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Post by pretzels on Oct 27, 2014 19:45:50 GMT
UPDATE
I finally got through to animal control. She is still trying to get all the reports and statements. She said probably what will happen is that the owners will be hit with a citation that carries a substantial fine. That's all well and good, but what happens with those two dogs? So anyway, I'll update again tomorrow when I hear back.
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I live in a small, older subdivision. There are LOTS of kids in our neighborhood, ranging from baby to teen. The older kids (aged 6 on up) are always outside playing -- riding bikes, playing basketball, walking around the neighborhood, etc. I regularly run in our neighborhood.
On Saturday, a pair of dogs that live in the neighborhood pulled a dog from a neighboring yard through loose board in the fence and killed her. I have never seen these dogs, but they bark incessantly whenever I'm running in the neighborhood and bump up against the wooden fence they're behind (like they're trying to get out).
The family whose dog was killed is a single mom and two teens. There obviously was a ruckus, and a neighbor from across the street ran over to see what was happening. In an attempt to stop the mauling, he hit one of the out-of-control dogs a couple of times. (Not a smart thing to do, and he's lucky he didn't get injured.) The dog they killed was a chocolate lab, a real sweetheart. I've seen her being walked around the neighborhood and she was just so friendly. The family rushed her to the emergency vet, but she could not be helped.
Someone called 911, and since it was a weekend, the police came out AND DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THE DOGS OR THEIR OWNER. When they got into the backyard to see what had happened, there was the body of another dog there. This one was from a house nearby. They had let her out to use the bathroom and she got out of the fence. They put up some signs in the neighborhood, but I guess just figured she ran away.
So, two dogs have killed two other dogs and nothing is done, period. The PD did, however, ticket the neighbor across the street for animal cruelty for trying to stop the dog fight. WTF?
How is this possible? These dogs are obviously dangerous, and they do nothing? Do they have to attack a child before something is done?
I've called animal control; they're supposed to look into it and call me back. I will not let this go.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 19:49:34 GMT
I think you're right in pursuing this. Something needs to be done.
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Post by calgal08 on Oct 27, 2014 19:50:25 GMT
Keep fighting, do not let this go. As a dog owner I cannot even imagine how I would feel knowing there are 2 dogs in the neighborhood that have already killed 2 dogs. Not to mention, how an earth can the owners of the dangerous dogs let this happen. What has to happen before the police will do something? Does a child have to be the next victim?
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Post by kmk1112 on Oct 27, 2014 19:57:17 GMT
We had an incident here in town last year where a woman ended up being killed by a neighborhood dog that everyone had complained about over and over to the police and animal control. Turned out that animal control wanted to do more than they were allowed to do by law, and there are now new laws in the process of being approved that would allow them to do more in a case like this. As I recall, they were limited to things they actually saw happening, or something similar.
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Post by pretzels on Oct 27, 2014 19:59:19 GMT
According to our city ordinances, the animal control officer can destroy any animal he or she finds to be dangerous. I'd think these dogs qualify. I'm not one to randomly destroy animals -- I have a dog whom I really love -- but...these particular animals obviously haven't been socialized or trained and are dangerous.
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Post by *christine* on Oct 27, 2014 19:59:59 GMT
I guess I don't get why it matters what day of the week it was, except that on a weekend, there could have been more children around and in danger. I mean, is it the NSBR and the powers that be just don't show up on the weekends?
If any dog has killed two other dogs, in my area it would be quarantined. You don't hear of many labs or lab sized dogs being the ones that are killed, usually they go after much smaller dogs.
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Post by pretzels on Oct 27, 2014 20:02:16 GMT
I guess I don't get why it matters what day of the week it was, except that on a weekend, there could have been more children around and in danger. I mean, is it the NSBR and the powers that be just don't show up on the weekends? If any dog has killed two other dogs, in my area it would be quarantined. You don't hear of many labs or lab sized dogs being the ones that are killed, usually they go after much smaller dogs. We have a small town, and the animal control office isn't open on weekends. The police came out because they are always "open." I think the family's priority was getting help for their injured dog, and so the process got mixed up. But regardless, these dogs killed two dogs. Something should be done. My son said that the dogs that did the killings were bullmastiffs. I don't know anything about that breed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 20:02:40 GMT
Call your local paper. I'll bet if this incident got some publicity, something would get done.
