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Post by teach4u on Jun 4, 2020 15:47:50 GMT
All the large cities ie: Minneapolis, Chicago, NYC, Detroit, San Francisco, and Atlanta have had Democrat mayors and Democrat police chiefs for the past 50 years or longer. So tell me again how the conservatives and Republicans are the root of police brutality, etc. Amy Klobuchar herself refused to prosecute Chauvin.
So let's at least stop with the false narrative that the republican leaders are the ones guilty of hiring bad cops.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 4, 2020 15:49:29 GMT
smdh
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tracylynn
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 4, 2020 15:53:03 GMT
This is seriously the conversation you want to start? Wow.
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smginaz Suzy
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jun 4, 2020 15:53:10 GMT
Would you like me to just hand you a straw?
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 4, 2020 15:55:11 GMT
Amy Klobuchar herself refused to prosecute Chauvin. For being one of six officers who shot at a man who was pointing a shotgun at them. So let's at least stop with the false narrative that the republican leaders are the ones guilty of hiring bad cops. Where are you seeing this narrative spelled out? This Republican administration is guilty of being a racist asshole who likes to incite people.
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Post by busy on Jun 4, 2020 16:06:57 GMT
You understand, of course, that systemic racism and white privilege and unconscious bias know no party lines.
And I don’t know where you are getting this supposed narrative that Republicans are responsible for hiring bad cops.
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Post by peabay on Jun 4, 2020 16:08:40 GMT
Who ever said conservatives and Republicans are at the root of police brutality?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 4, 2020 16:14:26 GMT
This forum is for posting our opinions and facts as we see them. I have a problem with someone being criticized for posting something that may not be favorable to you. They're not being criticized for posting something that may not be favorable, they're being criticized for posting a complete red herring - I've seen absolutely no one suggest "So let's at least stop with the false narrative that the republican leaders are the ones guilty of hiring bad cops." or even that Republicans are at the root of police brutality. I actually think we could have had a very interesting discussion on how the Democratic party has done pretty much nothing to address institutional racism and taken black voters for granted for 50+ years. But that's not what the OP post stated.
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smginaz Suzy
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jun 4, 2020 16:15:42 GMT
This forum is for posting our opinions and facts as we see them. I have a problem with someone being criticized for posting something that may not be favorable to you. Yeah, posting something means nobody gets to respond to the post. Of course.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 4, 2020 16:15:53 GMT
This forum is for posting our opinions and facts as we see them. I have a problem with someone being criticized for posting something that may not be favorable to you. Good for you?
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Post by busy on Jun 4, 2020 16:24:26 GMT
I actually think we could have had a very interesting discussion on how the Democratic party has done pretty much nothing to address institutional racism and taken black voters for granted for 50+ years. This is very true. The party has given a lot of lip service to racial issues in recent decades but as far as meaningful action and legislation... not so much. Like most of America, they've been slow to embrace diversity as meaningful good in its own right, not something done for optics. I think there has been genuine momentum in that direction in the past ten or so years, but there is still a long way to go.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 4, 2020 16:24:35 GMT
You understand, of course, that systemic racism and white privilege and unconscious bias know no party lines. And I don’t know where you are getting this supposed narrative that Republicans are responsible for hiring bad cops. This.
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Post by peano on Jun 4, 2020 16:27:02 GMT
The point that has gone flying over your head, based upon current events, is that the United States, as a whole country—meaning me, you, your grandma, your town council person, your police chief, your mayor and governor—to mention just a few, is/are part of a deeply entrenched systemic racism. We’re all implicated. Finger pointing is a red herring.
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Post by wellway on Jun 4, 2020 16:31:54 GMT
The only American mayor that comes to mind is Rudy Giuliani of New York because his policing policy made the news over here. He's Republican isn't he?
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 4, 2020 16:34:41 GMT
The only American mayor that comes to mind is Rudy Giuliani of New York because his policing policy made the news over here. He's Republican isn't he? Bloomberg was a democrat and he was part of stop and frisk (not that the op should be dignified with that, but you aren't looking to justify, but rather information)
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 4, 2020 16:36:31 GMT
All the large cities ie: Minneapolis, Chicago, NYC, Detroit, San Francisco, and Atlanta have had Democrat mayors and Democrat police chiefs for the past 50 years or longer. So tell me again how the conservatives and Republicans are the root of police brutality, etc. Amy Klobuchar herself refused to prosecute Chauvin.
So let's at least stop with the false narrative that the republican leaders are the ones guilty of hiring bad cops.
Can you site any source (or a quote from a Pea) that said Republican leaders are responsible for hiring bad cops? Just trying to figure out what the hell you are talking about and where this came from.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 4, 2020 16:39:14 GMT
Nothing says "good faith discussion" like "Democrat mayors."
If you'd like to find me the thread in which someone blames Republicans for police brutality, or says that having mayors who are Democrats will fix the problem, feel free to link it. I think those of us who are concerned about police brutality and policing in general aren't going to spend any time arguing that it's a partisan issue (and my kid literally was protesting against our own mayor, who is indeed a Democrat, yesterday, so).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 16:42:04 GMT
Yet another shit stirring troll post from teach4u
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Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Jun 4, 2020 16:42:31 GMT
At least your political posts are always consistently tone deaf.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 4, 2020 16:43:16 GMT
I am, by the screen name, assuming the OP is a teacher. That breaks my heart.
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Post by librarylady on Jun 4, 2020 16:46:25 GMT
So, who said that?
I read 3 newspapers almost every day, and 2 news website (that are liberal sites)...and I have never seen that claim anywhere.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 4, 2020 16:54:53 GMT
This forum is for posting our opinions and facts as we see them. I have a problem with someone being criticized for posting something that may not be favorable to you. It absolutely is. However, the opinions posted here don't exist in a vacuum.
