smartypants71
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Post by smartypants71 on May 26, 2020 21:00:21 GMT
Does Phil throw hissy fits like this often? If so, I would call the police every time he goes into a rage, especially if you hear him threaten someone. Get your other neighbors on the same page. When you call, tell them that you don't feel safe and that the mail carrier won't even deliver mail to your street because of this guy. You want a record of his behavior in case he ever becomes physically violent with someone. Does he live with family? If so, are they safe? He lives alone. I don't think anyone would put up with him LOL!
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Post by nlwilkins on May 26, 2020 21:21:32 GMT
You say these are townhouses. Are these rental, or do each of you own your place? If rental, the landlord needs to become involved.
Otherwise I would be calling the non-emergency police number and have a conversation about what can be done to help you feel safe in your own home and on your own property. Menacing is a Class A misdemeanor and it sounds like he makes a habit of it. Aggravated menacing is even more serious and it sounds like that is what he has done. If you EVER see a weapon, do not hesitate to call 911.
He is wacko and has no boundaries. You hear stories of how after a shooting people say they knew something was going to happen and yet they did not call authorities or anything. Don't be one of those people, don't wait for escalation, call now1 He is not going to change and will only get worse and you don't want to be feeling guilty if someone gets seriously hurt. Not that it would be your fault, but we are human that way.
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Post by stormsts on May 26, 2020 22:12:48 GMT
The mail carrier is probably afraid he will get the same fate of a mail carrier in Indiana - shot and killed. The USPS had warned the man multiple times that if he would not keep his dangerous dogs put up then they would no longer deliver his mail. It got to that point and he was told he could pick up his mail at the post office. He confronted the mail carrier on a neighbors porch one day and shot her.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on May 27, 2020 0:31:21 GMT
The Phils of the world are insufferable idiots who should be able to be prohibited from living anywhere near reasonable people. How aggravating that one asshole can screw things up for so many others undeserving of it.
I'm sorry. I hope your HOA and the local police can devise a plan to 'deal with' Phil and neutralize his idiocy.
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Post by auntkelly on May 27, 2020 0:46:45 GMT
I think you win the all-time worst neighbor award. I hope you and your neighbors find a way to deal with him.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 1:02:34 GMT
I'm so sorry.
Your neighbor sounds like too many Americans we're seeing daily on fb, twitter, the news - entitled assholes who are a threat and an affront to decent people everywhere.
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Post by Baseballmom23 on May 27, 2020 1:43:27 GMT
The mailboxes at my sons complex have the regular boxes for each unit and then four large boxes on the bottom that are operate with a key. If there is a package, the USPS places it in the large box and then locks that key in the regular mailbox (I hope that makes sense).
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Post by sassyangel on May 27, 2020 1:48:27 GMT
Oh that’s awful. I don’t blame them for not delivering, based on what he said to the mail carrier. But that sucks the rest of you are having your mail held hostage due to a raging neighbor.
I definitely think you need to get the HOA involved.
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Post by cade387 on May 27, 2020 1:54:57 GMT
Can you bring it up with the HOA? They should be able to make accommodations for you to receive your mail elsewhere in the neighborhood and deal with the other guy. I understand the postman’s feelings and don’t blame him, but I would think the USPS would swap routes during an investigation rather than stop mail for people not involved. but then the (probable) racist wins and mailman is punished, even if temporary. Especially if it is their regular route, the carrier is being inconvenienced and punished by the asshat. While I feel for the others involved by not getting their mail, the problem should be fix at the broken end. And it isn't at USPS' end. Phil needs to be "fixed" via HOA, neighbors, or nay appropriate authorities. If the inconvenience to others goes away by changing routes and Phil then feels better, it's a lot more probable that people will not confront Phil any longer because "all good in their world." Phil's the problem and the community needs to keep feeling that. I disagree. The USPS has two jobs here. To deliver mail to people and to keep their workers safe. They shouldn’t be off the hook for pushing the police to deal with him. They represent the worker and can manage as the victim. The HOA cannot bring the police into it as a third party who didn’t witness it. If the USPS doesn’t have someone willing to deliver the mail to those around this man who are not at fault (like the OP) then the USPS is responsible for communicating with them and giving them a free easy way to get their mail. The OP shouldn’t be punished for her neighbors actions, nor is it the OPs job to fight this on behalf of the postal worker. Why would she be asked to do that? It bothers me that the USPS just randomly stopped delivering mail without communication. What if that is someone’s pay check, tax refund, stimulus check, etc. and they just never get it? That in no way cancels out what the neighbor did (which is criminal and should be dealt with accordingly). They are two separate issues though. ETA- I also said during an investigation, which should mean maybe a week or so giving the police time to deal with the asshole. This isn’t taking him off his route completely.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 2:12:12 GMT
Considering Phil threw his tirade against a federal employee wouldn't the situation be reported to the USPIS (United States Postal Inspector Service)? Could you call someone at the USPIS and let them know this one guys bad behavior is affecting others and ask about something that could be done for y'alls mail until the investigation is over?