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Post by alibama on Oct 27, 2014 20:02:52 GMT
Oh wow you are right to not let this go. I am so sad for the lady and her teens. I am hoping at least they didn't have to witness it happening. As for the guy getting a ticket for trying to stop them that is just stupid. I would fight that even though it probably would cost more to fight then the ticket is worth.
I can't believe they wouldn't do something about the dogs right then and there.
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Post by pretzels on Oct 27, 2014 20:03:06 GMT
Call your local paper. I'll bet if this incident got some publicity, something would get done. That's my next move after I hear back from animal control. |
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Post by originalvanillabean on Oct 27, 2014 20:03:30 GMT
That makes me sad for the family and who lost their dog and irate at the lack of consequence for the owners of the killer dogs. Please do not let this go pretzels. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 20:06:16 GMT
Agreed. I wouldn't let it go. I would also call the ASPCA or someone else. Someone has got to do something about this.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Oct 27, 2014 20:09:54 GMT
If I remember your right from the old board your from my hometown. All I can say is good luck with VPD! My mom still lives there and she is having issues with a dog that chases her and tries to bite her. She isn't a spring chicken anymore and is on blood thinners so if she gets bit it's really bad for her.
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Post by pretzels on Oct 27, 2014 20:13:08 GMT
If I remember your right from the old board your from my hometown. All I can say is good luck with VPD! My mom still lives there and she is having issues with a dog that chases her and tries to bite her. She isn't a spring chicken anymore and is on blood thinners so if she gets bit it's really bad for her. Yep. That's where I am. The animal control is no better. My in-laws' dog got loose several years ago. They looked and looked all afternoon and evening for him and didn't find him. So they left a bowl of his food on the back porch, fully expecting that he would be by the door in the morning. He wasn't. My mother-in-law called animal control that morning and they had a dog that sounded like hers. She told them she would be out there that afternoon to make sure and pick him up if it was (she had a doctor's appointment that morning). When she got there, a different person was there and they had put the dog to sleep. He was an older dog, but he was very well taken-care-of and loved. They said he seemed like he was in pain, so that's why they did that. My mother-in-law still tears up when she thinks about her dog sitting there alone, not understanding what was happening to him. So yeah, animal control is super awesome here. |
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Post by eebud on Oct 27, 2014 20:13:21 GMT
Oh wow you are right to not let this go. I am so sad for the lady and her teens. I am hoping at least they didn't have to witness it happening. As for the guy getting a ticket for trying to stop them that is just stupid. I would fight that even though it probably would cost more to fight then the ticket is worth. I can't believe they wouldn't do something about the dogs right then and there. I agree that I would fight this ticket. I would not hire a lawyer or anything like that. I would go into court and defend myself and hopefully get some neighbors to testify on my behalf. It doesn't have to cost a lot of money to fight something. I would get the newspaper involved regardless of what animal control does because of the ticket given to the neighbor who tried to stop it. The publicity alone might be enough for the police to dismiss the ticket. This story really makes me sick, sad and mad. I can only imagine what was happening to that poor lab as he/she was being mauled. |
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Post by scrapaddie on Oct 27, 2014 20:19:41 GMT
Just to.play devil's advocate.....
You don't know what happened to the small dog they found.... apparently it entered these dog`s yard.. and then what. It is possible the small dog was aggressive towards the larger dogs... sounds silly. But my boxer has been attacked several times by small ankle nippers! Fortunately, he just kind of gives them a look like, " what ARE you doing?!` and ignores them.... It is disturbing thAt the owners did nothing.
And in the case of the lab.... whose fence had the loose board? I can say that if.there were Aggressive dogs next door to my house. I would be very careful about my dog being in the yard! And the fence would be secure.
WhY 're the owners doing? I would think it would be up to them to file a complaint with animal control and/or the police.
As I said, I am only playing devil`s advocate. I feel so badly for the poor pup!
