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Post by fiddlesticks on May 30, 2020 15:33:37 GMT
I am hoping the peas can help me figure something out. I have a friend starting chemo on Monday and she has been reading that she should have bone broth on hand. I love making chicken soup from scratch so I offered to make some for her. I figured she would say no because she is a Type 1 diabetic so she has to keep track of food pretty closely but she said yes!
I asked if she wanted just the broth or all the other stuff too and she said she wants the full soup and if she only wants to drink the broth she will do that but she would like the option of the protein and veggies. I let her pick whether she wanted rice vs noodles and what kind. She said I can put whatever veggies in but she doesn't like celery.
I usually only put carrot and celery for veggies so I am wondering if there is something else I could add that would add flavor and good stuff and freeze well. My husband says I am overthinking it and just omit the celery but I just want to put something else healthy in if I can.
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Post by nlwilkins on May 30, 2020 15:40:47 GMT
You could add the celery for the flavor but remove it after the soup is cocked. I don't really taste the celery in my soup, but don't like eating the actually celery itself.
I would not add rice, potatoes or pasta to the soup as it tends to turn to mush. If wanted, I add it to the portion of soup I take out of the freezer and prepare for immediate consumption. Though barely might work.
You might keep it simple though as one thing about bone soup that might be appealing to someone who is nauseous is the simple flavor of it, and the richer it is the more apt it is to cause nausea.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 15:42:07 GMT
Leeks maybe? I make a lot of soups and fry leek with the onion before I add anything else. I hate celery so it wouldn't be something I ever use.
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Post by caangel on May 30, 2020 15:42:22 GMT
I hate celery but I add it to soup for the flavor and just avoid it when eating.
You are a good friend!
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Post by fiddlesticks on May 30, 2020 15:49:38 GMT
I’m think I’ll use the reams frozen noodles right at the end and just cook them a bit and then package it to freeze. I warned her about the noodles being mushy but she still wanted them.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 16:02:07 GMT
Just boil the chicken, she may not be able to tolerate the garlic,onions or carrot flavors.
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Post by Jockscrap on May 30, 2020 16:35:49 GMT
In the Uk, I think bone broth is what we call stock, and broth is a particular type of thick soup made with the stock. It’s usually full of pearl barley, split peas etc, and some pieces of the meat used to make the stock. It’s very nutritious. Carrots, onions and celery can be added if desired. It’s a meal in a soup bowl and would be a good source of calories and nutrition for someone struggling to eat,
Word of warning about celery - some folk who hate have a sixth sense in detecting it. I have a couple of friends who would know something was cooked with it even if it is removed, so I would play safe and leave out altogether.
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Post by elaine on May 30, 2020 17:18:02 GMT
Many people receiving chemo completely lose their sense of taste. As in completely gone. Many here, myself included, suffered that common, but not often talked about side effect.
I lived on soup and smoothies, not because I liked the taste or could tolerate certain things, but because I couldn’t force myself to chew a mouthful of bread or meat or poultry that tasted like cardboard. Solid food instead was gag-worthy - even if it were lobster or prime rib.
So, I would focus less on the flavors and more on making it as nutritious as possible. For me, some of my favorite soups had barley or rice as the starch because I didn’t have to chew it and it helped me feel fuller. If you include chicken or beef to your soups, make sure that the pieces of meat are small enough to not require much chewing.
When you are a foodie, losing your sense of taste for 4.5 months was awful. And there is nothing doctors can do about it - no med to combat that loss of taste. And, of course, since it isn’t life threatening, oncologists and nurses are understandably not as worried about it as the person suffering it.
You are a wonderful friend to take the time to make your friend soup. 🥰 Some people going through chemo find that they love tomato soup, so that is something else to consider. There are threads about it out on the internet.
