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Post by houstonsandy on May 24, 2020 4:58:29 GMT
you would give them your insurance information, right? No big deal, right?
This is gonna be long....sorry.... Today was my mother's 90th birthday. DD, her boyfriend and I went down to see her for the day. We brought lunch stuff and cleaning supplies. Our "gift" to her was to clean her house. Let me start off by saying that her house is an embarrassing mess! My brother brings all of his work stuff there in cardboard boxes. Her whole formal living/dining room area is piled...literally piled....with a mountain of cardboard. Shipping boxes, packing boxes, ect. Not neatly stacked....just thrown in....covering the entire floor and all surfaces. You cannot even walk in there. You have to climb over boxes and step on flattened boxes. I don't have to tell you, I am afraid of what lives in that mess! The rest of her house is no better. They have three dogs and a few cats. There is dog and cat hair everywhere. The whole house is covered in dust and cobwebs. Its horrible. I hate spending any time there. I won't eat anything I did not personally bring or buy. There are bugs and roaches...ick! We have offered to pay to have someone come in to clean regularly, but she refuses. She says they will steal her things....sigh...she has nothing anyone would want to steal!
We tackled the kitchen and her bath room today. Again, every surface in the kitchen is covered with boxes and his business crap. There are piles and stacks of papers and magazines and old mail all over the counters. So much dirt and grime. I moved everything to clean all the surfaces, trying to organize things when I put it all back. I did find some very old, expired otc medications that I pitched. (things that had expired as far back as 2003). I did throw away the odd empty envelope, graduation notices from two years ago, expired coupons, obvious trash. The rest I put all in one tray for them to go through themselves (...they won't...it will all still be there 1 year from now) I swept, vacuumed and steam mopped. It looked so much better when I was done.
Anyways....my point is that we spent most of the day cleaning. Later in the evening brother wanted to drive out to the farms to look at the corn crops before picking up something for dinner. We got in the car....he put it in reverse and BAM!...backed into my car. Put a (deep, noticeable, paint scraped) dent in the front fender. I did not get angry or upset. It was an accident. I just said "Remind me to get your insurance info before we leave". Did our drive, ordered dinner to pick up at a local restaurant...went home...ate...packed up and got ready to leave. Now, you may have read in some of my previous posts that my brother and I often times do not get along very well. Today was going very smoothly! We were friendly to each other...all was good....until we were packed up and ready to leave and I asked for his insurance information. It was like flipping a switch! He went crazy! He refused to give me his insurance information. I thought he was joking around with me. So I said he could just send it to me later, because I probably wouldn't get with my insurance company or get an estimate until Tuesday anyways. He cannot believe that I am even going to have it fixed. Then he started saying "Just try and come after me...see what you get!" and then started screaming at me that all I wanted was to get money from them like always. Then he started yelling how every time I come down I just want more money from them and started bringing up every time I had needed some financial help from them. I was just trying to get out of the door at this point. I did not want to engage him any further. We didn't even get to say goodbye to mom....she was in another room...We just needed to leave quickly. He was following us out and down the driveway still yelling at us. Started on about how we didn't pay him for half the dinner? Certainly would have if he had asked... (We brought lunch...we didn't ask him to pay for any of it...). but I will mail him a check tomorrow for $30.... Was I really out of line expecting him to offer his insurance info so that I can file a claim?
Now I don't know what to tell my insurance company. If they know who is responsible they will try to go after him? That will make things even worse....If I just file on my insurance (take responsibility?) I'm stuck with the deductible?
Crap...either way I'm screwed. I just don't see what the big deal is? Other than he is just crazy! A perfectly nice day just went down the toilet in a matter of minutes! I don't know if my mom heard all of the commotion or not. I really hope she did not....but stuff like this is exactly why I do not go down there unless I absolutely have to!
Edited to add: its not just a little ding. It is a deep crease and the paint is scraped off. (white car/big black crease). Also, I am leasing the car so I am ultimately going to be responsible for the damage. Ford Explorer vs Mini Cooper....the Mini lost.
