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Post by lovestocreate on May 17, 2020 6:50:36 GMT
I've been searching for some decent watercolors and had no idea how many there are! Hero Arts, Avery Elle, Prima, Altenew, Zig.... and more. The Daniel Smith paints look beautiful but I'm not wanting to spend 10 to 20 dollars per color. What watercolors do you use, and do you love them? I'm wanting to make backgrounds, and paint in stamped images. Bonus if the paints are good for painting actual pictures as I'd love to learn to watercolor!
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Post by camcas on May 17, 2020 9:20:31 GMT
I have the Amy Tan travel set and the Altenew 24 and metallic sets - all lovely and not too $
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Post by pancakes on May 17, 2020 12:07:41 GMT
What form of watercolors do you think you need? There are liquid, tube, and pan varieties. Liquid is fun for mixed media, but they are definitely less portable. Tube are more expensive than pan, generally, but you can alter the consistency and use them more like gouache or a thicker paint. For pan, I like the Kuretake sets — I dropped mine on the ground, though, and it shattered. Totally gutted. www.dickblick.com/products/kuretake-gansai-tambi-watercolor-paint-pan-sets/
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Post by honeypea on May 17, 2020 13:16:50 GMT
I have a Sakura Koi set that is very nice. I ordered from Amazon about a year ago and it was around $20. The same set us now priced at $32 - quarantine has made the price of so many hobby products soar online.
I’d recommend though! The colors are rich and there is no residue. That cheapie set you see a lot of people with that has all the circles of paint? It’s the one Amy Tan began with when she very very first started trying to paint, Ali has it too. It’s only like $6 at JA, but it leaves a powdery rough finish on top of the paper. It feels like powdered chalk. I’d pass on that.
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Post by LisaDV on May 17, 2020 13:35:15 GMT
I have watercolor pan, tubes, pencils, and crayons. All are fun to use for mixed media. For coloring card images I tend to use the pencils and pans the most. For backgrounds I tend to use the tubes and the crayons the most. I also have super cheap sets from teaching art classes to littles. If that's what you can afford, I say get that to play with. I've made some cute backgrounds with them. My pencils are Stampin' Up as I was a demonstrator for a few years. My crayons are Caran d'Ache Neocolor II Artists' Crayon. I got some Derwent Inktense Blocks last year but haven't played with them yet. I have Reeves student grade tubes. Pans - I can't even remember it's been so long since I've used them (I think they're in my DD's room). mymodernmet.com/best-watercolor-paint-sets/
As to learning to really paint, there are expert watercolor artists that say always buy the best. And others that say buy a student grade first. You get what you pay for and the professional grade is different from student which is different from the cheap sets. But are you someone that may not really play with the set because of the cost as you are learning (don't want to waste it). Then a student grade would be better to start with so you can play and get the techniques before moving on to the more expensive ones. My personal motto is buy the best you can afford within reason camp.
Although if you are serious, maybe invest in a class now and purchase what the instructor suggests.
Maybe freebird will stop by and suggest. Have you seen her work? She is amazing!
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Post by elegantsufficiency on May 17, 2020 13:43:34 GMT
I would steer away from those with a personality's name on them and steer towards a set of artist's watercolours. As LisaDV suggests, you get what you pay for - pigments are expensive and the more costly brands will offer more intense colours. The Caran d'Ache Neocolour she suggests are a great place to begin as they are so versatile. You can use them as crayons or you can put down a blob of "scribble" to use as a watercolour. Or, of course, you can add water to any drawing or colouring you've done on a page. They're good quality and reasonably priced too. I'd go for pencils/crayons to begin with simply because they are so portable and easy to use. those in a box tend to get put away and...well, left in the box. Ask me how I know ;-)
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Post by clio on May 17, 2020 13:54:52 GMT
I started with the Koi set which wasn’t bad, but now use Daniel Smith for my cards and sketchbook. I’m also in the get the best you can afford camp. Yes, they’re expensive because they have more real pigment & less filler - the actual cost is in the pigment itself. With better paints you get better results and are less frustrated. They do have the smaller tubes in lots of colors now even Joanns carries them. You also use a lot less paint so they go further. I’ve been painting more seriously for the last 2 or 3 years and have only replaced one tube.(I fill 1/2 pans, let them dry & put them in a palette that I can take anywhere)
If you’re not ready for that, which is absolutely fine, try Winsor Newton Cotman which are a student grade from a company that makes professional paints, but again have a higher pigment/filler ratio. I’d avoid anything that has a “chalky” result they have lots of filler and very little color not worth it. Gansi Tambi are beautiful colors but very opaque and don’t have the translucent quality of watercolor-more like sumi-e painting tradition.
