lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 4, 2020 19:04:51 GMT
I just spent an hour scouring every reputable source of news and op-eds, and I couldn’t find any that claims conservatives or Republicans are the root of police brutality, or that Republicans are the ones guilty of hiring bad cops. Maybe OP can bolster her post by citing or linking a source.
Or maybe it’s just a case of this…
From the conservative National Review (2015) (bolding mine): Conservatives do not like sweeping denunciations of the entire criminal justice system as racist, and they especially do not like violent protests, looting, and attacks on policemen — all very rightly. But from there, too many conservatives have come to see any criticism of police conduct, or any allegation of racism, as if it were a play by the opposing team.
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MizIndependent
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Quit your bullpoop.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 4, 2020 19:10:47 GMT
Post and run is the OP's M.O. on political posts. I doubt she'll be back to clarify this any further. *shrug*
Heat, kitchen, etc. |
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Post by littlemama on Jun 4, 2020 20:22:50 GMT
Democrat... police chiefs? How on earth would anyone know the political affiliation of a police chief?
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Post by Restless Spirit on Jun 4, 2020 20:33:51 GMT
Democrat... police chiefs? How on earth would anyone know the political affiliation of a police chief? In my city, the mayor appoints the Public Safety Director, the Chief of Police, and all other department heads. The appointments are usually aligned with the political affiliation of the mayor. |
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 4, 2020 20:37:45 GMT
Democrat... police chiefs? How on earth would anyone know the political affiliation of a police chief? In my city, the mayor appoints the Public Safety Director, the Chief of Police, and all other department heads. The appointments are usually aligned with the political affiliation of the mayor. In many places the heads of law enforcement agencies are elected. Sometimes those elections are supposed to be not affiliated with parties and in other jurisdiction they run as a party nominee |
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Post by wezee on Jun 4, 2020 21:41:27 GMT
May I ask you a question? What is wrong with criticism? Is it that someone is disagreeing with your opinion or some fact as you see it? Is it that they perceive fault with your opinion or some fact as you see it? I think we are saying the same thing. Constructive Criticism is the key. I really welcome hearing other opinions. Each of us has taken different paths in life, those paths influence our perception. NO ones opinion is wrong. It's an opinion. Pure and simple. All to often on this board, should some one post their life's perception they are jumped on. The most recent one I can think of is the thread by leowife. She was told to shut up, go away. She was sent vile emails for stating her life's experience. |
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Jun 4, 2020 21:53:47 GMT
May I ask you a question? What is wrong with criticism? Is it that someone is disagreeing with your opinion or some fact as you see it? Is it that they perceive fault with your opinion or some fact as you see it? I think we are saying the same thing. Constructive Criticism is the key. I really welcome hearing other opinions. Each of us has taken different paths in life, those paths influence our perception. NO ones opinion is wrong. It's an opinion. Pure and simple. All to often on this board, should some one post their life's perception they are jumped on. The most recent one I can think of is the thread by leowife. She was told to shut up, go away. She was sent vile emails for stating her life's experience. I assume that part of the issue is this particular OP. This is her MO--drop a little political bomb and then never come back to actually have a discussion. She just likes to shit and run. It's not the first time. |
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Post by wezee on Jun 4, 2020 21:56:53 GMT
I think we are saying the same thing. Constructive Criticism is the key. I really welcome hearing other opinions. Each of us has taken different paths in life, those paths influence our perception. NO ones opinion is wrong. It's an opinion. Pure and simple. All to often on this board, should some one post their life's perception they are jumped on. The most recent one I can think of is the thread by leowife. She was told to shut up, go away. She was sent vile emails for stating her life's experience. I assume that part of the issue is this particular OP. This is her MO--drop a little political bomb and then never come back to actually have a discussion. She just likes to shit and run. It's not the first time. Gotcha |
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MizIndependent
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Quit your bullpoop.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 4, 2020 22:06:28 GMT
May I ask you a question? What is wrong with criticism? Is it that someone is disagreeing with your opinion or some fact as you see it? Is it that they perceive fault with your opinion or some fact as you see it? I think we are saying the same thing. Constructive Criticism is the key. I really welcome hearing other opinions. Each of us has taken different paths in life, those paths influence our perception. NO ones opinion is wrong. It's an opinion. Pure and simple. All to often on this board, should some one post their life's perception they are jumped on. The most recent one I can think of is the thread by leowife. She was told to shut up, go away. She was sent vile emails for stating her life's experience. I agree with you. Personally, I try to live by the rule: the first one to name call loses. And shutting someone down by telling them to "shut up" is proof that that person can't even form a proper argument so they lose by default.
