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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 1:04:26 GMT
Aaron Rupar..
”TRUMP: "This will be, in my opinion, the most corrupt election in the history of our country. And we cannot let this happen."
In other words, the only legitimate votes are for him, any others are fake.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 4:11:48 GMT
Peter Wade...
”Aunt Jemima was canceled… She was the picture of the American dream. She was a freed slave who went on to be the face of the pancake syrup." -- A student at Trump’s event on Tuesday”
I got nothing for this...
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 24, 2020 7:34:10 GMT
Peter Wade... ”Aunt Jemima was canceled… She was the picture of the American dream. She was a freed slave who went on to be the face of the pancake syrup." -- A student at Trump’s event on Tuesday” I got nothing for this... I was just coming here to post this very story.... glad I searched first!
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Post by artgirl1 on Jun 24, 2020 12:00:06 GMT
”Trump: "People went to the polls and voted during World War I. They went to the polls and voted during World War II. We can safely go to the polls and vote during COVID-19." Someone should tell him that WWI and WWII were not CONTAGIOUS!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 12:59:03 GMT
This is HUGE.
If he is not seen to be invincible w/his COMMANDS to voters, he will start losing some of the fear factor he loves so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 13:12:47 GMT
FiveThirtyEight’s take on Biden’s VP pick in two parts. linkPart 1.. “The Debate Over Biden’s VP Pick Is Full Of Half-Truths And Misleading Arguments”“People who want Sen. Kamala Harris or another Black woman to be former Vice President Joe Biden’s running mate often claim that a Black woman will substantially boost enthusiasm among Black voters. Supporters of Sen. Elizabeth Warren for vice presidential nominee say that she will help Biden solidify support with younger voters and people who supported Sen. Bernie Sanders during the Democratic primaries. Others say Harris or Warren or other candidates will doom Biden with voting bloc X or fail to help him with group Z. Almost every case for or against a particular vice presidential candidate comes with an electoral argument. But most of these electoral claims are highly contestable, at best. It’s not that they should be dismissed out of hand. They matter. But as people in the Democratic Party advance their preferred candidates, they’re also doing a bit of hiding the ball. Electoral claims — “Person X will help win Michigan” — are often seen as objective and fact-based, even when they’re flimsy. But there are more obvious, non-electoral, cases for running mates that tend not to be voiced outright. So let’s unpack some of the pitches being made for vice presidential nominees and what might actually be motivating them. The case for a Black womanVP candidate(s) being promoted: Black women such as former Georgia House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams, Atlanta Mayor Keisha Bottoms, U.S. Rep. Val Demings of Florida, Harris and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice. Advocates: Prominent Black female political pundits and Democratic strategists such as former interim Democratic National Committee chair Donna Brazile; political commentators like Jonathan Capehart and Angela Rye; more establishment Black politicians such as Rep. James Clyburn and Rep. Alcee Hastings; other liberal, Black figures such as the Rev. Jesse Jackson. The main public argument: Black turnout will increase with a Black woman on the ticket. The real main argument: Representation. Democrats owe this to Black women. Could a Black woman help boost turnout among Black voters, which dipped in 2016 compared to 2012? Maybe. Some political science research shows that Black people vote at higher rates when a Black candidate is on the ballot, although that finding is somewhat contested, and that research is about voting for a Black candidate, not a white candidate with a Black running mate. That said, basically the only thing that Abrams, Bottoms, Demings, Rice and Harris have in common is that they are Black, women, and reportedly being considered as running mates by the Biden campaign. It’s really hard to claim that both Demings and Rice — the latter of whom has never even run for elected office — would obviously generate an electoral boost, and that those boosts would be of similar size. If the goal is to pick someone with skill in appealing to Black voters in particular, Abrams would seem to be head and shoulders above the rest of these Black women. She ran for governor and nearly won in a state with a huge Black population, in an election that saw a surge in Black voter turnout that was likely the result of her campaign. So why have people been calling for a Black woman generically to help boost Biden with Black voters, rather than homing in on a specific Black woman? Because the real case that’s being made is that Biden should pick a Black woman because it’s the just, moral and right thing to do — electoral considerations aside. There are two ideas at play here. First, there is what a Black female vice presidential candidate (and vice president) would mean for Black women in America. Political scientists have enumerated lots of kinds of political representation, and at least two apply here: “descriptive representation,” or how similar an elected official is to the people voting for them (so a Black female candidate’s physical presence would represent Black women), and “symbolic representation,” or what a candidate stands for in the minds of voters (so a Black female candidate could represent a step toward equality for Black women and also represent the political attitudes and behaviors of Black women). 