there's nothing similar about the two diseases at ALL, then... not even a LITTLE. I thought the flu being a coronavirus is why people were saying 'it's just the flu' but they're all actually even MORE wrong than they thought. eta: and the fact that I thought the viruses themselves were similar is what would help them create a vaccine. But if they haven't ever developed a working vaccine for a coronavirus yet, well... that is pretty scary.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 28, 2020 20:18:04 GMT
pjaye I was told by a farmer that there is a generic coronavirus vaccine for animals. Somehow he was equating that to Covid-19 testing and vaccination. lol
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Post by used2scrap on Apr 28, 2020 20:34:47 GMT
Yes I think eventually when people come to terms that things aren’t going to just flip a switch and go back to “normal.”
9/11 had a fraction of the deaths, and we altered many aspects of our lives and accept them now as a new normal. I think this will be the same.
And everyone will keep more toilet paper and hand sanitizer on hand.
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Post by MaryMary on Apr 28, 2020 20:51:27 GMT
You know how people like to claim they’re not germaphobes (or prudes, or whatever) when posting because they don’t want to sound extreme. Well, I used to be able to say, “I’m not a germaphobe by any stretch!” But now, I totally am. I used to think people who didn’t want to shake hands with people or used their sleeves to open doors were going too far. But I never want to shake another person’s hand. If I’m out in public now I am so aware of all the surfaces and try to touch the absolute least amount of things. I can’t imagine I won’t relax about that eventually, but I feel like it will be a long time before that gets out of my system. And now that people are being very vocal about not thinking this virus is as deadly or serious as it is, i can imagine they don’t feel the precautions or guidelines apply to them. The idea of sacrificing for the common good is dead and my faith in community has taken a big hit. I hope that heals over time. I am exactly where Julee is.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 28, 2020 20:57:51 GMT
9/11 had a fraction of the deaths, and we altered many aspects of our lives and accept them now as a new normal. I think this will be the same. ^^^ yeah, good point. I don't understand why people think this situation will just magically be 'over with' on some predetermined day, just because DT says it will be, or *should* be. That viewpoint is kind of pointless-- and a bit exhausting to deal with.
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Post by papersilly on Apr 28, 2020 22:07:19 GMT
Yes. I think it will bring out a bit of the hoarder in all of us and a bit of the germaphobe.
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 28, 2020 22:15:43 GMT
Will I feel the effects forever? I don’t know. It depends upon the economy. Dh and I had to chat about what will happen if layoffs start.
Will it cause me to change outside of that? Probably not. We’ve always had a well-stocked pantry and live relatively simple lives.
I guess it all depends on if we get the virus and have serious complications and/or how long the damn thing sticks around.
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Post by Dallie on Apr 28, 2020 23:04:22 GMT
I truly do not think most people will change or be affected in the long term by this unless, god forbid, the death rate skyrockets widely.
As it is now, most people are going to think this was overblown and sadly, they will feel distrust of medical experts and scientists. One more excuse to be ignorant. Especially if the economy tanks. They will scapegoat science.
As for me, I am definitely going to be more vigilant about hygiene issues in public places. Having worked retail, I already knew how disgusting people were. how they treat service people worse than anjmals. But seeing people were throwing used tissues, masks, and gloves in shopping carts -- knowingly forcing workers to clean up after them in a pandemic -- I think humanity is full of people who actively behave in ways dangerous to others.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 28, 2020 23:36:57 GMT
The Great Depression lasted 10 years. We're going on two+ months. I think things will get back to normal (or very close) quite soon. I don't think everyone will get back to normal though, but I do believe people think things will change in a big way when often they don't. Think 911. Air travel changed, but most of the rest of the US got back to their lives pretty quickly.
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Post by pjaye on Apr 28, 2020 23:38:30 GMT
But if they haven't ever developed a working vaccine for a coronavirus yet, well... that is pretty scary. pjaye I was told by a farmer that there is a generic coronavirus vaccine for animals The guy they were interviewing was Dr Rob Grenfell from the Australian CSIRO Health & Biosecurity unit, it was actually the interviewer who said "we've never found a vaccine before" (it's at 5:50 in the clip) however they would have done their research and the Dr didn't correct him & I'm quite confident he'd know if there was a vaccine for any of the corona viruses in the past, although animals might be different as they wouldn't have to go through all the trials & safety concerns. I'll see if I can link it:
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Post by wordfish on Apr 29, 2020 1:10:31 GMT
This is an interesting question and it's one I have been thinking about on a number of levels.