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Post by freecharlie on May 24, 2020 5:15:36 GMT
I'd offer it to my brother. I probably would not take it from him or file a claim that involved him unless the car wasn't drivable.
My guess is that since you had to type out all the cleaning stuff before you even got to the question, this is less about the car and is more about something else for one or both of you
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Post by houstonsandy on May 24, 2020 5:22:42 GMT
Yeah....we have issues....so many issues....I do resent the fact that he is responsible for the state that my mom's house is in. He thinks I should drive 2 hrs each way every weekend to come clean her house when it is entirely due to his sloppiness and his animals.
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Post by Why on May 24, 2020 6:46:54 GMT
I wonder if he even has insurance? I don't think you are out of line to expect him to do whatever is necessary to fix the car especially since it is a lease.
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Post by nlwilkins on May 24, 2020 6:52:21 GMT
I wonder if he even has insurance? I don't think you are out of line to expect him to do whatever is necessary to fix the car especially since it is a lease. This, me thinks the man protests too much.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on May 24, 2020 6:53:18 GMT
If he lives there he should be cleaning the house.
As for the dent, I certainly wouldn’t yell at my sibling about it. I would probably try to repair it without going through insurance though, if possible. With it being a leased car it isn’t something you can just let you - you either have to repair it now or pay when you turn in the car. In my family, my brother would bend over backwards to pay it before I even asked, my older sister would offer to pay or pay my deductible, my younger sister would say she’d pay then never bring it up again and hope you forget about it.
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Post by houstonsandy on May 24, 2020 6:59:25 GMT
I don't know about other states, but in Texas you have to have proof of insurance to get the state inspections and renew your registration sticker every year. He can well afford to have insurance. He is not in any financial bind by a long shot. I'm the one who is struggling financially after my divorce, and he full well knows it. He knows that paying for either the repair or the deductible myself will be an added expense I do not need right now.
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Post by houstonsandy on May 24, 2020 7:07:56 GMT
If he lives there he should be cleaning the house. In my family, my brother would bend over backwards to pay it before I even asked, my older sister would offer to pay or pay my deductible, my younger sister would say she’d pay then never bring it up again and hope you forget about it. He has his own house down the street from mom. He only showers and sleeps there though.
I envy your family dynamics.....I constantly yearn for a caring and supportive type of family instead of the dysfunctional one I seem to have..... it sucks feeling like you have no one you can turn to without receiving criticism and lectures.
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Post by tracylynn on May 24, 2020 8:45:14 GMT
Honestly, I'd call my insurance, tell them what happened, and give then his contract information when they ask. Let them deal with it.
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Post by Gravity on May 24, 2020 8:56:03 GMT
Honestly, I'd call my insurance, tell them what happened, and give then his contract information when they ask. Let them deal with it. This is exactly what I would do. You asked him for the information and he went nuts. Let the insurance company deal with him.
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Post by mikklynn on May 24, 2020 12:03:32 GMT
Screw him. He's a grown man. Tell your agent everything.
As to the state of your mom's house, I would also call social services. That is not a safe environment for your mother.
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Post by pierkiss on May 24, 2020 12:10:10 GMT
I accidentally backed into my mother in laws car right after we moved here. She came over to babysit, and parked her car on the far side of our driveway (we have a turn around pad thingy). My husband and I got into the car, and he was bugging me with questions and comments, so I was pretty distracted. I backed out of the garage and completely forgot my mother in laws car was there. Didn’t even bother to look in the mirror or the backup camera! 😣. Bam! Hit the car. I smushed up my bumper and knocked a hole into the side of her car. I was not driving super fast when I backed out of the garage, so the damage surprised me.
We exchanged insurances right then and there. Had a tiny giggle because we use the same insurance guy/company. They thought it was funny the next morning, and they said it’s actually pretty common to hear about family members actually smashing up their own cars.
There was no hesitation for either of us to give insurance info. This is exactly why we have car insurance. I pay a lot for mine, and I have always used it as needed. If my in laws had hit me I would have requested their info as well. The only reason I can come up with your brother being so weird about it would be because he doesn’t have car insurance.
