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Post by cakediva on May 7, 2020 13:25:05 GMT
I've had several people post it (and then comment watch before it gets removed!!) and say "the truth is coming out!"
I really don't want to click on it and watch - does anybody know what the jist of this whole thing is?
I'm pretty sure it's conspiracy theories galore....but the whole "watch before it is censored" "are we in a communist country where freedom of speech is not allowed" comments have my nosy self intrigued lol.
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Post by dillydally on May 7, 2020 13:41:10 GMT
A co-worker texted it to a group text last night. I haven't watched all of it yet, but the first couple minutes had me super skeptical. I don't want to reply until I have some more info.
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Post by momsanta on May 7, 2020 13:55:28 GMT
I watched it...trying to keep an open mind and look at all sides.... It is anti vaccine. Claims Dr. Fauci was “in on” the outbreak. Claims if you got a flu shot you are more susceptible to Covid 19. I needed to rest my eyes afterward- they were very tired from all the rolling
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Post by natscraps on May 7, 2020 14:52:20 GMT
It wasn’t anti-vaccine in the way we normally talk about. It was anti- the business behind vaccines. At least that’s what I gathered. It was a lot about corruption in the health and pharmaceutical industry.
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 7, 2020 15:01:49 GMT
I’ll be honest I’m curious to but really don’t want to waste 30 minutes.
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Post by hop2 on May 7, 2020 15:04:25 GMT
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on May 7, 2020 15:11:29 GMT
I needed to rest my eyes afterward- they were very tired from all the rolling This literally made me laugh out loud
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Post by seaexplore on May 7, 2020 15:14:43 GMT
I’ll be honest I’m curious to but really don’t want to waste 30 minutes. Same. That's why I'm here. LOL
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Post by dillydally on May 7, 2020 15:35:29 GMT
I watched it...trying to keep an open mind and look at all sides.... It is anti vaccine. Claims Dr. Fauci was “in on” the outbreak. Claims if you got a flu shot you are more susceptible to Covid 19. I needed to rest my eyes afterward- they were very tired from all the rolling Ugh. I'm not even going to reply to the text; just not something I want to get into at work.
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Post by scrappinghappy on May 7, 2020 15:48:44 GMT
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Post by roxley on May 7, 2020 15:54:19 GMT
There was some “conspiracy“ about Dr. Fauci that I have no idea about.
It was a lot about capitalism and medicine and how it has ruined it. I believe a lot of this is probably true, we have just lately seen needed medicines stop being made because no one can make money off of them, and we have seen business jack up the price to make more money. She spoke a lot about how capitalism has hurt medicine and gave examples from when she was a top doctor during the AIDS epidemic. Again, no idea if what she said is true, but it wasn’t so far “out there” based on what we have seen with meds lately.
The two doctors in black appear to believe we are fighting this the wrong way. Their ideas are vastly different from the great majority of the medical community. They believe only compromised or the elderly should be wearing masks. They think being in our home is hurting our immune systems because we aren’t out in the world making them stronger.
That is the gist that I got, along with some crazy things that made me roll my eyes. 😜
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Post by sassyangel on May 7, 2020 17:48:57 GMT
I've had several people post it (and then comment watch before it gets removed!!) and say "the truth is coming out!" I really don't want to click on it and watch - does anybody know what the jist of this whole thing is? I'm pretty sure it's conspiracy theories galore....but the whole "watch before it is censored" "are we in a communist country where freedom of speech is not allowed" comments have my nosy self intrigued lol. That’s sort of the point to adding it to the post. They want you to be intrigued. They want you to feel like you’re entering some special fountain true knowledge that the sheeple are too clueless to know, by viewing it.
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Post by stittsygirl on May 7, 2020 18:03:48 GMT
I’ve had 51 years out in the world to make my immune system stronger. I’m going to mitigate the chance of contracting this particular virus, and possibly passing it on to other more vulnerable people, any way I can until we have a vaccine or better treatments  . Though it is true I don’t trust the pharmaceutical industry a whole lot.
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Post by pyccku on May 7, 2020 18:09:25 GMT
They think being in our home is hurting our immune systems because we aren’t out in the world making money for other people. Fixed that for you.