Our neighborhood HOA would not get involved in a situation like this because USPS mail is at the federal level and our HOA has zero say over out neighborhood mailboxes other than what color, style of mailboxes we can use and their placement.
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Post by elaine on May 27, 2020 3:18:17 GMT
but then the (probable) racist wins and mailman is punished, even if temporary. Especially if it is their regular route, the carrier is being inconvenienced and punished by the asshat. While I feel for the others involved by not getting their mail, the problem should be fix at the broken end. And it isn't at USPS' end. Phil needs to be "fixed" via HOA, neighbors, or nay appropriate authorities. If the inconvenience to others goes away by changing routes and Phil then feels better, it's a lot more probable that people will not confront Phil any longer because "all good in their world." Phil's the problem and the community needs to keep feeling that. I disagree. The USPS has two jobs here. To deliver mail to people and to keep their workers safe. They shouldn’t be off the hook for pushing the police to deal with him. They represent the worker and can manage as the victim. The HOA cannot bring the police into it as a third party who didn’t witness it. If the USPS doesn’t have someone willing to deliver the mail to those around this man who are not at fault (like the OP) then the USPS is responsible for communicating with them and giving them a free easy way to get their mail. The OP shouldn’t be punished for her neighbors actions, nor is it the OPs job to fight this on behalf of the postal worker. Why would she be asked to do that? It bothers me that the USPS just randomly stopped delivering mail without communication. What if that is someone’s pay check, tax refund, stimulus check, etc. and they just never get it? That in no way cancels out what the neighbor did (which is criminal and should be dealt with accordingly). They are two separate issues though. ETA- I also said during an investigation, which should mean maybe a week or so giving the police time to deal with the asshole. This isn’t taking him off his route completely. I’m not disagreeing with you, I just wanted to clarify that the neighbors do have a free way to get their mail - it is being held at the post office and can be picked up there regularly without a PO Box. It can be a pain, during busy times, because one has to wait in line. People definitely can get their checks, etc., and all other mail. When a neighborhood teen drove over our mail box bank last summer, we all - 12 families - had to drive to the post office to pick up our mail for a month until they replaced it. I don’t think that front door mail service is a guarantee- just that you can have mail sent to you and be able to receive it, even if you have to go to the post office to get it. I could be wrong though.
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Post by cade387 on May 27, 2020 11:06:37 GMT
I disagree. The USPS has two jobs here. To deliver mail to people and to keep their workers safe. They shouldn’t be off the hook for pushing the police to deal with him. They represent the worker and can manage as the victim. The HOA cannot bring the police into it as a third party who didn’t witness it. If the USPS doesn’t have someone willing to deliver the mail to those around this man who are not at fault (like the OP) then the USPS is responsible for communicating with them and giving them a free easy way to get their mail. The OP shouldn’t be punished for her neighbors actions, nor is it the OPs job to fight this on behalf of the postal worker. Why would she be asked to do that? It bothers me that the USPS just randomly stopped delivering mail without communication. What if that is someone’s pay check, tax refund, stimulus check, etc. and they just never get it? That in no way cancels out what the neighbor did (which is criminal and should be dealt with accordingly). They are two separate issues though. ETA- I also said during an investigation, which should mean maybe a week or so giving the police time to deal with the asshole. This isn’t taking him off his route completely. I’m not disagreeing with you, I just wanted to clarify that the neighbors do have a free way to get their mail - it is being held at the post office and can be picked up there regularly without a PO Box. It can be a pain, during busy times, because one has to wait in line. People definitely can get their checks, etc., and all other mail. When a neighborhood teen drove over our mail box bank last summer, we all - 12 families - had to drive to the post office to pick up our mail for a month until they replaced it. I don’t think that front door mail service is a guarantee- just that you can have mail sent to you and be able to receive it, even if you have to go to the post office to get it. I could be wrong though. And I think the USPS is responsible to tell the homeowners that. If the OP and another neighbor hadn’t witnessed the event and then tracked down the postal worker somewhere else they wouldn’t know why their mail isn’t being delivered. In our sub our carrier isn’t making it through his route most days. We get our mail every third day or so. The front half of our neighborhood gets their mail everyday. There is no communication, just a random crapshoot. I’m working from home and have things that need to be notarized on a certain day and there is no explanation. They just offer a refund on the postage. That does me no good and has wasted a ton of my time. If the post office would communicate that we are only going to get our mail every X days then at least I would have known and could have planned accordingly. Our mail isn’t being held. A neighbor went in to pick it up and they don’t have it. We just have to wait for when it arrives. The guy works very hard so I’m trying to have some grace but now I’m in trouble for wasting a couple thousand dollars at work.