I would probably tell my insurance who hit me in your shoes. We’ve had to deal with our car after a hit and run, and insurance didn’t cover as much as we thought they would. I think we had to still pay our deductible, whereas if you know who hit you they cover your deductible (maybe this varies based on state-that accident happened in VA). Also, I don’t like lying to people and companies I do business with. I would be paranoid they would find out and that there would be consequences for me.
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Post by Really Red on May 24, 2020 12:43:17 GMT
I'm sorry. You handled it fine.
If it were any of my siblings, I'd never ask them if it were the damage you stated. I would pay for it myself because it'd likely be around the deductible or less. Of course, my siblings would pay for it without me saying anything. That is how it should be. Your brother is wrong.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 24, 2020 13:57:53 GMT
Screw him. He's a grown man. Tell your agent everything. As to the state of your mom's house, I would also call social services. That is not a safe environment for your mother.
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Post by angieh1996 on May 24, 2020 14:02:43 GMT
I can’t imagine my sister acting like that. I’m sorry you have to deal with that. You could have called to cops. They wouldn’t give him a ticket since it’s was on private property, but they could probably have gotten his insurance info. At this point I’d give your insurance agent the info and let them go after your brother.
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Post by mom on May 24, 2020 14:06:03 GMT
I can’t imagine my sister acting like that. I’m sorry you have to deal with that. You could have called to cops. They wouldn’t give him a ticket since it’s was on private property, but they could probably have gotten his insurance info. At this point I’d give your insurance agent the info and let them go after your brother. I agree. The cops would write a report and you would give that to insurance. As it is now, he can deny he did it and you can't prove that he did.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 24, 2020 14:09:48 GMT
I'm sorry. You handled it fine. If it were any of my siblings, I'd never ask them if it were the damage you stated. I would pay for it myself because it'd likely be around the deductible or less. Of course, my siblings would pay for it without me saying anything. That is how it should be. Your brother is wrong. It’s an import and since it’s a lease it’s likely a newer model. I would be willing to bet that it will cost more to fix it than one might think. I have a 2017 Ford Escape that got a deep, creased door ding by some rando when I was parked at my kid’s school. No note, nothing. DH took it to the auto body guy he knows and the cost to fix it was well over our $500 deductible, and that was with the “you’re my bowling buddy” discount. I would at least get a couple estimates before deciding it’s not worth having insurance pursue it, especially since she will definitely take a hit if she doesn’t get it fixed before she turns it back in.
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Post by elaine on May 24, 2020 14:16:23 GMT
Stop engaging with your brother about it and turn it all over to your insurance agent.
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Post by Skellinton on May 24, 2020 14:21:09 GMT
I would ask my brother one more time for the insurance info and if he flips out again let your insurance know and they can deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 14:34:38 GMT
It's not personal, it's insurance. You aren't asking for his first born son.
You already have a broken relationship and I feel like since he has already made an issue of this, it isn't something that he is suddenly going to forgive-forget-let drop even if you are bullied into not filing a report with your insurance.
You have two options - pay it out of your pocket or file with your insurance. I don't think the first one is going to repair what seems like an already broken relationship.
ETA: I know he is your brother, but what type of relationship do you expect or hope to have with him after your mom passes? Do you think it is going to be better or worse (not counting this incident)?
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Post by aj2hall on May 24, 2020 15:18:15 GMT
I would get an estimate and give him that before contacting my insurance.
eta - I would also explain to him that it’s a lease and has to be fixed. He may be wondering why you’re bothering to fix a minor dent.
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Post by tincin on May 24, 2020 15:27:11 GMT
Call your agent and let them deal with it. He’s an ass. I wouldn’t send him a check for dinner either.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 15:28:15 GMT
Speaking from experience, cut all ties with your brother, he's an arsehole who uses verbal abuse to control you. You mentioned on another thread that he's 61 years old, he really isn't going to change his behaviour and you shouldn't have to walk on eggshells around him. I really hope he isn't treating your mother like this when no one else is around.