Most everyone here, I think (didn't read the entire thread) was disgusted by what leowife had to put up with. That is wrong, plain and simple.
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Post by Restless Spirit on Jun 4, 2020 22:33:39 GMT
In my city, the mayor appoints the Public Safety Director, the Chief of Police, and all other department heads. The appointments are usually aligned with the political affiliation of the mayor. In many places the heads of law enforcement agencies are elected. Sometimes those elections are supposed to be not affiliated with parties and in other jurisdiction they run as a party nominee That’s interesting. Thank you. We do have other elected positions besides the mayor. Our county has elected offices that including the sheriff, coroner, auditor, treasurer, recorder, surveyor, and circuit court clerk. Each of these elected officers serves a term of four years. I’m fascinated how our government at the state, county and city levels can all be so different depending on where you live. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 22:46:52 GMT
May I ask you a question? What is wrong with criticism? Is it that someone is disagreeing with your opinion or some fact as you see it? Is it that they perceive fault with your opinion or some fact as you see it? I think we are saying the same thing. Constructive Criticism is the key. I really welcome hearing other opinions. Each of us has taken different paths in life, those paths influence our perception. NO ones opinion is wrong. It's an opinion. Pure and simple. All to often on this board, should some one post their life's perception they are jumped on. The most recent one I can think of is the thread by leowife. She was told to shut up, go away. She was sent vile emails for stating her life's experience. Some people's opinions are informed by facts or evidence or studies or shared reality. Other people's opinions are informed by other opinion, or beliefs, or uninformed. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 4, 2020 23:27:34 GMT
This forum is for posting our opinions and facts as we see them. I have a problem with someone being criticized for posting something that may not be favorable to you. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! Really? So then, why did you handslap? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 4, 2020 23:29:56 GMT
I just spent an hour scouring every reputable source of news and op-eds, and I couldn’t find any that claims conservatives or Republicans are the root of police brutality, or that Republicans are the ones guilty of hiring bad cops. Maybe OP can bolster her post by citing or linking a source. Or maybe it’s just a case of this… From the conservative National Review (2015) (bolding mine): Conservatives do not like sweeping denunciations of the entire criminal justice system as racist, and they especially do not like violent protests, looting, and attacks on policemen — all very rightly. But from there, too many conservatives have come to see any criticism of police conduct, or any allegation of racism, as if it were a play by the opposing team. You know she’s not going to do that...she never does. She just drops the crap and runs. |
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 4, 2020 23:32:04 GMT
This forum is for posting our opinions and facts as we see them. I have a problem with someone being criticized for posting something that may not be favorable to you. It is, it doesn’t mean those opinions will go unchallenged. If you have an opinion and you post it for public forum discussion, you should be prepared to have it challenged, and to back it up. This isn’t a blog. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 4, 2020 23:44:19 GMT
Democrat... police chiefs? How on earth would anyone know the political affiliation of a police chief? I don't know about police chiefs, but our sheriffs are elected |
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 4, 2020 23:46:45 GMT
NO ones opinion is wrong. It's an opinion. Pure and simple. Some opinions are gross and deserve to be called out. |
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Post by teach4u on Jun 5, 2020 0:49:21 GMT
Love the opinion policing.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 5, 2020 0:59:01 GMT
Love the opinion policing. Why don't you defend your statements? WHERE did you your claims? Where is it being blamed on the GOP in general? You come and throw out some bullshit that nobody can find a source for and then leave a passive aggressive comment. Your original statement wasn't really an opinion, but rather a command to tell you again about conservatives and republicans being the root (which by the way you didn't show us where it was said the first time) and then another command to stop what you call a false narrative THAT NOBODY HERE IS SAYING! |
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Post by h2ohdog on Jun 5, 2020 1:09:32 GMT
let's at least stop with the false narrative Ugh |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2020 1:32:07 GMT
Love the opinion policing. You didn’t post it as your “opinion” however as a statement of “fact” , but you knew that. So, if only now you are claiming it as your “opinion” then we’re free to tell you that your opinion is horse shit, and nothing more than to attack what you don’t like and that you must feel a need to make up crap. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2020 1:32:51 GMT
All the large cities ie: Minneapolis, Chicago, NYC, Detroit, San Francisco, and Atlanta have had Democrat mayors and Democrat police chiefs for the past 50 years or longer. So tell me again how the conservatives and Republicans are the root of police brutality, etc. Amy Klobuchar herself refused to prosecute Chauvin.