2 Both kinds of representation could be achieved if Biden chooses a Black woman as his running mate. Secondly, Biden choosing a Black woman would be a nod toward both addressing the historic underrepresentation of Black women in high levels of American politics and rewarding Black women for their historic loyalty to the Democratic Party. “Though we have propped up the Democratic Party for decades, the return on our investment in the party might as well read, ‘insufficient funds,’” Rye and a group of other prominent Black women Democrats wrote in an op-ed in The Washington Post in May, urging Biden to pick a Black woman as his running mate. “Those days are over. We are here to collect,” they continued. “Very simply, Vice President Biden: You owe us, you need us and you must not take our votes for granted — they must be earned.” The attention on racial inequality in the wake of the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis has further galvanized Black Democrats around this view. But there is another huge factor, one that existed before Floyd’s death: the presence of Harris. A traditional qualification for nomination to the vice presidency is being a sitting or former governor or U.S. senator. And many previous vice presidential candidates had run for president (or at least tested the waters) themselves, both raising their national profiles and usually demonstrating some competency in talking about major policy issues, even if their campaigns were ultimately unsuccessful. But no state has ever had a Black woman as governor, and only two Black women — Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois and Harris — have ever been a U.S. senator. So Harris, unlike all but one other Black woman in U.S. history, has the most traditional qualifications to be the vice presidential nominee. In other words, this is a unique opportunity for anyone who wants to see a Black woman on the national ticket or serving as vice president — and they know it. Anyone who is making a case for a Black woman to be Biden’s running mate is implicitly making a case for Harris — she is by far the most qualified candidate, at least by the criteria historically applied in the veepstakes.“ Part II to follow
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 13:18:36 GMT
FiveThirtyEight’s take on Biden’s VP pick part II.
The case for not-Warren
VP candidate(s) being promoted: Abrams, Bottoms, Demings, Harris, Rice. Advocates: More centrist white Democrats such as Sen. Amy Klobuchar and ex-Sen. Heidi Heitkamp. The main public argument: A Black woman must be on the ticket in the wake of the Floyd protests. The real main argument: They oppose Warren being on the ticket on policy grounds.
As we wrote earlier this year, there is some evidence that a VP nominee can boost the ticket by about 2 or 3 points in her home state. But much of the veepstakes, before Floyd’s death, revolved around fairly weak claims made by reporters, columnists and various Democrats and Trump-skeptical Republicans that choosing a nominee from the Midwest such as Sen. Amy Klobuchar or Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan would boost Biden throughout that region. At the same time, some Democratic Party big donors argued that Warren specifically would hurt Biden electorally, so he should pick basically anyone else — even as polls suggested that a Biden-Warren ticket was just as strong as or stronger than a ticket pairing Biden with other potential vice presidential candidates.
The Floyd protests and the resulting conversation about racial issues has tamped down talk of Democrats picking a white Midwestern woman. 3 The post-Floyd focus on racial inequality effectively ended Klobuchar’s chances of being the vice presidential nominee. She had been the top prosecutor in Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis, which is now at the center of America’s debate on race and policing. Civil rights activists have criticized Klobuchar for rarely bringing charges against police officers in incidents when they injured or killed civilians. So Klobuchar on Thursday announced that she no longer wanted to be considered for the vice presidency (she seemed very unlikely to be chosen) and urged Biden to “put a woman of color on that ticket” in part to “heal this nation right now.”
Other white Democratic moderates and white, Trump-skeptical Republicans are making the same case now too — or least hinting at it. 4 (Despite Klobuchar’s use of the term “woman of color,” the push is really for a Black woman. We should emphasize Harris is both Asian American and Black.)