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Post by roxley on May 7, 2020 18:33:55 GMT
They think being in our home is hurting our immune systems because we aren’t out in the world making money for other people. Fixed that for you. Either the medical corporations want us in our homes to make money off the vaccines, or other corporations want us out making money for them. I guess we are in a no win situation no matter who we listen too. 😂
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Post by dillydally on May 7, 2020 20:06:04 GMT
I've had several people post it (and then comment watch before it gets removed!!) and say "the truth is coming out!" I really don't want to click on it and watch - does anybody know what the jist of this whole thing is? I'm pretty sure it's conspiracy theories galore....but the whole "watch before it is censored" "are we in a communist country where freedom of speech is not allowed" comments have my nosy self intrigued lol. That’s sort of the point to adding it to the post. They want you to be intrigued. They want you to feel like you’re entering some special fountain true knowledge that the sheeple are too clueless to know, by viewing it. I'll go conspiracy theory on the conspiracy theory video...do you think the people behind the video are the ones pulling it down and not YouTube? Actually, I'm semi serious on that - I don't get why YouTube would pull the video down - maybe it is ridiculous, but is it harmful? (Maybe it is; I still haven't watched). But on the other hand, the people behind the video can say "see, we are being censored!"
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Post by smasonnc on May 7, 2020 20:12:53 GMT
That’s sort of the point to adding it to the post. They want you to be intrigued. They want you to feel like you’re entering some special fountain true knowledge that the sheeple are too clueless to know, by viewing it. I'll go conspiracy theory on the conspiracy theory video...do you think the people behind the video are the ones pulling it down and not YouTube? Actually, I'm semi serious on that - I don't get why YouTube would pull the video down - maybe it is ridiculous, but is it harmful? (Maybe it is; I still haven't watched). But on the other hand, the people behind the video can say "see, we are being censored!"
They’re cracking down on false or misleading content. This certainly qualifies. What you said is something to think about.
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Post by dillydally on May 7, 2020 20:14:16 GMT
I'll go conspiracy theory on the conspiracy theory video...do you think the people behind the video are the ones pulling it down and not YouTube? Actually, I'm semi serious on that - I don't get why YouTube would pull the video down - maybe it is ridiculous, but is it harmful? (Maybe it is; I still haven't watched). But on the other hand, the people behind the video can say "see, we are being censored!"
They’re cracking down on false or misleading content. This certainly qualifies. What you said is something to think about. Gotcha. I don't get out on youtube too much but when I do, it sure seems like there is a lot of crap out there that isn't being removed.
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Post by eyesopen on May 7, 2020 21:26:07 GMT
This is not conspiracy theory, watch the video,these are scientists making complete sense. How can you not know something is amiss with how we're handling a virus with over 99% survival rate? We're doomed financially from this nonsense! Just watch the video with no preconceived ideas and if you're actually interested in the truth, you can't help but see it
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Post by smginaz Suzy on May 7, 2020 21:30:42 GMT
This is not conspiracy theory, watch the video,these are scientists making complete sense. How can you not know something is amiss with how we're handling a virus with over 99% survival rate? We're doomed financially from this nonsense! Just watch the video with no preconceived ideas and if you're actually interested in the truth, you can't help but see it Troll alert. Sure, just jump on the board and make your first post all about tin-foil conspiracy.
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Post by Merge on May 7, 2020 21:57:22 GMT
This is not conspiracy theory, watch the video,these are scientists making complete sense. How can you not know something is amiss with how we're handling a virus with over 99% survival rate? We're doomed financially from this nonsense! Just watch the video with no preconceived ideas and if you're actually interested in the truth, you can't help but see it Troll alert. Sure, just jump on the board and make your first post all about tin-foil conspiracy. Betcha that’s an alter for another member who doesn’t want the peas knowing she’s a conspiracy nut. “Eyes open.” Please.
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Post by scrapsotime on May 7, 2020 22:03:04 GMT
I went looking when I first saw this. Couldn't find where or when she worked with Dr Fauci. All I could find on her during the Aids epidemic is that she worked on methods to make sure biologic materials were free of HIV. Not that she was top doctor or researcher during that time. If anyone else can find this info I would like to see it.