So let's at least stop with the false narrative that the republican leaders are the ones guilty of hiring bad cops.
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Post by busy on Jun 5, 2020 1:54:36 GMT
Love the opinion policing. Calling something an "opinion" doesn't mean it's magically true. You're making shit up with no basis in fact and think that if you call it an opinion, no one can challenge you. WRONG. |
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samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Jun 5, 2020 1:54:38 GMT
OP is a weird duck, penguin, polar bear, seal...
I like cupcakes...
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Post by LiLi on Jun 5, 2020 2:03:10 GMT
You are caught in a thought process that is causing the divide in our country. Even where no political divide exists, you are creating one, because you see others as "the bad guys."
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Post by elaine on Jun 5, 2020 2:11:57 GMT
Love the opinion policing. Did you want to have an actual discussion? Or are you just wanting to keep dropping one-sided stuff and running? I’d love to discuss systemic racism in our country, of which police brutality is one manifestation, and why you think systemic racism continues to permeate our society. Why do you think some politicians are hell-bent on defunding social safety nets and programs for the poor - of which persons of color are over-represented - and fight to eliminate legislation and policies meant to help balance historic injustices and eliminate oppression of persons of color? Which politicians/political party tends to be the party that does those things mentioned above? Do you think that if we combat racism throughout society, that there may be fewer racist police officers to worry about? I am looking forward to some thoughtful responses from you so that you can participate in the discussion you claim to want - no opinion policing. |
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samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Jun 5, 2020 2:14:19 GMT
Why engage? Come on.....
I like popsicles, especially strawberry or bomb pops...
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Jun 5, 2020 2:43:40 GMT
An opinion post usually starts with in my opinion, or in my experience; in a recent reply to a post I said "What I've learned parenting", because I was expressing my opinion on parenting. Hurling random non factual bull shit, disguised to be truth, is not an opinion. Why would you pour gasoline on burning fires of lies?
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Post by hop2 on Jun 5, 2020 2:44:17 GMT
The only American mayor that comes to mind is Rudy Giuliani of New York because his policing policy made the news over here. He's Republican isn't he? Yes, he is and was a Republican and responsible for the Racist stop & frisk policies in NYC ( and hardly 50 years ago ) He left office in 2001, to a newly elected Republican Mayor. Who continued the policy . Granted the new mayor did eventually become a democrat, at least in name, by then he also began to veer away from the support of the policy but only publicly and too little too late. Which is why he failed miserably in his bid for the presidential nomination. |
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Post by hop2 on Jun 5, 2020 2:56:59 GMT
Y’all have much better memories than I to remember who is & who isn’t a post & run. There’s only one Person who’s constantly posting & running that I ever remember. And only because she will drift into another thread all wide eyed and trying to play innocent. But now that you mention it, the posting style is similar. Hmmm makes me wonder
Oh well doesn’t matter. Thanks for the heads up I can turn this one off too.
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Post by gar on Jun 5, 2020 8:06:33 GMT
This forum is for posting our opinions and facts as we see them. Opinions - we're all entitled to one but if someone said "You know...grass is definitely pink and I don't know why you can't all see that" wouldn't you question their opinion? Facts - can't be 'as you see them' - they're either facts or they're not. Facts can be substantiated. If you go to the trouble of stating something you call a fact then why not provide evidence of it? |
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