I’m skeptical of the sincerity of the people pushing for a Black woman now and tying the push to the Floyd protests. The representational case for a Black woman makes some sense and was being made by many prominent Black Democrats like Clyburn and Rye before Floyd’s death. But the idea that a woman (or person) of color will heal the nation seems fantastical. (Were these people alive from 2009-2016?) And the idea that Abrams, Bottoms or any of the other Black women being considered have roughly equal abilities to heal the nation in the midst of the Floyd protests (which is why advocates of this idea don’t feel the need to name a specific woman) seems fairly unfounded too.
So what’s actually going on here? An-Anybody-But-Warren campaign, with people wary of the Massachusetts senator becoming the vice presidential nominee arguably finding a new rationale to prevent her from being on the ticket.
Warren has been clashing with America’s political and financial elite for years. Many of those people are wary of her becoming the vice president for a 77-year-old man who may not seek a second term, meaning she might very well become president.
But her critics have little incentive to make that case in a straightforward way. It’s less controversial to publicly say, “We need a Black woman like Harris because America is divided on racial issues,” than “I oppose the fairly popular idea of a wealth tax because many of my clients in my lobbying job are very wealthy, so I don’t want Warren anywhere near the White House.” But making the first argument accomplishes the goal of the second.
A lot of Democrats opposed Sanders and Warren on ideological grounds during the primary, and those people haven’t gone away. I can’t prove that those people were lying or being disingenuous in touting Klobuchar or Whitmer’s appeal to moderate voters or Warren’s potential electoral downsides before Floyd’s death. Perhaps their interest in a Black woman as VP is sincere now.
But take Klobuchar as an example. She cast Warren as too liberal throughout the Democratic primary when the two women were rivals, blasted Medicare for All, which Warren supported, and never embraced other Warren-backed ideas like a wealth tax or breaking up Facebook. And Klobuchar, who has long positioned herself as a more centrist Democrat, has probably read Biden’s list of potential running mates like you and I have, and that list doesn’t include more liberal Black women like U.S. Reps. Barbara Lee or Ayanna Pressley.
Inherently, then, Klobuchar’s plea to pick a woman of color is also a call to pick someone like Harris or Rice, who have each taken fewer very-liberal stands than Warren — and I suspect Klobuchar knows this.
”The case for Warren
VP candidate(s) being promoted: Warren. Advocates: Progressive activists like actress Jane Fonda, grassroots organizer Taj James, former Labor secretary Robert Reich, Columbia University law professor Timothy Wu, leaders of progressive groups like African Communities Together, Democracy for America, the Sunrise Movement, Win Without War. The main public argument: Warren will boost the ticket electorally. The real main argument: They support Warren on policy grounds.
Progressive groups like Data for Progress and Indivisible are releasing polls and surveys that make three core arguments:
Warren is the most popular VP choice among Democrats, particularly younger Democrats, voters who supported Sanders during the primaries and core party activists; Warren is about as popular a VP choice among Black voters as any of the other potential candidates; and Warren is more popular than Harris specifically with young Black voters, who Democrats are hoping to get to turn out to vote in higher numbers and who seem kind of blah about Biden.
The progressives’ arguments are supported by some other polling as well. So they have a point. These surveys are useful in that they illustrate that Black political figures like Clyburn pushing for a Black woman on the ticket are not necessarily representative of Black voters overall, particularly younger ones. This polling, along with Warren’s popularity with some prominent Black progressives — which Klobuchar lacked even before Floyd’s death — help explains why the Massachusetts senator has not felt pressure to back out of the VP process even as more people call for a Black woman to be picked.
That said, the pro-Warren electoral argument from progressives is fairly weak. Looking at the data, it doesn’t appear that Black Democrats are really clamoring for Warren to be the VP. What’s most clear is that none of these potential VP candidates, neither the Black ones nor the non-Black ones, are the clear choice for Black Democrats. Harris, Klobuchar and Warren all did terribly among Black Democrats when they ran for president themselves.