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Post by seaexplore on May 7, 2020 22:04:47 GMT
This is not conspiracy theory, watch the video,these are scientists making complete sense. How can you not know something is amiss with how we're handling a virus with over 99% survival rate? We're doomed financially from this nonsense! Just watch the video with no preconceived ideas and if you're actually interested in the truth, you can't help but see it Troll alert. Sure, just jump on the board and make your first post all about tin-foil conspiracy. note the username.
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Post by scrapsotime on May 7, 2020 22:06:13 GMT
This is not conspiracy theory, watch the video,these are scientists making complete sense. How can you not know something is amiss with how we're handling a virus with over 99% survival rate? We're doomed financially from this nonsense! Just watch the video with no preconceived ideas and if you're actually interested in the truth, you can't help but see it I never take anything at face value. I've been looking at these claims for myself. So far I don't believe any of it.
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Post by johnnyr20 on May 8, 2020 1:20:12 GMT
I've had several people post it (and then comment watch before it gets removed!!) and say "the truth is coming out!" I really don't want to click on it and watch - does anybody know what the jist of this whole thing is? I'm pretty sure it's conspiracy theories galore....but the whole "watch before it is censored" "are we in a communist country where freedom of speech is not allowed" comments have my nosy self intrigued lol. www.dailymotion.com/video/x7trg4p
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Post by johnnyr20 on May 8, 2020 1:20:49 GMT
I watched it...trying to keep an open mind and look at all sides.... It is anti vaccine. Claims Dr. Fauci was “in on” the outbreak. Claims if you got a flu shot you are more susceptible to Covid 19. I needed to rest my eyes afterward- they were very tired from all the rolling www.dailymotion.com/video/x7trg4p
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Post by Peal on May 8, 2020 1:26:18 GMT
I think this graphic will clear everything up. I have stock-piled aluminum foil. If you can't find any locally, message me. I'm sure we can come to a mutually beneficial agreement. 
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Post by femalebusiness on May 8, 2020 1:27:17 GMT
And here we go....Why would anyone be dumb enough to click on a link by someone trolling with a phony screen name!
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Post by dazeepetals on May 8, 2020 2:00:45 GMT
I'm just going to leave this here. While I agree that there are likely parts of this that are factual, many of it is completely hogwash and no scientific evidence was presented to support it. A great documentary needs solid evidence, not the 2 Bakersfield Urgent Care MDs (whom I could go on about their horrible stats and extrapolation) and the Chiropractor (don't even get me started on this nut job who shilled some much in his video) and really only a single persons interview (who is very disgruntle about getting caught falsifying data).
A response to videos (including "Plandemic") by Judy Mikovits, PhD on the origins of COVID-19 and the harms of mask-wearing. As always, Mikovits' personal/ political / non-COVID beliefs are her own, and will not be discussed here.
Her three virology/immunology claims, and one public health claim:
1) Mask-wearing "activates the virus," continually re-infects the wearer, and risks killing the wearer via carbon dioxide.
2) The cell line in which the new coronavirus is cultured, Vero E6, originated in a US military laboratory and was recently transferred to Wuhan.
3) SARS-CoV-2 doesn't cause COVID-19; it's actually a retrovirus which was a contaminant in influenza vaccinations given in 2013-2014.
4) Predicting a pandemic, and planning a response to one, is suspicious.
A CLOTH MASK IS NOT A STEEL VAULT
Mikovits states that a mask causes the wearer to re-inhale our own carbon dioxide- "a toxic gas!" Fortunately, it's not a steel-lined trap. Just as you can suck air in through a mask rather easily, so can you exhale air out through it. If you'd like to feel the difference, clamp your hand over your mouth and nose and take a stroll. Also, exhaled air is about 16% oxygen, versus atmospheric air which sits at 21%. It's not pure carbon dioxide, like the clouds on Venus.