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Post by fiddlesticks on May 30, 2020 19:03:58 GMT
Many people receiving chemo completely lose their sense of taste. As in completely gone. Many here, myself included, suffered that common, but not often talked about side effect. I lived on soup and smoothies, not because I liked the taste or could tolerate certain things, but because I couldn’t force myself to chew a mouthful of bread or meat or poultry that tasted like cardboard. Solid food in instead was gag-worthy - even if it were lobster or prime rib. So, I would focus less on the flavors and more on making it as nutritious as possible. For me, some of my favorite soups had barley or rice as the starch because I didn’t have to chew it and it helped me feel fuller. If you include chicken or beef to your soups, make sure that the pieces of meat are small enough to not require much chewing. When you are a foodie, losing your sense of taste for 4.5 months was awful. And there is nothing doctors can do about it - no med to combat that lose of taste. And, of course, since it isn’t life threatening, oncologists and nurses are understandably not as worried about it as the person suffering it. You are a wonderful friend to take the time to make your friend soup. 🥰 Some people going through chemo find that they love tomato soup, so that is something else to consider. There are threads about it out on the internet. I will definitely make sure the chicken is cut small enough. I thought about barley but she said barley and rice are harder for her to regulate her sugars. |
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Post by pjaye on May 30, 2020 23:24:46 GMT
It's kind of you to make soup for your friend, but if she is thinking that "bone broth" is somehow going to help with her cancer then unfortunately she is mistaken. It's just the latest fad/quakery. There is no scientific evidence it is any more nutritious than say plain old vegetable soup, also no evidence that the collagen in it affects our collagen in any way. Additionally bone broth can contain high doses of heavy metals (commonly lead) which is bad for people's overall health. Finally where do most of the bones come from? Animals raised in factory farms that have been fed on an unnatural diet (and interestingly one study found "free range' chicken bone broth contained even higher levels of heavy metals) Have a read through this: LINKThere are other ways to get better nutrition - good old veggie soup is just one. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 23:33:04 GMT
I add carrots, onion, celery, leeks, garlic, kosher salt, pepper, parsley, rosemary, and thyme to my stock bases. Strain that and then you can store some of the broth in 1 cup containers and use the rest to make soup.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 23:37:15 GMT
It's kind of you to make soup for your friend, but if she is thinking that "bone broth" is somehow going to help with her cancer then unfortunately she is mistaken. It's just the latest fad/quakery. There is no scientific evidence it is any more nutritious than say plain old vegetable soup, also no evidence that the collagen in it affects our collagen in any way. Additionally bone broth can contain high doses of heavy metals (commonly lead) which is bad for people's overall health. Finally where do most of the bones come from? Animals raised in factory farms that have been fed on an unnatural diet (and interestingly one study found "free range' chicken bone broth contained even higher levels of heavy metals) Have a read through this: LINKThere are other ways to get better nutrition - good old veggie soup is just one. A friend drank bone broth during chemo and radiation because it was easy on her stomach and had a lot of nutrients. She didn't drink it for helping to cure her cancer. She preferred beef and vegetable stock. Chicken, for her, made her stomach upset. |
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Post by tkdmom on May 31, 2020 0:52:59 GMT
If she wants noodles in her soup cook them seperately. Put a serving in a baggie. they can be frozen this way with out getting mushy. When she heats up the soup she can add a baggie of noodles. This will also help her with blood sugar control since she will know how many carbs in each serving.
For vegetables leeks, onions, green beans, peas, garlic, okra, squash.
To make it more gentle on her stomache you may want to boil the bones, veggies and spices together, when done strain the broth then add new vegetabels for 20 minutes.
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Post by pjaye on May 31, 2020 1:16:29 GMT
and had a lot of nutrients guess you did not bother to read the article, it does NOT have more nutrients than other foods, and some of the so called nutrients do zero for us in this form, it may contain harmful ingredients and is touted to do "magic" things like cure a leaky gut - and it doesn't. |
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Post by grammadee on May 31, 2020 1:31:05 GMT
I make beef soup all the time. Boil the bones, meat on, for several hours. Remove the meat and bones. Add thinly sliced raw onions and carrots to the strained broth and continue to boil slowly while I strip the meat from the bones and cut it into small pieces. Add the meat to the soup. At this point I add pepper, onion salt, and a package of packaged soup flavouring. Add frozen vegetables (peas, beans, whatever I have in the freezer). Sometimes I add a container of frozen tomatoes in juice. Add raw noodles. Set into the oven at 350F for about an hour. Serve.
We eat this when it comes out of the oven. But it freezes really well, noodles and all. When using some out of the freezer, I simply loosen the lid of one of the containers and pop it into the microwave and give it about 3 minutes on High.
I am not a celery lover. And I REALLY hated it when going through chemo. Don't put it in the soup you make for her: she will taste it; believe me.
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Post by fiddlesticks on May 31, 2020 2:01:37 GMT
It's kind of you to make soup for your friend, but if she is thinking that "bone broth" is somehow going to help with her cancer then unfortunately she is mistaken. It's just the latest fad/quakery. There is no scientific evidence it is any more nutritious than say plain old vegetable soup, also no evidence that the collagen in it affects our collagen in any way. Additionally bone broth can contain high doses of heavy metals (commonly lead) which is bad for people's overall health. Finally where do most of the bones come from? Animals raised in factory farms that have been fed on an unnatural diet (and interestingly one study found "free range' chicken bone broth contained even higher levels of heavy metals) Have a read through this: LINKThere are other ways to get better nutrition - good old veggie soup is just one. No....I think she’s just trying to think of things she can control. Someone mentioned it and she loves chicken noodle soup. Her favorite is Panera’s but it has a lot of sodium. Neither her husband or her cook from scratch so when she mentioned it I felt like it was something I could actually do to feel helpful. She’s 4 weeks post her mastectomy, is doing chemo so she’s not looking for any magic pill. |
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