Another option is to buy a “mixing set” of good quality paint and learn to make your own color - it’s addictive and fun. there’s a free course from Emma Witte at thewatercolourcompany.com (British spelling, she’s Australian) that is terrific and teaches how to make color from 3 tubes. Highly recommend it! Once you’re comfortable with making color you can decide what convenience colors you want and slowly expand. Whatever you decide have fun watercolors are amazing.
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Post by GiantsFan on May 17, 2020 14:10:59 GMT
I usually smoosh distress inks (not the Oxides) on my mat and use them to watercolor. I also have two of the Kuretake Gansai Tambi sets. One in basic gem colors and the other in gold and silver metallics. And two sets of the Altenew liquid brush pens. I don't like using the pens directly to paper as I think too much comes out, so I scribble them on my mat and use my regular brush to apply to my project.
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Post by Embri on May 17, 2020 17:28:38 GMT
would steer away from those with a personality's name on them and steer towards a set of artist's watercolours. This is the best answer. Go buy from a company who's business is paint and only paint, even if you're going for a student grade set. You will get the best quality and value over rebranded 'designer' stuff from the scrapbook section. Those companies buy white-label products, usually the lowest quality stuff and just slap their own packaging on it.
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Post by freebird on May 17, 2020 21:01:51 GMT
I have watercolor pan, tubes, pencils, and crayons. All are fun to use for mixed media. For coloring card images I tend to use the pencils and pans the most. For backgrounds I tend to use the tubes and the crayons the most. I also have super cheap sets from teaching art classes to littles. If that's what you can afford, I say get that to play with. I've made some cute backgrounds with them. My pencils are Stampin' Up as I was a demonstrator for a few years. My crayons are Caran d'Ache Neocolor II Artists' Crayon. I got some Derwent Inktense Blocks last year but haven't played with them yet. I have Reeves student grade tubes. Pans - I can't even remember it's been so long since I've used them (I think they're in my DD's room). mymodernmet.com/best-watercolor-paint-sets/
As to learning to really paint, there are expert watercolor artists that say always buy the best. And others that say buy a student grade first. You get what you pay for and the professional grade is different from student which is different from the cheap sets. But are you someone that may not really play with the set because of the cost as you are learning (don't want to waste it). Then a student grade would be better to start with so you can play and get the techniques before moving on to the more expensive ones. My personal motto is buy the best you can afford within reason camp.
Although if you are serious, maybe invest in a class now and purchase what the instructor suggests.
Maybe freebird will stop by and suggest. Have you seen her work? She is amazing!
Hey, thanks for thinking of me and sharing!
You don't have to spend a bunch of money to get started in watercolor... you can, but it's not required. Technically, you need 3 colors (red, yellow, blue essentially) to make any color you want, but that takes some serious skill. How I got started was a student set but quickly outgrew it. So I went on ebay and bought a used set from someone and got basically every color in pans that I needed and a few random tubes. I painted out of that for several YEARS. Something to keep in mind, watercolor paint lasts a really long time. Technically, I could probably paint with a 100 year old pan. Watercolor really hasn't changed a whole lot over the years. You don't need the big 15 ml tubes ($10-20) when a 5ml tube will last you a really long time.
I mainly use daniel smith, davinci (Paul Jackson's colors in particular), and sennelier. Sennelier has been making paint since 1887 and probably a premier line of paint. I got lucky and acquired a complete watercolor set from them this past fall.
I would probably go for the best that I could afford. And when I say that, I mean for real. Don't buy something for $20 if you could easily pop for something that's $50-$100. I'd get a starter set with 6-12 colors and then add as you go along.
Same rules apply to brushes and paper. Get the best you can get - and none of that will you find at Walmart. (do NOT buy the blue XL pad). Get a good quality brush(es) that won't drop the load of water when you touch the paper.
Most importantly, paper and paint is not precious. Just do it and learn. If you have fun, you'll continue to do it and get better. You won't make a masterpiece out of the gate, but if you enjoy the process, you might be making masterpieces down the road.
I'm admin of a group on fb called "Watercolor Steps". Artists share their steps of how they created a watercolor. Be sure to answer all the questions and click "I agree" or we're not going to let you join.