First, I fight tendencies to stockpile. I will no longer do that. It eases my anxiety to know that I am well-stocked on toilet paper, for example. I used to always have a pretty big TP supply but then after much teasing from the family, I gave the TP inventory management over to my husband. Well, February 2020 hit and toward the end I started seeing TP shortage reports. Oh, HELL no. So I ordered a box on Amazon. A box that had 80 rolls . I'm good now. I have zero regrets about that. It's not like I could order LESS than one box, and TP had already disappeared from most shelves locally while I was not paying attention. At the time I ordered that box, we had 2 rolls plus what was in the bathrooms.
So now I am going to make a study of the prepper lifestyle. I don't think we need to go crazy with it, but we are going to have a much bigger supply of things after this is over. It's obviously not the time to do it now, while there are still some shortages of things. But later and a little at a time? Oh, yes. I have always thought the LDS thing where they work toward having a year's worth of basic food and other supplies was smart. Now I REALLY think it's smart.
Next, I have really tried not to think of some people as stupid. Ever since I was about 8 years old and my older sister told me that not everybody had the same level of "smartness" when I was getting annoyed that one of my little friends wasn't "getting" something (and what a charming 8-year-old I must have been), I have tried not to categorize people in terms of relative levels of intelligence. On the higher end of the IQ scale, sure. It's useful to know when there's a super smarty in the mix. But on the other end, it just seemed like it wouldn't be a good idea. In general, it's probably still not a great idea.
HOWEVER, since this whole pandemic has rolled out and we have all watched our circle, wide and near, react to it, the realization that there are just some absolute, complete idiots out there has been impossible for me to ignore. Normally, what difference does it really make if someone is just as dumb as a box of rocks? It doesn't really impact me or my people, right? Well, now it does. The interconnectedness of human beings on this planet is impossible to deny now. I realize that just saying this in itself probably makes me sound like a complete dumbass, but I have really been horrorstruck when slapped in the face with the knowledge that there are a lot of D-U-M-B people out there. And they are loud and aggressive with their stupidity. I find it all horrifying and a little terrifying. I prefer to just think of everyone as generally possessing more or less the same amount of common sense and intelligence, at least where it impacts me at all. It's been sobering to read such donkey-dumb thoughts and opinions on Facebook, some from people I previously respected. People in person, the few times I have been out to witness it? Even worse. I was in a hospital last week while my husband had surgery and the young woman across the bay was so massively just DULL and not getting the importance of, for example, wearing the mask she was given when she entered the hospital ("where's your mask?" "I don't know. I mean, I don't have it. I think I threw it in the trash" and on and on). I just found that having my little bubble of "whatever--denial or just don't care" burst in this regard has been a most unpleasant experience.
Next, I have long been interested in dystopian fiction, post-apocalyptic shows and scenarios. I think a lot of people are. One thing I remember people saying is how fast society would or did break down in that type of scenario. I never really thought that was real. However, watching the response of the federal government to this pandemic has changed my mind. Without turning this too political, HOLY SHIT. Even the state and local governments have often been completely blindsided by this pandemic that every "emergency" expert and panel and think tank has predicted for decades now. I now understand that the people who say that the veneer of society is very thin may have a more realistic understanding than I did. This is probably related to the "I'm going to be a mini-prepper" thoughts above. I no longer believe that we are very well-insulated from an event such as the one we are currently living through. I think we are hardly insulated at all, and basically when it comes down to it, thinking ahead and being smart about how we personally prepare for the future could very well mean the difference between who makes it and who doesn't. It was kind of a theoretical thought exercise before; now it's a lot more real. I don't think I need a huge arsenal of guns and ammo or that I need to move out to a remote location, but I definitely recognize that there is a lot I can and should do to make sure my family is in good shape to weather the next big thing.