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Post by hop2 on May 27, 2020 12:23:14 GMT
If the mail carrier is fearful if your neighbor, why is law enforcement not involved?
I was under the impression that messing with a mail carrier was a federal crime
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Post by mom on May 27, 2020 12:32:23 GMT
If the mail carrier is fearful if your neighbor, why is law enforcement not involved? I was under the impression that messing with a mail carrier was a federal crime Threatening & harassing a mail carrier are both federal crimes.
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Post by elaine on May 27, 2020 13:15:51 GMT
I’m not disagreeing with you, I just wanted to clarify that the neighbors do have a free way to get their mail - it is being held at the post office and can be picked up there regularly without a PO Box. It can be a pain, during busy times, because one has to wait in line. People definitely can get their checks, etc., and all other mail. When a neighborhood teen drove over our mail box bank last summer, we all - 12 families - had to drive to the post office to pick up our mail for a month until they replaced it. I don’t think that front door mail service is a guarantee- just that you can have mail sent to you and be able to receive it, even if you have to go to the post office to get it. I could be wrong though. And I think the USPS is responsible to tell the homeowners that. If the OP and another neighbor hadn’t witnessed the event and then tracked down the postal worker somewhere else they wouldn’t know why their mail isn’t being delivered. In our sub our carrier isn’t making it through his route most days. We get our mail every third day or so. The front half of our neighborhood gets their mail everyday. There is no communication, just a random crapshoot. I’m working from home and have things that need to be notarized on a certain day and there is no explanation. They just offer a refund on the postage. That does me no good and has wasted a ton of my time. If the post office would communicate that we are only going to get our mail every X days then at least I would have known and could have planned accordingly. Our mail isn’t being held. A neighbor went in to pick it up and they don’t have it. We just have to wait for when it arrives. The guy works very hard so I’m trying to have some grace but now I’m in trouble for wasting a couple thousand dollars at work. That is an awful situation and plain wrong. If they aren’t going to deliver it, they need to let you know AND hold it for you to pick up. I too would be furious at all the wasted time - and that it is impacting your job.
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Post by mom on May 27, 2020 13:40:27 GMT
I’m not disagreeing with you, I just wanted to clarify that the neighbors do have a free way to get their mail - it is being held at the post office and can be picked up there regularly without a PO Box. It can be a pain, during busy times, because one has to wait in line. People definitely can get their checks, etc., and all other mail. When a neighborhood teen drove over our mail box bank last summer, we all - 12 families - had to drive to the post office to pick up our mail for a month until they replaced it. I don’t think that front door mail service is a guarantee- just that you can have mail sent to you and be able to receive it, even if you have to go to the post office to get it. I could be wrong though. And I think the USPS is responsible to tell the homeowners that. If the OP and another neighbor hadn’t witnessed the event and then tracked down the postal worker somewhere else they wouldn’t know why their mail isn’t being delivered. In our sub our carrier isn’t making it through his route most days. We get our mail every third day or so. The front half of our neighborhood gets their mail everyday. There is no communication, just a random crapshoot. I’m working from home and have things that need to be notarized on a certain day and there is no explanation. They just offer a refund on the postage. That does me no good and has wasted a ton of my time. If the post office would communicate that we are only going to get our mail every X days then at least I would have known and could have planned accordingly. Our mail isn’t being held. A neighbor went in to pick it up and they don’t have it. We just have to wait for when it arrives. The guy works very hard so I’m trying to have some grace but now I’m in trouble for wasting a couple thousand dollars at work. Hold up. So your carrier is taking it home with him? Or what? If the USPS doesn't have it, who does? I would not be ok with my carrier taking my mail home then maybe getting it to me every third day.