Also, of course Warren is ahead of Bottoms and Demings among Black Democrats in polls about the vice presidency! Bottoms and Demings have not been major figures in national politics until recently, so many Democrats, Black and non-Black, likely have no idea who they are!
What’s really going on here: Progressives want Warren because she has a more liberal record than any of the other potential vice presidential candidates being considered.
What if the people who want a Black woman on the ticket as a show of appreciation for Black women just said that and left the predictions about Black turnout out of it? What if the centrists just said they don’t want Warren because she is too liberal? What if liberals just said they want Warren because she is a lefty?
Here’s why: The Democratic Party struggled to resolve major divides about policy and identity during the 2020 primary. Those divides still exist. Biden won the nomination because various factions in the party were able to agree that they were uncomfortable with Sanders being the party’s standard-bearer. But the more liberal and more centrist wings of the party still disagree on policy — and some of the party’s Black activists still feel like the party’s largely white leadership takes Black support for granted, and therefore does little to advance Black interests. That’s what the veepstakes is really about. Debates over electoral strategy obscure an argument about values and ideals.”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 13:21:49 GMT
Trump doesn't like or want to run a country.
Donald only likes to run a campaign and the adulation and power that he gets off on as president.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 13:27:43 GMT
Alex Burns...
”NYT poll: Biden takes a dominant lead over Trump, 50 to 36
Trump bleeding support even from once-loyal groups of whites and men
On the biggest challenges of his term, much of the country sees Trump as a failed president”
”Biden is improving on Clinton’s performance vs. Trump almost across the board. But his lead with college-educated white women is just staggering.
In 2016, Clinton carried that group by 7 points. Biden is now leading by 39 points.”
”Trump inspires far stronger feelings among voters than Biden does. But those feelings are mainly very negative.
Biden isn’t ahead by double digits because of his own runaway popularity. It’s because he’s broadly acceptable as an alternative to a strongly disliked incumbent.”
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 24, 2020 13:28:21 GMT
Peter Wade... ”Aunt Jemima was canceled… She was the picture of the American dream. She was a freed slave who went on to be the face of the pancake syrup." -- A student at Trump’s event on Tuesday” I got nothing for this... I was just coming here to post this very story.... glad I searched first! I’ve been seeing that same argument on Facebook as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 13:39:31 GMT
There is a bs meme making the rounds in the faux-Christian right about "them" "coming for my Christianity".
Best response I've seen so far.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 24, 2020 13:50:32 GMT
Aaron Rupar.. ”TRUMP: "This will be, in my opinion, the most corrupt election in the history of our country. And we cannot let this happen." In other words, the only legitimate votes are for him, any others are fake. Yep. There it is. He’s going to burn the place down if he doesn’t get re-elected. Hope secret service has a contingency plan for forcibly removing an ex-president who refuses to vacate the White House come January.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 24, 2020 14:23:30 GMT
MSNBC: Appeals court orders Flynn case be dismissed.
Let us not forget flynn pleaded guilty
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 24, 2020 14:34:58 GMT
”Biden is improving on Clinton’s performance vs. Trump almost across the board. But his lead with college-educated white women is just staggering. Everyone MUST vote! Do not count on the polls!!
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Post by hop2 on Jun 24, 2020 14:36:21 GMT
Law & order President my ass.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 24, 2020 15:32:49 GMT
MSNBC: Appeals court orders Flynn case be dismissed. Let us not forget flynn pleaded guilty Wtf???
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 24, 2020 16:23:55 GMT
Trump doesn't like or want to run a country. Donald only likes to run a campaign and the adulation and power that he gets off on as president. He just wants to win. To be seen as a winner. To be able to gloat over his opponents and those who hate him. He has never had a real interest in working for the good of this country or its people (clearly). It’s always been about winning and the power to take down anyone he perceives as his enemy.