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Post by bc2ca on May 24, 2020 15:41:34 GMT
Now I don't know what to tell my insurance company. If they know who is responsible they will try to go after him? That will make things even worse....If I just file on my insurance (take responsibility?) I'm stuck with the deductible? Tell your insurance what happened, give them your brothers contact information, vehicle information (make/model/plate number) and the names of all witnesses. Or pay for the repair yourself and don't make an insurance claim. Don't report anything to your insurance unless you plan to be truthful and, yes, they will contact your brother for his insurance information. DS took DD's bumper off in our driveway (because he was paying attention to making sure he didn't take out a plant on the other side ) and we paid for the repair ourselves.
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Post by Rhondito on May 24, 2020 15:47:11 GMT
I would definitely let my insurance fix my brother's car or pay for it if I hit his vehicle.
While not a sibling, years ago when I was married, my husband backed into his best friend's car while he was at our house for dinner. There was no question whether we would pay for it or not. My husband walked in and said, "Hey man, I bumped into your car and dented it. I need to give you my insurance info so you can get it fixed."
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Post by dillydally on May 24, 2020 15:53:54 GMT
I would get an estimate and give him that before contacting my insurance. eta - I would also explain to him that it’s a lease and has to be fixed. He may be wondering why you’re bothering to fix a minor dent. Ditto - he may prefer to pay the cost in full rather than having insurance involved. That's what we did when my mom backed my car into my mailbox. Or, based on your post, he may be an ass and say he's not paying for it. In which case then I'd take the advice to have your insurance company get involved and handle it.
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Post by quiltz on May 24, 2020 21:08:52 GMT
you would give them your insurance information, right? No big deal, right?
This is gonna be long....sorry.... Today was my mother's 90th birthday. DD, her boyfriend and I went down to see her for the day. We brought lunch stuff and cleaning supplies. Our "gift" to her was to clean her house.
Let me start off by saying that her house is an embarrassing mess! My brother brings all of his work stuff there in cardboard boxes. Her whole formal living/dining room area is piled...literally piled....with a mountain of cardboard. Shipping boxes, packing boxes, ect. Not neatly stacked....just thrown in....covering the entire floor and all surfaces. You cannot even walk in there. You have to climb over boxes and step on flattened boxes. I don't have to tell you, I am afraid of what lives in that mess!
The rest of her house is no better. They have three dogs and a few cats. There is dog and cat hair everywhere. The whole house is covered in dust and cobwebs. Its horrible. I hate spending any time there.
I won't eat anything I did not personally bring or buy. There are bugs and roaches...ick! We have offered to pay to have someone come in to clean regularly, but she refuses. She says they will steal her things....sigh...she has nothing anyone would want to steal!
We tackled the kitchen and her bath room today. Again, every surface in the kitchen is covered with boxes and his business crap. There are piles and stacks of papers and magazines and old mail all over the counters. So much dirt and grime. I moved everything to clean all the surfaces, trying to organize things when I put it all back. I did find some very old, expired otc medications that I pitched. (things that had expired as far back as 2003). I did throw away the odd empty envelope, graduation notices from two years ago, expired coupons, obvious trash. The rest I put all in one tray for them to go through themselves (...they won't...it will all still be there 1 year from now) I swept, vacuumed and steam mopped. It looked so much better when I was done.
Anyways....my point is that we spent most of the day cleaning. Later in the evening brother wanted to drive out to the farms to look at the corn crops before picking up something for dinner. We got in the car....he put it in reverse and BAM!...backed into my car. Put a (deep, noticeable, paint scraped) dent in the front fender. I did not get angry or upset. It was an accident. I just said "Remind me to get your insurance info before we leave".
Did our drive, ordered dinner to pick up at a local restaurant...went home...ate...packed up and got ready to leave.
Now, you may have read in some of my previous posts that my brother and I often times do not get along very well. Today was going very smoothly! We were friendly to each other...all was good....until we were packed up and ready to leave and I asked for his insurance information.