You also cannot infect yourself with your own virus. If it comes out of you (i.e. virus droplets in exhaled breath) putting it back in you won't make you any sicker. Being exposed to the atmosphere- in fact, leaving its host cell at all- is a very precarious thing for a virus. It risks drying out its protective moisture coat and falling apart. Taking a brief, exciting tour out your nose, into your mask, and back inside does not energize it, but instead risks inactivating it entirely
LOTS OF SCIENTISTS USE THE SAME TOOLS- LIKE PIPETTES, OR CELLS DEVELOPED IN JAPAN IN 1962
Cell lines usually die, so it's really handy if you can find some which won't- immortal cells. Some such cells were isolated by Japanese researchers in 1962 from the kidneys of green monkeys (in Spanish, "verde reno"). Line #6 divided more slowly, making it useful for slow-growing viruses. They've been a cornerstone of medical research ever since, and are used in every country of the world which bothers to conduct virology research. Voila- Vero E6. There is no connection to the US military/ USAMRIID other than they, too, use them. The military also uses light bulbs and pipettes and wear shoes.
WE AREN'T MAKING ALL THOSE CORONA BEER JOKES FOR NOTHING
Mikovits states that not everyone with SARS-CoV-2 gets sick, and people without the virus also develop respiratory infections and pneumonias. Therefore, she says, it can't possibly cause COVID-19. Yes, indeed. Many people mount a competent immune response and knock that sucker straight out of the park, and never become clinically ill (asymptomatic cases). Other people have other diseases. Not all that glitters is gold, and not all that coughs is COVID.
If in doubt, look at the amazing electron micrographs of the coronavirus in the alveolar cells in the lung. Look at the pictures of the viruses' spike protein doing damage in deceased patients' lung cells.
WHEN ALL YOU HAVE IS A HAMMER (OR PLASMID), EVERYTHING'S A NAIL
Judy Mikovits' background is highly relevant to understanding how she arrived at the last half of claim 3. She worked as a virologist and became interested in an obscure, harmless mouse retrovirus which she hypothesized was the cause of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. She claimed she identified this virus in the blood of CFS patients, had many papers published, and enjoyed the spotlight that came with the BOMBSHELL discovery of a viral/infectious origin of a chronic condition.
Then, the penny dropped. Namely, two researchers pulled her actual samples from CFS patients and found bacterial plasmid DNA mixed up with the retroviruses. (Bacterial plasmids are the FedEx of the laboratory: a very useful delivery service humans hijack to drop genes in where they want). Meaning? She spiked the punch. She dropped the virus in completely artificially. It was all knowingly fraudulent. Her papers were retracted, her funding was yanked, she was fired, and she faced some jail time. Her version of this story is a frequent subject of her books and videos.
Re: vaccines contaminated with mouse viruses which have been dormant for years and are the real cause of COVID: there is no evidence for any of this whatsoever. For starters, vaccines for viruses are not developed in mice for mass production: some are grown in eggs / chick embryos, and others are grown in the Vero cells mentioned above. If any of Mikovits' claims were true, we might see monkey or chicken viral contaminants- but we don't.
I'VE GOT A CUNNING PLAN
Do you own a fire extinguisher? Do your children do active shooter drills at school? Does the military run training exercises in the event of land, air and sea invasions? Does planning a response to any of those very unfortunate events actually cause them to happen?
For infectious pandemics: viruses are constantly trying to 'jump hosts.' It's a certainty that one eventually will. It's a certainty that bacteria continue to acquire resistance to antibiotics. It would be dereliction of duty- some serious hand-washing, but not the good kind- to not have a response ready.
SOURCES
Robert H Silverman, Jaydip Das Gupta, Judy A Mikovits et al. Partial Retraction. Detection of an Infectious Retrovirus, XMRV, in Blood Cells of Patients With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Published Erratum Science 2011 Oct 14;334(6053):176.
Ammerman NC, Beier-Sexton M, and Azad AF. Growth and Maintenance of Vero Cell Lines. Curr Protoc Microbiol. 2008 Nov; APPENDIX: Appendix–4E.
Smith J, Lipsitch M, and Almond JW. Vaccine production, distribution, access and uptake. Lancet. 2011 Jul 30; 378(9789): 428–438.
Judy A Mikovits. A) "Plandemic." B) Interview with Christina Agauyo, April 30, 2020. C) "Valuetainment" interview with Patrick Bet-David, April 29, 2020.
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Post by jackietex on May 8, 2020 2:13:23 GMT
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