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smartypants71
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Post by smartypants71 on May 27, 2020 13:46:23 GMT
You say these are townhouses. Are these rental, or do each of you own your place? If rental, the landlord needs to become involved. Otherwise I would be calling the non-emergency police number and have a conversation about what can be done to help you feel safe in your own home and on your own property. Menacing is a Class A misdemeanor and it sounds like he makes a habit of it. Aggravated menacing is even more serious and it sounds like that is what he has done. If you EVER see a weapon, do not hesitate to call 911. He is wacko and has no boundaries. You hear stories of how after a shooting people say they knew something was going to happen and yet they did not call authorities or anything. Don't be one of those people, don't wait for escalation, call now1 He is not going to change and will only get worse and you don't want to be feeling guilty if someone gets seriously hurt. Not that it would be your fault, but we are human that way. No, we all own our homes. And yes, he's a wacko.
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Post by luckyjune on May 27, 2020 13:58:28 GMT
Sounds like Phil needs a reminder to find another way to express his frustration.
Until then, the HOA should tell him that since he made it impossible for his five neighbors to get their mail, he's going to need to pay for post office boxes for them.
The way to avoid paying PO box fees is to apologize to the mail carrier and stop being an asshole.
Pay or be civil. It's all up to you, Phil.
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Post by mom on May 27, 2020 14:13:19 GMT
You say these are townhouses. Are these rental, or do each of you own your place? If rental, the landlord needs to become involved. Otherwise I would be calling the non-emergency police number and have a conversation about what can be done to help you feel safe in your own home and on your own property. Menacing is a Class A misdemeanor and it sounds like he makes a habit of it. Aggravated menacing is even more serious and it sounds like that is what he has done. If you EVER see a weapon, do not hesitate to call 911. He is wacko and has no boundaries. You hear stories of how after a shooting people say they knew something was going to happen and yet they did not call authorities or anything. Don't be one of those people, don't wait for escalation, call now1 He is not going to change and will only get worse and you don't want to be feeling guilty if someone gets seriously hurt. Not that it would be your fault, but we are human that way. No, we all own our homes. And yes, he's a wacko. Am I remembering right? Is this the same guy who stole your glasses that were being delivered last Fall?
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smartypants71
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Post by smartypants71 on May 27, 2020 14:24:59 GMT
No, we all own our homes. And yes, he's a wacko. Am I remembering right? Is this the same guy who stole your glasses that were being delivered last Fall? OMG yes! I had forgotten about that!
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Post by mom on May 27, 2020 14:32:29 GMT
Am I remembering right? Is this the same guy who stole your glasses that were being delivered last Fall? OMG yes! I had forgotten about that! Ugh. He is horrible and dangerous. I hope he chokes on a chicken bone.
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Post by PLurker on May 27, 2020 16:19:41 GMT
but then the (probable) racist wins and mailman is punished, even if temporary. Especially if it is their regular route, the carrier is being inconvenienced and punished by the asshat. While I feel for the others involved by not getting their mail, the problem should be fix at the broken end. And it isn't at USPS' end. Phil needs to be "fixed" via HOA, neighbors, or nay appropriate authorities. If the inconvenience to others goes away by changing routes and Phil then feels better, it's a lot more probable that people will not confront Phil any longer because "all good in their world." Phil's the problem and the community needs to keep feeling that. I disagree. The USPS has two jobs here. To deliver mail to people and to keep their workers safe. They shouldn’t be off the hook for pushing the police to deal with him. They represent the worker and can manage as the victim. The HOA cannot bring the police into it as a third party who didn’t witness it. If the USPS doesn’t have someone willing to deliver the mail to those around this man who are not at fault (like the OP) then the USPS is responsible for communicating with them and giving them a free easy way to get their mail. The OP shouldn’t be punished for her neighbors actions, nor is it the OPs job to fight this on behalf of the postal worker. Why would she be asked to do that? It bothers me that the USPS just randomly stopped delivering mail without communication. What if that is someone’s pay check, tax refund, stimulus check, etc. and they just never get it? That in no way cancels out what the neighbor did (which is criminal and should be dealt with accordingly). They are two separate issues though. ETA- I also said during an investigation, which should mean maybe a week or so giving the police time to deal with the asshole. This isn’t taking him off his route completely. I get where you coming from. and I feel for those not getting their mail. On the other hand, in the past we've had loose aggressive dogs on routes, too. (former USPS worker) Until it was taken care of no one in the area got their mail until it was taken care of, regardless of the owner. Same kind of thing, really. Unsafe area is unsafe area regardless of the reason. The "asshole" could not like and abuse the next carrier for another reason. As far as communication, they can't leave them notices because of the unsafe conditions. Phone calls would be next to impossible these days, no land lines. But the info would be easily available if anyone called with inquiry. "I was expecting my check and have rec'd no mail in 3 days" call would be promptly told why and that their mail is available for pick up. I know in the past if there was a office of a association or such, calls were made but not to every individual. Sometimes other carriers are not available (only so many unassigned carriers) and shuffling them for every problem would be not easily done, especially in more populated areas. Not to mention service would decline with people put on routes they've never done before.