We were very fortunate to be well-situated to ride this thing out in near-complete isolation (other than my husband's surgery), but there was some scrambling and thinking ahead that I would like to avoid in the future. We can't predict what exactly might be necessary for each given scenario the future might hold for us, but we can use our intelligence, common sense, and a knowledge of history along with expert recommendations to make reasonable preparations that cover the basics. Every year, FEMA (I think it's FEMA) puts out some directives about being prepped for an emergency. Living in Florida for a couple of decades, and living through a year of really bad hurricanes back in the day that impacted us directly, I do know most of the basics. I just let myself be lulled into some sense of denial that all of that might still be applicable now that we no longer live in Florida.
Last, I want to be the kind of person who lends a hand to people who are not as fortunate. Like probably most of you, I have made an effort to do that over these last few months. I don't have to look far to see people who are hurting and scared. I want to continue to be in the position to help in small ways when I see a need. It's important to continue that as a regular practice--not that we haven't helped people in the past, but I think I mean more in the newfound realization that we are all very interconnected. It's important that we continue to look out for our neighbors, for example. Here in my neighborhood, MANY people are gig economy workers. These people have been profoundly affected by the pandemic through absolutely no fault of their own. It's important to stay connected and aware and pitch in if we can. My husband and I are not wealthy by any means, but we have enough that we can share a little here and there.
So yeah, going forward, I don't think I am going to be the same. I don't want to be the same. I view this as a huge wake-up call. My lifestyle has been hermit-like for at least 10 years so my day-to-day really hasn't changed much, unlike probably billions of other people. I did take a voluntary furlough, but that has just afforded me some lovely, unexpected time for the first time since I was a teenager, probably. Every other time I have not been working full-time, I have had little kids or had to manage a move and a relocated household, etc. This has been an eye-opening part of the experience for me and has been a positive result of the pandemic. But other than that, my life really has changed very little except that my husband is now working from home full-time for the foreseeable future and our groceries nearly 100% are delivered to my front porch instead of just once in a while previously. But my outlook and how I plan to conduct things going forward has undergone a huge change.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Apr 29, 2020 4:10:19 GMT
I will never be the same.
I thought I was prepared. Had an emergency money fund. But, it may not be enough. I now am spending more on groceries than I planned for. I am a bargain shopper, who is now paying full price, for items that I always waited until they were on sale.
These days, you have to buy an item, when you find it. For as long as I remember(my entire adult life) I always buy paper towel, kitty litter, soup, and so many other things, etc..only when it's on sale. So what I usually spend on groceries and household has made my outgoing expenditures a lot higher.
In the future, when I rebuild my emergency savings....I aiming for triple what I think I need. This whole experience is going in the "lesson learned" file of my life.
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Post by zella on Apr 29, 2020 5:32:30 GMT
I used to think people who didn’t want to shake hands with people or used their sleeves to open doors were going too far. But I never want to shake another person’s hand. If I’m out in public now I am so aware of all the surfaces and try to touch the absolute least amount of things. I can’t imagine I won’t relax about that eventually, but I feel like it will be a long time before that gets out of my system. I think as time goes on and we (they, the scientists etc) learn more about the virus we will be able to hone down the possibilities and realities of how this is spread. Although now they say the virus can live for up to 72 hours on a surface, I read that that came from actively putting a strong sample on a surface for that specific test whereas in reality the amount and strength of the virus is likely to be much weaker and less 'dense' (if that's the right word) and we may hopefully find that the chances of catching it from a door handle for example is negligible. I'm like you and have, in the past, felt that my immune system is pretty robust and I didn't fuss about a few germs or dirt so I've had to fight that during these times. I think with more knowledge we'll be able (hopefully!!) to relax in some areas and get back to some sort of normal at least. I read that when people went in to clean the Diamond Princess, they found active virus on surfaces after 17 days. That scares the bejesus out of me!