It was like flipping a switch! He went crazy! He refused to give me his insurance information. I thought he was joking around with me. So I said he could just send it to me later, because I probably wouldn't get with my insurance company or get an estimate until Tuesday anyways.
He cannot believe that I am even going to have it fixed. Then he started saying "Just try and come after me...see what you get!" and then started screaming at me that all I wanted was to get money from them like always. Then he started yelling how every time I come down I just want more money from them and started bringing up every time I had needed some financial help from them.
I was just trying to get out of the door at this point. I did not want to engage him any further. We didn't even get to say goodbye to mom....she was in another room...We just needed to leave quickly. He was following us out and down the driveway still yelling at us. Started on about how we didn't pay him for half the dinner? Certainly would have if he had asked... (We brought lunch...we didn't ask him to pay for any of it...). but I will mail him a check tomorrow for $30....
Was I really out of line expecting him to offer his insurance info so that I can file a claim?
Now I don't know what to tell my insurance company. If they know who is responsible they will try to go after him? That will make things even worse....If I just file on my insurance (take responsibility?) I'm stuck with the deductible?
Crap...either way I'm screwed. I just don't see what the big deal is? Other than he is just crazy!
A perfectly nice day just went down the toilet in a matter of minutes! I don't know if my mom heard all of the commotion or not. I really hope she did not....but stuff like this is exactly why I do not go down there unless I absolutely have to!
Edited to add: its not just a little ding. It is a deep crease and the paint is scraped off. (white car/big black crease). Also, I am leasing the car so I am ultimately going to be responsible for the damage. Ford Explorer vs Mini Cooper....the Mini lost.
Paragraphs make your post easier to read.
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Post by Dallie on May 24, 2020 22:31:33 GMT
No decent person would hesitate to give their insurance info for an accident they caused. You already know that. Just like you know your brother is not a decent person.
My question is why you expected him to do the right thing? To say nothing of why you continue to interact with him beyond the bare minimum?
Abusers like this will a!ways find a way to abuse their targets. You are his target. He is Always going to find a way to abuse you. If it was not the car, I can guarantee you it would have been something else.
A!so.... Did anyone witness the actual hit? If not, you may get nothing from your insurance if your brother denies it. They are probably not going to do paint sample analysis (assuming his car left paint on yours) for an accident like this.
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Post by houstonsandy on May 24, 2020 22:58:13 GMT
My question is why you expected him to do the right thing? To say nothing of why you continue to interact with him beyond the bare minimum? A!so.... Did anyone witness the actual hit? If not, you may get nothing from your insurance if your brother denies it. They are probably not going to do paint sample analysis (assuming his car left paint on yours) for an accident like this. I guess I expected him to do the right thing because its just the normal thing people would do....? I really did not expect it to take such a turn. I know that if it had been anyone else that he had hit he would have immediately offered to take care of it. Mom, my dd and her boyfriend were all in the car when it happened, so yes...I have witnesses. He wouldn't deny it....he would just say it was my fault for parking where he could hit me.
I do keep interactions to a bare minimum with him. The only reason we went down was because it was my mom's 90th birthday. There was no way to avoid him being at the house....he is always at her house. The only way to not see him means we never would see my mom either. So until she passes, there will still be interactions with him.
She won't come stay with me for a few days....she doesn't like to leave her house overnight. Lord knows I would be so happy to leave that house for a few days or more....but she always has an excuse why she can't.
This is the damage:
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Post by scrapmaven on May 25, 2020 0:03:36 GMT
I think the bigger issue is that your 90 year old mother is living in a dangerous hoard. If you have to step over, under and through in order to get into her house, what happens when the paramedics have to do the same thing if she has a medical emergency? That is an unsafe house and if social services saw it then she would be removed from the house. Your brother isn't taking proper care of your mother. If you cannot take her to your house then it's time to find a good independent living facility for her. She's unsafe. Cars can be fixed.
As for the car, file a claim and give them his info. If you want to email him that you're doing so then he can deal w/it. If he sends a scathing email back just don't respond. He sounds unstable.
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