If one posts their opinion they better be ready to hear both agreeing and opposing opinions in response.
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Post by wezee on Jun 4, 2020 17:15:15 GMT
This forum is for posting our opinions and facts as we see them. I have a problem with someone being criticized for posting something that may not be favorable to you. THAT
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Post by busy on Jun 4, 2020 17:17:51 GMT
This forum is for posting our opinions and facts as we see them. I have a problem with someone being criticized for posting something that may not be favorable to you. THAT Seriously, what is your point? The OP didn't provide any sources for the claim and everyone is saying, YUP Democrats are racists too.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 4, 2020 17:20:29 GMT
This forum is for posting our opinions and facts as we see them. I have a problem with someone being criticized for posting something that may not be favorable to you. THAT May I ask you a question? What is wrong with criticism? Is it that someone is disagreeing with your opinion or some fact as you see it? Is it that they perceive fault with your opinion or some fact as you see it?
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Post by peatlejuice on Jun 4, 2020 18:29:01 GMT
First, to correct misinformation; according to Wikipedia (admittedly not an academic level source), Minneapolis had an Independent mayor in 1977. Detroit's mayors, while Democratic in personal registration, have run on a non-partisan (ballots do not contain affiliation) basis since 1918. NYC was under 20 years of Republican/Independent leadership (1994-2014: Giuliani/Bloomberg). Second, I've not seen this narrative you've claimed of Republicans being the root of police brutality, so if you have sources, please provide. Third, to demonstrate that police brutality is an issue in all states, regardless of affiliation (with taking the liberty of assuming your post is attempting to show that brutality exists in Democratic cities/states), here are two reports, done in 2014 by two Oklahoma newspapers, investigating police shootings across our state (Tulsa World article, reference years of 2007-2014) and Oklahoma City, specifically (Oklahoman article, reference years of 2003-2014). Both show that police shootings in their respective areas of focus tended to disproportionately be against Blacks, when looking at percentage of population (the Tulsa World article lays out the details in a particularly clear manner; the ethnicity makeup of the state and OKC run similar). During the reference years of the article, Oklahoma had both Democrat and Republican governors; the mayor of OKC has been a Republican since 1987. In summary (in my opinion): Police brutality in America is due to systemic racism and a culture that allows police to act with relatively few checks/balances and great protections. There's an argument to be made that one party is more open to addressing brutality and criminal justice reform, but that's tangential to the root cause. Source articles: www.tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/109-fatal-police-shootings-in-oklahoma-since-2007-108-ruled-justified/article_53d7764e-8a4b-5b7f-9561-572bb728f081.htmloklahoman.com/special/article/4747453/deadly-force-a-decade-of-oklahoma-city-police-department-shootings
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 4, 2020 18:29:34 GMT
May I ask you a question? What is wrong with criticism? Is it that someone is disagreeing with your opinion or some fact as you see it? Is it that they perceive fault with your opinion or some fact as you see it?
There is this woman that posts on facebook that when she is correctly/gets called out she often states that that is her opinion and she doesn't attack people for theirs (although let's be real, she does). She never acknowledges that her facts were wrong or that she might be a racist.
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Post by chlerbie on Jun 4, 2020 18:50:04 GMT
Post and run is the OP's M.O. on political posts. I doubt she'll be back to clarify this any further.
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Post by Just T on Jun 4, 2020 18:51:44 GMT
So let's at least stop with the false narrative that the republican leaders are the ones guilty of hiring bad cops. Well, we DO have a Republican president who once said, on camera, that policemen shouldn't be tooo nice when arresting people, maybe hit their head on the car when putting them in. Those aren't the exact words, but very close.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 4, 2020 19:00:03 GMT
First, to correct misinformation; according to Wikipedia (admittedly not an academic level source), Minneapolis had an Independent mayor in 1977. Detroit's mayors, while Democratic in personal registration, have run on a non-partisan (ballots do not contain affiliation) basis since 1918. NYC was under 20 years of Republican/Independent leadership (1994-2014: Giuliani/Bloomberg). Second, I've not seen this narrative you've claimed of Republicans being the root of police brutality, so if you have sources, please provide. Third, to demonstrate that police brutality is an issue in all states, regardless of affiliation (with taking the liberty of assuming your post is attempting to show that brutality exists in Democratic cities/states), here are two reports, done in 2014 by two Oklahoma newspapers, investigating police shootings across our state (Tulsa World article, reference years of 2007-2014) and Oklahoma City, specifically (Oklahoman article, reference years of 2003-2014). Both show that police shootings in their respective areas of focus tended to disproportionately be against Blacks, when looking at percentage of population (the Tulsa World article lays out the details in a particularly clear manner; the ethnicity makeup of the state and OKC run similar). During the reference years of the article, Oklahoma had both Democrat and Republican governors; the mayor of OKC has been a Republican since 1987. In summary (in my opinion): Police brutality in America is due to systemic racism and a culture that allows police to act with relatively few checks/balances and great protections. There's an argument to be made that one party is more open to addressing brutality and criminal justice reform, but that's tangential to the root cause. Source articles: www.tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/109-fatal-police-shootings-in-oklahoma-since-2007-108-ruled-justified/article_53d7764e-8a4b-5b7f-9561-572bb728f081.htmloklahoman.com/special/article/4747453/deadly-force-a-decade-of-oklahoma-city-police-department-shootingsI'd just add/clarify that Bloomberg wasn't exactly a Republican. He was a registered Democrat who decided he couldn't win the Democratic nomination so switched parties. After becoming Mayor he switched to Independent.
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