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 24, 2020 16:44:07 GMT
Did anyone see Obama and Biden in their joint online fundraiser? I don’t know how to link just a short clip, but I do dearly hope that Biden was flat out trolling Trump by casually drinking a glass of water with one hand while a Obama was talking, I saw it on the Today show this morning and just about spit out my coffee I was laughing so hard,
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 17:30:11 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”When Don Ayer spoke for longer than his allotted time, Rep. Louie Gohmert began loudly tapping on his desk.
Ayer tried to talk over him.
Eventually, Rep. Hank Johnson suggested that Nadler might call the sergeant at arms to forcibly remove Gohmert for the interruption.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 24, 2020 17:34:05 GMT
gohmert is an ass closely aligned with his great leader!
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Post by greendragonlady on Jun 24, 2020 17:43:36 GMT
Did anyone see Obama and Biden in their joint online fundraiser? I don’t know how to link just a short clip, but I do dearly hope that Biden was flat out trolling Trump by casually drinking a glass of water with one hand while a Obama was talking, I saw it on the Today show this morning and just about spit out my coffee I was laughing so hard, Oops...I donated to that and forgot to log on to watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 18:05:33 GMT
Chris Hayes...
”So the Madison crowd last night: knocked over the statue of an abolitionist immigrant who died fighting for the union, a statue commemorating women's suffrage and beat up a 60 year old state senator and left him lying on the ground.”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 19:46:10 GMT
NPR....
”Black progressives appear to have surged in Tuesday's Democratic primaries, while some Republican candidates endorsed by President Trump did not fare as well on the GOP side.”
Good. If you want real change you show up and vote.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 19:48:41 GMT
Ana Cabrera...
”Sen. Rubio: "Everyone should just wear a damn mask."
I never thought I would agree with Rubio but I do, just wear the damn mask! Look at it as the newest fashion accessory.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 19:52:11 GMT
FiveThirtyEight... link”On its surface, large majorities of Americans support “police reform.” But “reform” is vague and gets complicated fast.” Boy that’s an understatement.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 19:55:20 GMT
Tim O’Brien...
”Ayer says he's never been as concerned about the future of the rule of law in the U.S. as he is right now.”
I’m glad someone is because it’s becoming clear not many do in this country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 20:31:55 GMT
George Takei....
”Polls only tell us who is likely to win more votes. But we Democrats need more than a squeaker, because they will come at us with disinformation, voter suppression, and dirty tricks. We need a wave so huge, Trump and the GOP cannot try to deny its legitimacy. EVERYONE must vote.”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 20:34:35 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”Donald Ayer says that Barr echoing Trump on false voter fraud claims is "just disreputable": "It really isn't his job anyway. If there were some law enforcement function there, it might be. But basically, he's just echoing the president, which is something he does more and more."
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 24, 2020 21:05:23 GMT
”Donald Ayer says that Barr echoing Trump on false voter fraud claims is "just disreputable": "It really isn't his job anyway. If there were some law enforcement function there, it might be. But basically, he's just echoing the president, which is something he does more and more." dis-barr-him does whoever whatever he chooses or what his best bud tells him to do! Too bad neither one of them has a spine, unable to stand on their own!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 24, 2020 22:26:25 GMT
We've been waiting for this one!! Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) lost his strive to take down a fake cow account on Twitter, the Fresno Bee reported.Judge John Marshall said that Twitter was “immune from the defamation claims of” Nunes from @devincow because federal law says social media companies aren’t liable for posts on their platforms. The Congressman was trying to get millions of dollars out of Twitter with his lawsuit. Nunes “seeks to have the court treat Twitter as the publisher or speaker of the content provided by others based on its allowing or not allowing certain content to be on its internet platform,” Marshall wrote. “The court refuses to do so.” Nunes had attempted to sue a fake cow on Twitter that has spent months trolling him about not being a real dairy farmer. The biggest problem Nunes had, however, was that his lawsuit increased so much attention to the fake cow account that it now has more followers than the Congressman does. Now it has another legal win under its cowbell. ** The lawsuit has just removed Twitter. However, Nunes’ attorney has said last week that they’re at a “dead end” on identifying two of the Twitter accounts. ** www.rawstory.com/2020/06/judge-rules-devin-nunes-cant-sue-twitter-over-trolling-by-fake-cow/
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