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Post by Linda on Jun 24, 2020 21:00:55 GMT
I've inherited the family papers (among other things) and by default, am now the family archivist.
Obviously I'm scanning or photographing but how do I keep these original papers, newspaper clippings, birth/baptism/death certificates safe for the future. Because I'm guessing my mum's method of stuffing them randomly into drawers was't the best practise, lol.
I do need to take cost into account - there are a LOT of papers and my budget is not unlimited. I'm looking strictly for storage/preservation ideas - I already have a plan for sharing.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 24, 2020 21:23:41 GMT
There is archival spray you can use but I have never done that. I think the only thing I worried about was old newspaper clippings since those are so fragile. I didn't really feel the need to have the original in it's same condition so I just used a laminater for those items or anything that was falling apart. All the other things that I scrapbooked were the originals and they are safe and sound in my books.
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Post by GiantsFan on Jun 24, 2020 21:27:45 GMT
"Because you scrapbook you can take the big box of family photos" said my mother many years ago when my parents moved. So I'm in custody of photos, documents, bibles, a quilt. (And I'm the one who has no children to pass this stuff on to)
Anyway, for the documents, bible and the quilt I originally bought the acid-free boxes from Michael's and had them stored each in its own box. Then I was given an archival project for work because I scrapbook. After a bit of internet research I found a local camera shop that sold museum quality archival items. After my work project I changed the family stuff to museum quality boxes.
For your project, see if there is a local to you place that sells archival items. If not you can order boxes and tissue paper from Uline. I would sort the items by branch of the family tree and pack them in boxes with the tissue paper between each item and label each item on the outside of the box.
ETA: For newspaper clippings you can get clear AF envelopes, or folders. So future generations can see the clipping but don't have to handle it. Also depending on how old you may want to use 100% cotton gloves to handle the items. I had to that with my work project.
ETA 2 : I bought the archival spray mentioned by workingclassdog, but I never used it. Oops!
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Post by Linda on Jun 24, 2020 21:33:10 GMT
workingclassdog - thanks - I'm not planning to put the originals into scrapbooks but I think there's some value in passing down the actual originals - maybe not? GiantsFan- I suspect because I scrapbook and do genealogy is why I inherited both from my mum and my MIL - funny how that works. I'll check out Uline - thank you - good idea on the AF envelopes - I love that idea.
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Post by GiantsFan on Jun 24, 2020 21:34:37 GMT
workingclassdog - thanks - I'm not planning to put the originals into scrapbooks but I think there's some value in passing down the actual originals - maybe not? @giantsfan - I suspect because I scrapbook and do genealogy is why I inherited both from my mum and my MIL - funny how that works. I'll check out Uline - thank you Yes, funny. Especially since I'm a DIGI scrapper! LOL!
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 24, 2020 22:54:50 GMT
Minimally put them in page protectors. If you can score some Archival Mist (has a different name now) spray the ones you really want to preserve. Keep them in a book away from light.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 24, 2020 22:55:20 GMT
workingclassdog - thanks - I'm not planning to put the originals into scrapbooks but I think there's some value in passing down the actual originals - maybe not? GiantsFan - I suspect because I scrapbook and do genealogy is why I inherited both from my mum and my MIL - funny how that works. I'll check out Uline - thank you - good idea on the AF envelopes - I love that idea. Definitely to each their own on how to save original documents... some are like me and some go the distance... in either case both ways work out. Good luck!!
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Post by clio on Jun 24, 2020 23:36:52 GMT
Hi - I spent my career in museums and have done some work with archives. Yes, acid free folders & boxes are best. Group materials in folders-there are obviously lots of ways to do this depending on how complicated you want to get. Do what works for you as this is your family archive. These are suppliers I would go to for good quality storage: University Products www.universityproducts.com/ or Gaylord www.gaylord.com/. The investment in good storage materials will lengthen the life of the collection-think of it as a long term gain. I’ve never heard of or used a spray on archival materials, guessing it may deacidify, etc, if you choose that route research & test before applying to anything. National Archives has resources like this article on newspaper clippings that can be very useful through their search option. www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2016/spring/preserve-clippings.html Also if there’s a library school nearby with an archives program they may be able to offer advice. Good luck & have fun!