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Post by Embri on May 18, 2020 2:29:35 GMT
You don't have to spend a bunch of money to get started in watercolor... you can, but it's not required. Technically, you need 3 colors (red, yellow, blue essentially) to make any color you want, but that takes some serious skill. You're going to need black as well, at the very minimum. And magenta/cyan in addition to primary red/blue helps a lot with colour mixing. The general premise is sound though - fewer, higher quality colours over lots of cheap ones will not only be a better investment, but encourage the acquisition of the essential skill of mixing colours.
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Post by wonderwoman on May 18, 2020 3:23:03 GMT
White Nights Watercolors
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Post by joblackford on May 18, 2020 4:00:39 GMT
I bought a set of Gansai Tambi paints secondhand here on the FSOT board. If you can find a set that someone else didn’t use much it’s a pretty nice way to get something to try without too big a commitment if you’re not sure you’ll watercolor often.
Using something a bit nicer with more pigment is quite satisfying after using crappy kids/craft ones.
I like using the neocolor crayons for little bits of color - I just scribble on the lid and use a water brush to pick up the color. Handy for adding a little shadow or coloring a smaller stamped image.
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Post by peachiceteas on May 18, 2020 7:23:23 GMT
Looooads of worthwhile advice in this thread. My number one tip is that I agree with the idea of buying the best you can afford. I know you're just starting out but watercolour really can become frustrating without good quality materials. It's not like acrylic paint where any kind will do and you'll get beautiful vibrant colours. The watercolour paint and the paper need to work in harmony.
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Post by freebird on May 18, 2020 14:20:44 GMT
You don't have to spend a bunch of money to get started in watercolor... you can, but it's not required. Technically, you need 3 colors (red, yellow, blue essentially) to make any color you want, but that takes some serious skill. You're going to need black as well, at the very minimum. And magenta/cyan in addition to primary red/blue helps a lot with colour mixing. The general premise is sound though - fewer, higher quality colours over lots of cheap ones will not only be a better investment, but encourage the acquisition of the essential skill of mixing colours.
You don't "need" black. I mix my own blacks. It makes it easier, but it's not required. Most watercolorists will recommend you mix your own.
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Post by pancakes on May 18, 2020 14:49:53 GMT
freebird what budget friendly paper would you recommend? It sounds like the blue xl pad is the Canson one? I thought they were a decent student level option.
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Post by freebird on May 18, 2020 16:00:27 GMT
freebird what budget friendly paper would you recommend? It sounds like the blue xl pad is the Canson one? I thought they were a decent student level option. I've painted on it before and it's terrible quality. It might be the sizing. It's really hard to work on. If I were going to start, I'd get a coupon from Hobby Lobby and get a pad or block of Arches 140lb cold press. With a coupon, it's fairly reasonable priced pack.
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Post by gizzy on May 18, 2020 16:04:01 GMT
freebird, thank you for the link the the facebook group. I just requested to join. I'm still at the stage of needing to learn how much water to load up the brush with. It will be nice to see how others do it.
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Post by Embri on May 18, 2020 17:34:31 GMT
You're going to need black as well, at the very minimum. And magenta/cyan in addition to primary red/blue helps a lot with colour mixing. The general premise is sound though - fewer, higher quality colours over lots of cheap ones will not only be a better investment, but encourage the acquisition of the essential skill of mixing colours.
You don't "need" black. I mix my own blacks. It makes it easier, but it's not required. Most watercolorists will recommend you mix your own.
I can see a very dark brown being possible relatively easily, but do you get a proper true black that way? I'd be very curious to see.
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Post by gale w on May 18, 2020 18:04:48 GMT
I just use peerless. I guess they're like the pans? But flatter?
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Post by freebird on May 18, 2020 18:13:28 GMT
You don't "need" black. I mix my own blacks. It makes it easier, but it's not required. Most watercolorists will recommend you mix your own.
I can see a very dark brown being possible relatively easily, but do you get a proper true black that way? I'd be very curious to see.
I did a youtube video on mixing blacks! I use Sepia and Indigo. It makes a pretty black black. There's lots of combos that you can choose, this is the one that was taught to me and it works so I just use it. I also use ivory black sometimes but not as much as I used to. I haven't tried it with the r/b/y but it should work in theory.