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Post by scrapaddie on Oct 27, 2014 20:21:20 GMT
If I remember your right from the old board your from my hometown. All I can say is good luck with VPD! My mom still lives there and she is having issues with a dog that chases her and tries to bite her. She isn't a spring chicken anymore and is on blood thinners so if she gets bit it's really bad for her. Yep. That's where I am. The animal control is no better. My in-laws' dog got loose several years ago. They looked and looked all afternoon and evening for him and didn't find him. So they left a bowl of his food on the back porch, fully expecting that he would be by the door in the morning. He wasn't. My mother-in-law called animal control that morning and they had a dog that sounded like hers. She told them she would be out there that afternoon to make sure and pick him up if it was (she had a doctor's appointment that morning). When she got there, a different person was there and they had put the dog to sleep. He was an older dog, but he was very well taken-care-of and loved. They said he seemed like he was in pain, so that's why they did that. My mother-in-law still tears up when she thinks about her dog sitting there alone, not understanding what was happening to him. So yeah, animal control is super awesome here. This story makes me tear up! Your poor mother!! |
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Post by pretzels on Oct 27, 2014 20:23:55 GMT
Just to.play devil's advocate..... You don't know what happened to the small dog they found.... apparently it entered these dog`s yard.. and then what. It is possible the small dog was aggressive towards the larger dogs... sounds silly. But my boxer has been attacked several times by small ankle nippers! Fortunately, he just kind of gives them a look like, " what ARE you doing?!` and ignores them.... It is disturbing thAt the owners did nothing. And in the case of the lab.... whose fence had the loose board? I can say that if.there were Aggressive dogs next door to my house. I would be very careful about my dog being in the yard! And the fence would be secure. WhY 're the owners doing? I would think it would be up to them to file a complaint with animal control and/or the police. As I said, I am only playing devil`s advocate. I feel so badly for the poor pup! The people who live in house where the dog was killed just moved there a few weeks ago. It's likely they didn't realize the board was loose (I don't know whose side it was on). We had a gap in our back fence that we didn't know about until our back-yard neighbor's dog came over to visit. I find the fact that your dogs could kill another dog in your back yard and you not know it (in the case of the other dog) to be super horrible and unrealistic. The people whose dog was killed have pursued it, but I think that if more people "pile on" it might make a difference. Plus, I have kids and a dog myself. I don't feel like we're safe now. BTW, I've been trying to call the animal control back (they were supposed to give me a call back). The line is busy. |
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Post by freebird on Oct 27, 2014 20:33:58 GMT
Last November I was cornered in my chicken coop by a pit pull that had just participated in killing almost all my chickens. This dog lives down the road from me and there's a pair of them. he didn't do a very good job of keeping them penned up. This was the THIRD incident. One of the dogs bit someone else and she had to have surgery.
Well, I was insistent (as were the other two victims) that the dogs be put down. He fought us on it and it end up in court. We all had to get on the stand. Reliving all that with those other 2 women was very scary. I cried for them because you could hear how terrified they were.
Neighbor had put down one dog, but refused on the younger one. He denied that dog did anything at all even though it was there when it attacked the one woman and trapped another woman while she walked. In the end, the dog got to live. That neighbor SWORE the dog was never going to be outside again but I see him go up and down my road every single sunday on his ATV with the dog on the back. I think he does it to taunt us. That neighbor now hates us and blames it all on me (I heard him saying pre-hearing it was my fault because my chickens were out).
The only thing that happened was that he was charged with animal neglect because of the fact that I shot at the dog (missed) and put the animal in danger. He pled guilty to that and had to pay me $175 for my lost chickens.
So.. my advice? Fight if you can, but don't be shocked when nothing happens. You'd be better off to throw some antifreeze in their back yard. I'm only about 50% kidding.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Oct 27, 2014 20:37:07 GMT
pretzels that's awful about your MIL dog. I can't even imagine. Sadly it's not surprising for that towns animal control office. I really hope you get this resolved!
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Post by gmcwife1 on Oct 27, 2014 20:38:32 GMT
Bullmastiffs are generally not aggressive dogs, but just about any breed can be aggressive  |
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Post by loco coco on Oct 27, 2014 20:39:16 GMT
so the pair of dogs was out loose and attacked another dog on its property? If so, hell yea I would keep fighting until something was done. If that happened to my dogs someone would be giving me answers
reach out to the local paper or on FB, stuff like this gets people riled up really quick!
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Post by eastcoastpea on Oct 27, 2014 21:12:26 GMT
That's some scary stuff.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Oct 27, 2014 22:51:41 GMT
That is horrible. I would call the local TV news station.