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Post by roberta on May 27, 2020 18:01:12 GMT
Yikes! Horrible situation. At least there is a record of his craziness now. I agree that as much info as possible should be given to the police and they should keep an eye on this potentially deadly explosion ready to happen.
Stay safe.
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Post by Really Red on May 27, 2020 19:07:55 GMT
I hope they arrest Phil.
I am really sorry about what you're going through. I am on my HOA board and I can tell you we are pretty helpless about that stuff. I hope there is a solution for you.
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Post by Lexica on May 27, 2020 20:08:34 GMT
It sounds like Phil needs a muzzle. I would get the other affected neighbors together and talk to your HOA board about this. The rest of you shouldn’t be penalized because of one irate asshat. Perhaps the board can draft a rule regarding obnoxious behavior and start issuing Phil a fine every time he causes a problem. Maybe that would stop him. Or perhaps see if you can peer pressure him into staying inside during the time span when the mail usually arrives. He wouldn’t be allowed to negatively affect so many other people. Has he always had anger issues or has something changed in his life to trigger him. Beyond the pandemic that is.
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smartypants71
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Post by smartypants71 on Jun 3, 2020 18:53:08 GMT
Update in OP
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Post by peabay on Jun 3, 2020 18:55:17 GMT
What an absolutely horrible person. I feel so badly for your mail carrier.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2020 19:05:00 GMT
The postman said the Phil starting yelling and cursing at him about misdelivered mail (which we don't have an issue with), and CALLED HIM THE N WORD!!!! Then lunged at him a couple of times and chased him off the property. You'd think I'd stop being surprised by people, but nope. Still surprised. So glad y'all figured out what was going on and (fingers crossed) that things will work out (for you).
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2020 19:11:07 GMT
In our sub our carrier isn’t making it through his route most days. We get our mail every third day or so. The front half of our neighborhood gets their mail everyday. There is no communication, just a random crapshoot. I’m working from home and have things that need to be notarized on a certain day and there is no explanation. They just offer a refund on the postage. That does me no good and has wasted a ton of my time. If the post office would communicate that we are only going to get our mail every X days then at least I would have known and could have planned accordingly. Our mail isn’t being held. A neighbor went in to pick it up and they don’t have it. We just have to wait for when it arrives. The guy works very hard so I’m trying to have some grace but now I’m in trouble for wasting a couple thousand dollars at work. I had a mail carrier once where we'd go a week at a time without getting any mail and then get a whole stack at once. He was finally busted with sacks of mail at his home.
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Post by zella on Jun 3, 2020 19:21:12 GMT
Please don't put this on your USPS or mailman; he is the victim here too, and I'm sure the USPS has regulations that prevent carriers from entering known dangerous situations, which this is.
I know it sucks for you. I get it. But think how much it sucks for the carrier. Honestly, unless the homeowners are willing to put up a safety barrier of bodies every time he delivers, I don't think you have much sway there.
The HOA absolutely should address and fix this. And next step perhaps is the police (Phil assaulted the mail carrier and threatened him, and those are illegal offenses). In the meantime you're going to have to keep getting your mail at the post office. It's inconvenient, sure, but think of the millions of Americans who have NO home delivery. Ever. Like everyone on a reservation for instance. So I hope you can take it as a nuisance, and feel fortunate that this is almost certainly temporary.
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