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Post by joblackford on Jun 25, 2020 0:21:00 GMT
I've bought storage items from this company: before www.pfile.com/The crazy thing about the stuffing things randomly into drawers method is, while it makes it a pain to find and isn't very reliable for keeping things safe, a lot of it still survives - it's amazing! I think the key is keeping things out of sunlight and avoiding too much finger touching (unless the things are better used and enjoyed rather than preserved for posterity - depends on what it is). Although some archives prefer not to have people wear gloves because you lose dexterity if you can't feel your fingers and can actually do more damage from clumsiness than the finger oils would do. I did a local history project with the library where volunteers had clipped newspaper stories and put them in basic cardboard boxes to save for future filing. Some of the newspapers were from 1942 and even earlier and no one had quite managed to do anything with them. They were a bit brittle and discolored, but they survived, even with such minimal care. The bits that didn't survive were the folds. So I would advise laying things flat wherever possible, or having the creases in places where information won't be lost, and then leaving stuff alone in a closed box, pref an acid free box. Sorting and cataloguing, adding notes about WHY this stuff is important, is probably more valuable to the future/family than anything else. And the work you're already doing scanning and sharing
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Post by Linda on Jun 25, 2020 1:32:40 GMT
Thank you all -lots to consider - I appreciate the links to supplies. myboysnme - yes- that would be a good start, I think clio - thank you - good suggestions joblackford - yes, surprisingly they are in decent condition despite the lack of care. But I do want to organise, preserve, and document(source but also context) for the future.
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Post by amom23 on Jun 27, 2020 1:57:21 GMT
I always photo copy newspaper clippings using the color option as I don't think the archival mist stuff works so great.
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Post by dald222 on Jul 7, 2020 3:01:15 GMT
i was the family genialogist too all my life. it was great fun. i love it. i have a heritage challenge at scrapbook.com for years you are welcome to use it mi have monthly ideas but you never need to use them. i love scanning old photos & stuff I use the oriuginals photos and stuff to scrap here is the challenge you can check it out
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Post by dald222 on Jul 7, 2020 3:05:06 GMT
i was the family genialogist too all my life. it was great fun. i love it. i have a heritage challenge at scrapbook.com for years you are welcome to use it mi have monthly ideas but you never need to use them. i love scanning old photos & stuff I use the oriuginals photos and stuff to scrap here is the challenge you can check it out
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Post by dald222 on Jul 7, 2020 3:05:40 GMT
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Post by Linda on Jul 7, 2020 3:11:27 GMT
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Post by Embri on Jul 7, 2020 5:10:03 GMT
Clio's got good advice there. As someone who was also trained in the museum/archive field, I would be very wary of spraying down paper. Adding new material to objects is only done when that is no other option for preserving it and should be done by a conservationist or in consultation with one. In particular acidic buffers (which I'm guessing the spray is) can be temporary, and applying liquids to paper is almost always a bad idea. Further reading here: Mass Deacidification Maintaining a stable relative humidity and temperature is your best investment, followed by choosing safe storage - mylar, plexi, powder coated steel and unbleached cotton, are considered ideal but probably overkill for a home project. Keeping people's oily, moisture and contaminate riddled hands off the paper is priority #1. A lot of the so called 'acid-free' products are only acid free temporarily. Lignin and sulfur are the main culprits that acidify paper. What you want to look for are archival rated materials. Moral of the story: do your research before committing to a course of treatment, and give a serious side-eye to anything that isn't reversible.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 7, 2020 12:02:52 GMT
In particular acidic buffers (which I'm guessing the spray is) can be temporary, and applying liquids to paper is almost always a bad idea. Those mists are temporary acid-killers but they don't go to the core of the issue which is the actual paper, most of which is not 100% cotton but cheap tree pulp. You cannot save tree pulp forever. You can't even save wood forever. It will degrade. The idea is to block the amount of acid circulating between the different documents you're preserving using individual protective layers and an acid-free archival box. Linda if there are some very important documents and the acid-free page protectors aren't giving the documents enough support (physically) because they've started to degrade, look into something called polyester envelopes. They are more expensive but they give more support, won't damage or discolour your documents. Final basic advice: avoid touching documents with your hands. The natural oils are terrible for old documents. Wear gloves if possible or wash your hands just before (and dry them carefully with a clean towel) and lay out your documents on a completely clean surface.
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Post by Linda on Jul 7, 2020 12:58:37 GMT
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Post by dald222 on Jul 7, 2020 18:35:15 GMT
i read somewhere that the sprays people used ..you need to do it again
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Post by clio on Jul 7, 2020 19:20:58 GMT
Thanks Embri! ☺️
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Post by Embri on Jul 7, 2020 20:35:58 GMT
i read somewhere that the sprays people used ..you need to do it again Yes, because they're buffers, only a temporary solution to a long-term and unavoidable problem of wood pulp products. The danger is integral to the paper itself, and every treatment or handling increases the risk of damage.
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Post by dald222 on Jul 7, 2020 21:05:55 GMT
you said you had a limited budget. sprays are expensive.i do not use them after my 1st bottle
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Post by dald222 on Jul 7, 2020 21:21:57 GMT
i would not buy sprays at all they are expensive. years ago i had a bottle. i quit using it
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