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 29, 2020 5:42:00 GMT
I don’t think anything will truly change. People will likely create a stash of N95 masks when they’re eventually available. Perhaps people won’t feel as odd wearing a mask like they do in Asian countries when you’re sick, but that’s about it.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 29, 2020 5:52:24 GMT
I think it will but (assuming we get a good grip on it and it's largely under control) the thought won't be at the forefront of our minds in 5/10 years time. Of course those who lose loved ones will be more scarred by it than others sadly, so like wars etc it will leave more of a mark on some people than others and will affect our generation more than say my DDs in their 20s. This is pretty much how I feel. I think one of the biggest things that will change for me are handling restaurant menus, bottles of ketchup, etc. I've always been aware that they are prime places to spread germs, but that awareness has an urgency to it that was lacking before. Do you think this is the event that collectively changes our generation? I think this is AN event that changes all of us who live through it. I've already lived through a few that dramatically changed both me and my entire community. It's not like any of us will ever be able to forget what we've already experienced. but the need to return to normal doesn't always mean your (subconscious or otherwise) mind will. There is so much truth in this.
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Post by zella on Apr 29, 2020 6:20:33 GMT
I so agree with all the comments about disappointment with realizing how many truly dumb, and let's face it, also selfish and self-centered people there are around.
I think this will affect us in ways we still can't imagine or don't know. I fully believe there will be a second round of Covid that will hit the US in early fall if not sooner, and I believe the second round may well be far worse. I believe that we haven't even started to see the effects on the world economy. I was reading something yesterday, and it made so much sense. The writer used two examples: movie theaters, and Las Vegas. Movie theaters are mostly owned by 3 companies in the US. One of them, sorry I don't remember which, was already struggling prior to having to close all the theaters. They are now not paying rent on any of their leased properties, and they have a huge debt payment due this summer ($500 million I think). Even if movie theaters opened tomorrow, think of the problems: how many people would show up? How would they rearrange the seating to conform with social distancing? How would the use of masks affect concession sales and consumption? How many showings of movies could they do knowing each theater would need to be heavily cleaned between each showing? Now add to this the fact that movie companies aren't releasing movies at the moment, or are streaming them. Trolls World Tour was released to streaming and made $100 million in its first 3 weeks. Hmmm. Is it worth releasing movies to theaters anymore? I expect most movie theaters to go out of business in the next year.
Suppose we "open" Las Vegas tomorrow. Normally 70,000 people arrive there daily. Obviously that number wouldn't be reached. Most people, surely, wouldn't go to Vegas (and remember a lot of them are from outside the US, so they won't be going). The shows either won't be happening, or they'll have to do a massive seating rearrangement. Casinos, restaurants, nightclubs, hotels. None will be unaffected. It may take Vegas a very long time to recover. This kind of thing will affect aspects of our lives that we can't even imagine at the moment. I believe the world economies will have to change radically.
On a personal note, I am a germaphobe. This has just made it a lot worse. No handshakes thanks. No elbow bumps (eww, you coughed on that elbow). And no hugs except people I really know well and/or love. I will probably wear my mask indefinitely (I have many illnesses, and owned 2 fabric N-95 masks since long before the pandemic). I used to joke that I had enough paper products to last through a zombie apocalypse, but when we moved I stopped my monthly Amazon orders as we don't have as much storage here. THAT is starting again. And there are items I will buy once they are available that I didn't worry about before (sanitizing wipes, bleach, hand sanitizer come to mind). I am not sure I will ever feel safe again. I was a hermit before, this has intensified that, and my long-dormant agoraphobia has returned. I don't WANT to go anywhere. I only feel safe in my house. I also wonder if I'll ever really want to eat out again. I haven't, this entire time (it's been over 8 weeks). Even when my DH and DD got takeout. I just couldn't do it.
Oh, here's another thing: Two of the major cruise lines are now requiring a certificate signed by a doctor and won't allow anyone with a prexisting condition to cruise! No matter your age. Diabetes? Can't get on the ship. Asthma? Nope. Heart disease? No more cruises. Actually saw an example of the paper in a video. That's a change no one considered.
So yes, I think it will affect me for those reasons. I think it will affect all of us in ways we can't yet imagine. I don't think things will ever be like they were "pre Covid." And just think, in 50 years, even in 100 years, they'll be talking about this, just like we've been talking about The Spanish Flu.
Even if we could "return to normal" in terms of personal interactions, I think the economic issues will change our world as we've known it.
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Post by Legacy Girl on Apr 29, 2020 6:59:50 GMT
I will be more of a prepper in the future because of CV-19. I have never been this way before, but I cannot foresee a day when I won't feel the need to be prepared. And this situation has been a further wakeup call re: finances, as well. DH and I must do a better job of financial planning.