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Post by GiantsFan on May 18, 2020 19:02:10 GMT
freebird what budget friendly paper would you recommend? It sounds like the blue xl pad is the Canson one? I thought they were a decent student level option. I've painted on it before and it's terrible quality. It might be the sizing. It's really hard to work on. If I were going to start, I'd get a coupon from Hobby Lobby and get a pad or block of Arches 140lb cold press. With a coupon, it's fairly reasonable priced pack. I have two pads of the blue one but thought I'd try the Arches 140 cold press. What a difference. And I'm just using distress inks or cheap watercolors for card backgrounds. I bought the Arches a year ago on an Amazon deal for $13ish. It's more now, but worth it.
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Post by artgirl1 on May 18, 2020 19:42:54 GMT
I personally prefer Daniel Smith because of the amazing granulation, but it depends on the effect you want to achieve. I also use a few W&N, and Sennelier. Michaels now carries most of W&N, and many DS colors. It is 40% off about every 6 weeks, usually for a one day sale. I fill half pans that I purchase off amazon. Dick Blick is also a good supply company. I would skip Cotman and grumbacher because they tend to appear more opaque. Two artists that have amazing watercolor information : JaneBlundell.com and Lizsteel.com. Jane Blundell has swatches and comparisons of most manufacturers, and Liz Steel does a lot of mixing studies. You're going to need black as well, at the very minimum. I would recommend you mix your own black -Burnt Sienna and French Ultramarine or ultramarine and raw umber. Black watercolor is flat. If you want to get into mixing your own colors, and want to start with the basics, get red, blue and yellow in a warm tone and another set in cool tones to mix. Then you can add in colors that speak to you. If you buy on sale, you can keep to less than $100, including brushes and paper.
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Post by Embri on May 19, 2020 3:02:01 GMT
That is a lovely looking black in the video! But I'm still doubtful something as good could be made from just red, blue and yellow. Personal experiences have given me muddy browns, nothing close to a black. That said, nothing stopping anyone from mixing a bit of any colour into basic black to achieve the same thing. Most 'black' in the real world is anything but; it's just a really, really dark shade of some hue.
Burnt Sienna and Raw Umber are must haves anyway. There are just some tones that can't be mixed to look nearly as good or with as many undertones as pure pigments. I'm having to look for replacements for some 20+ year old acrylic ranges that simply aren't made anymore and it's a struggle to find the right matches.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 8:05:21 GMT
freebird gave you the best advice. I have been watercoloring a long time. If you want to learn watercolors please pick up a mid-range student level set that is around $30-$75. Stay away from the "craft" companies sets. Now, some of the brands are art grades. They do contract with art companies like Derwent, Staedtler, etc.... SU did this years ago. Jane Davenport is considered a "craft" company paint but I highly recommend her art products because Jane does actually have an art background and her quality is good. She is the exception to the rule. Even Jane's I prefer to have her sets as an addition to my artist grade brands. Only buy from craft companies if you have your heart set on their color lines and you have not learned how to color mix. A good student range is Prang. I was taught by a professional artist who used Prang. I have met a lot of professional artists who always keep a set of Prang in their watercoloring toolbox. I always felt like you were not a watercoloring artist unless you had a Prang palette in your possession. The black hue debate- I do buy black. I prefer to mix my colors to make a black paint. There is just so many different color gradients in black. IMO, even when you buy a black it is not a true black so that's why there are different black paints from one line. The black hue painting debate- willkempartschool.com/the-3-myths-of-black-in-mixing-paint-colours/gamblincolors.com/choosingblackoilpaint/I know these are oil painting articles. The same principles apply in color theory.
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Post by peachiceteas on May 19, 2020 8:22:03 GMT
I really like Irit Landgraf on Youtube for information about watercolours - she's a scrapbooker turned art journaller/watercolour enthusiast so I find her videos really accessible and easy to understand
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Post by clio on May 19, 2020 11:40:37 GMT
2 other excellent YouTube resources are Denise Soden “In Liquid Color” and Steve Mitchell “Mind of Watercolor” both are very informative and approachable.
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Post by lovestocreate on May 19, 2020 20:12:09 GMT
Oh my goodness, so much great information here. Thank you so much to everyone who commented! I haven't had much more than a few minutes here and there to read through this thread, but will be checking it all out more in depth.
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Post by taradid on May 20, 2020 0:08:08 GMT
I would also check out Lindsay the Frugal Crafter. Here is her blog: thefrugalcrafter.wordpress.com/Her videos are great - she will often compare brands and gives good reviews. I have learned tons from watching her!
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Post by 50offscrapper on May 21, 2020 1:58:51 GMT
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