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Post by theroadlesstraveledp on Oct 27, 2014 23:07:16 GMT
Call your local paper. I'll bet if this incident got some publicity, something would get done. Yep. Pretty much the way to go. We have a community FB page for our city, that is where I would post this. |
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 27, 2014 23:13:23 GMT
Our dog was bit by another dog last spring. Long story short, animal control told me since it was not a person hurt the incident is treated as "property damage" and the other owner was responsible for our vet bills (technically considered the property damage). The Animal Control officers were only interested in whether or not the other dog was up-to-date on vaccinations and licensed.
In our county, if a dog bites a person, the dog is quarantined for 4 weeks. We had friends whose dog bit one of their DDs and if she bites again I believe she will be put down. This bite was completely provoked by the DDs teasing.
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Post by ladytrisha on Oct 27, 2014 23:30:13 GMT
If you have a local rescue organization try to get their input. There's a few that I know of thru Facebook (one is local, one is further away) and they are VERY vocal about following up with dog owners and law enforcement.
I will add that Bullmastiffs are being bred to bully breeds - imagine a bigger, heavier pitbull. The a$$holes who are running the fighting operations don't care about anything except the $ they make. If you're on FB, check out Marley's Mutts ... he has some horrific cruelty cases come thru him via Kern County Animal Control - my heart hurts, but he is in the community at schools trying to teach the children that abuse is NOT okay.
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Post by BuckeyeSandy on Oct 28, 2014 0:30:23 GMT
If you have a local rescue organization try to get their input. There's a few that I know of thru Facebook (one is local, one is further away) and they are VERY vocal about following up with dog owners and law enforcement. I will add that Bullmastiffs are being bred to bully breeds - imagine a bigger, heavier pitbull. The a$$holes who are running the fighting operations don't care about anything except the $ they make. If you're on FB, check out Marley's Mutts ... he has some horrific cruelty cases come thru him via Kern County Animal Control - my heart hurts, but he is in the community at schools trying to teach the children that abuse is NOT okay. Pretzels -- In my local area, the County Police would have cited the owner of the out of control dogs at the very least for not having control of them and the dogs injuring or killing another owned animal or a person. That a SECOND dog was found dead, that had been reported as missing -- failure to report a dangerous dog (killing another dog) and/or theft of livestock or owned animal, not reporting a found "owned" animal that was deceased. A "dangerous dog, that has killed livestock or an owned animal is allowed up to three chances, this especially true with puppies of breed with a known prey drive (hunting dogs in particular), older dogs get one or two chances, depending on whether an owned animal or livestock was injured or killed and what preceded the attack. (Was the dog defending itself? for example) I KNOW this because a friend and neighbor had her older shar-pei dog killed by two out of control mutts (mixed breeds) own by a neighbor (near her). This man’s two dogs had dragged her dog out of her yard and killed her. The mutts’ owner buried the body, then a day later 'fessed up after his dogs attacked a child (age 6) and Animal Control came out. The man's dogs were taken for observation for rabies, and he was arrested and spent the night in jail (he went off on the Animal Control Officer). Animal Control in my county IS under the Police. All uniformed Animal Control Officers are County Police Officer, not all Police are Animal Control Officers. The next day, several people went canvassing the neighborhood asking if anyone had previous unreported incidents with this man's dogs. A few more incidents came up and were reported. The dogs were humanely PTS after a series of hearings. As we are getting more suburban not rural, lots of changes in the personnel and in the attitudes, we also have very active dog groups that do keep the heat on things. |
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 28, 2014 0:46:52 GMT
Call the news stations.
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Post by Zee on Oct 28, 2014 2:38:11 GMT
I could possibly see that maybe there isn't much they can do for the owners of the dogs who got loose and were killed. They should have been contained, and it sounds like they entered the property of the killer dogs, not the other way around. Doesn't make it right, but I'm talking legally.
BUT the fact that there is a hole in the fence means that there is a HUGE safety issue with the killer dogs. Obviously they are aggressive at least to other dogs, and next time they may break through the fence. I'm surprised they haven't already, if it's big enough to pull a lab through. There is no telling if they could be a risk to people. No matter whose fence has the hole, those dogs are not properly contained and are a big liability for the owners AND, imo, for the authorities who now know about this problem but did nothing to fix it.
ETA and a ticket for animal cruelty fur trying to stop a mauling? Oh hell no. I think I might even spring for an attorney for that one, just because it's the principle of the thing. I'd be furious over that. No good deed goes unpunished.
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