I had become afraid of events in large spaces even before CV-19. The mass shootings and large-scale violence made me jittery at any major event, especially if DD were with me. I am thankful that I am at a stage in my life where I've done most of the big events I've wanted to do. I've been to plenty of D-1 college football games. I've seen most of my favorite artists in concert. And while I continue to adore fairs and festivals, I will feel more comfortable going to those that will allow for social distancing, rather than packing people in.
I think I have become more comfortable with the idea of cooking at home and simplifying the meals I prepare, so I'm hopeful that that will continue. We were such frequent restaurant diners, and I always felt guilty about it (see financial planning note above). But I've considered that meme that says, "Before you get busy returning to all the things you used to do, make sure you only return to the things that are worth doing." For me, dropping some things from the busy-ness list may leave more time for cooking. AND, the idea of returning to some restaurants is a big "NO" for me, unless they change formats. For example, right before the shutdown, we celebrated my birthday at Mongolian BBQ, and I was disgusted by the sticky community utensils on the ingredients "bar." I've always tried to create my bowl by using a napkin to handle all the tongs (and then pitching the napkin once prepared). But germaphobe me won't ever be able to unsee (unfeel) that dirty scene and the shutdown that followed a week or so later. I'm pretty hopeful that moving forward, they will have a server behind the bar scooping up the ingredients you request and placing them in your bowl. If not (and if they survive), I won't be a customer.
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Post by inkedup on Apr 29, 2020 7:10:36 GMT
I think as time goes on and we (they, the scientists etc) learn more about the virus we will be able to hone down the possibilities and realities of how this is spread. Although now they say the virus can live for up to 72 hours on a surface, I read that that came from actively putting a strong sample on a surface for that specific test whereas in reality the amount and strength of the virus is likely to be much weaker and less 'dense' (if that's the right word) and we may hopefully find that the chances of catching it from a door handle for example is negligible. I'm like you and have, in the past, felt that my immune system is pretty robust and I didn't fuss about a few germs or dirt so I've had to fight that during these times. I think with more knowledge we'll be able (hopefully!!) to relax in some areas and get back to some sort of normal at least. I read that when people went in to clean the Diamond Princess, they found active virus on surfaces after 17 days. That scares the bejesus out of me! They found RNA, not active, live virus on the Princess at 17 days.
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Post by roberta on Apr 29, 2020 7:25:20 GMT
One word: Yes
Each of us in different ways however this is a huge event.
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Post by nlwilkins on Apr 29, 2020 7:32:16 GMT
I have a little personal experience with this. At thirteen, in 1962, a typhoon blew through the island of Guam and changed the life there for a long time. Most of the island was blown flat with the wind velocity meters broke at 215 knots. We lived through that night in a quonset hut and had to evacuate to next door's hut and then across the street to another hut that was a little more protected. Electricity did not come back on for months - water for weeks.
The emotional and economical effects of that storm have hung around to this day in the island. For myself, I still have nightmares and major stress any time a major hurricane hits Texas even though now we live over 200 miles inland. I had major issues from that for years, waking up in the middle of the night with anxiety attacks. (Evacuating from one hut to another, I was swept off my feet several times, holding my sisters hand is the only thing that kept from being swept away.)
Just think about that - this event was over in one night with after effects lasting months. Think of the Katrina survivors. If you have ever been around a group of them when they meet for the first time, stories are exchanged and talk is of what part of Louisiana they used to live in. It has affected them for the rest of their lives. But now, something has happened that has affected the whole world. Something that has crashed our economy and affected us in many, many ways. How could it NOT affect us for the rest of our lives. It is going to take a long, long time for things to get back to and type of normal. We are facing a very uncertain future when it comes to becoming a functional society again. Food chains are being broken, educational systems are changing before our eyes, healthcare is taking a beating, many, many big companies are going belly up, it is going to be a very hard world to survive in for a long time. Our government is going bankrupt, sooner or later there will not be any money to borrow and we will be on our own. There will be a price to pay for those checks going out to everybody and those loans that will not be paid back. With an inept government and lack of leadership and encouragement from those we traditional expect to provide it will be every man for himself. Pulling together to get out of this mess I fear may not happen.
So yes, I believe we will be changed for ever.
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