Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Jun 27, 2020 15:53:29 GMT
One of our local sports journalists (stats guy) has been doing some interesting articles the last few months. Here is his latest.
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Post by kate on Jun 27, 2020 16:28:17 GMT
The first thing I thought was MASKS - despite the white-capped woman in the middle who's sporting the mask-as-necklace look  The protests still worry me, though. One of my kids keeps asking to participate, but I'm reluctant to agree unless it's right here in the neighborhood. It seems risky enough without adding public transportation to the mix.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jun 27, 2020 16:55:56 GMT
Virginia is STILL having protests in Richmond and we have not seen a rise in positive cases or deaths.
We also didn’t allow our state to freely open like opening day at a new amusement park. They even delayed some phases because we “weren’t ready” and we are required to wear masks inside stores or restaurants or other businesses—and surprise, we are one of the few states that have seen a decrease in every area measured.
We have a ton of problems, but it appears another massive Covid outbreak isn’t one of them right now. Super proud of our state leaders, even though they aren’t my favorite people..
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Post by sasha on Jun 27, 2020 17:00:24 GMT
Yet.
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Post by lindas on Jun 27, 2020 17:22:46 GMT
I would like to know how many protesters have actually been tested. In NYC contact tracers aren't allow to ask if you attended a protest link. I doubt we will ever know for sure if the protests contributed to the spread or not.
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Post by Merge on Jun 27, 2020 17:27:06 GMT
The fact that we’re not seeing big spikes in all the cities that had protests, but mostly just the ones where the state opened up aggressively and quickly, seems pretty telling to me. New York had massive protests. No spike.
Me, I’m watching for that big spike in Tulsa after the indoor rally of maskless wonders . You know it’s coming.
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Post by Just T on Jun 27, 2020 17:27:23 GMT
I would like to know how many protesters have actually been tested. In NYC contact tracers aren't allow to ask if you attended a protest link. I doubt we will ever know for sure if the protests contributed to the spread or not. I wonder if they will be allowed to ask if they attended a Trump rally?
I don't worry so much about the protests. 3 of my adult kids went to protests (one in Denver, 2 in the St. Louis area) and they said they saw hardly anyone without a mask. Even the protests they show on TV it always looks like most have masks on. I worry more about those who attend Trump rallies in tight indoor spaces, very few of who were wearing masks.
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Post by Merge on Jun 27, 2020 17:33:01 GMT
I would like to know how many protesters have actually been tested. In NYC contact tracers aren't allow to ask if you attended a protest link. I doubt we will ever know for sure if the protests contributed to the spread or not. I wonder if they will be allowed to ask if they attended a Trump rally?
I don't worry so much about the protests. 3 of my adult kids went to protests (one in Denver, 2 in the St. Louis area) and they said they saw hardly anyone without a mask. Even the protests they show on TV it always looks like most have masks on. I worry more about those who attend Trump rallies in tight indoor spaces, very few of who were wearing masks.
The experts keep saying that the greatest risk of transmission is through prolonged contact indoors. If the crowds were marching/moving, and obviously outdoors, prolonged contact would be much less likely than in an indoor venue like a bar or church where you’re literally standing/sitting there with the same people for an hour or more.
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Post by rodeomom on Jun 27, 2020 20:01:58 GMT
The fact that we’re not seeing big spikes in all the cities that had protests, but mostly just the ones where the state opened up aggressively and quickly, seems pretty telling to me. New York had massive protests. No spike. Me, I’m watching for that big spike in Tulsa after the indoor rally of maskless wonders . You know it’s coming. But will we get accurate numbers from Tulsa? Stitt is so up trump's butt, lots of people think he is "cooking the books".
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 27, 2020 20:20:28 GMT
We had an uptick in our little county that is partially related to protests. We were down to 3-4 new cases a day with some zeros thinking we were almost out of the woods when we had a week of 150 cases with almost all in the 20-30 age group with many mentioning they'd attended protests. I think we had an initial 50ish and then they ask anyone who'd attended a protest to get tested and there were another 100ish cases. Now the good news is there was no increase in hospitalizations or deaths, so hopefully that age group is staying far away from others. We're back down now in the last week, so fingers crossed it's just a blip.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 27, 2020 20:22:46 GMT
I wonder if they will be allowed to ask if they attended a Trump rally?
I don't worry so much about the protests. 3 of my adult kids went to protests (one in Denver, 2 in the St. Louis area) and they said they saw hardly anyone without a mask. Even the protests they show on TV it always looks like most have masks on. I worry more about those who attend Trump rallies in tight indoor spaces, very few of who were wearing masks.
The experts keep saying that the greatest risk of transmission is through prolonged contact indoors. If the crowds were marching/moving, and obviously outdoors, prolonged contact would be much less likely than in an indoor venue like a bar or church where you’re literally standing/sitting there with the same people for an hour or more. I'm not disagreeing that indoors is absolutely higher risk, but I think it's going to be a little tough to analyze the data as many, many people attended those big city protests from other areas. As I mentioned above, we saw an uptick in our county from those who had attended the protests an hourish away. Lots of young adults traveled to support BLM, so analyzing the data isn't going to be that straightforward.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jun 27, 2020 20:56:08 GMT
Massachusetts numbers are going down. We’ve had lots of protests. Only 2-3 days with rioting right at the beginning. My kids have gone to several protests in Boston and said almost everyone was wearing masks. I’m sure it varies across the country.
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Post by tentoes on Jun 27, 2020 21:06:44 GMT
We're having a bridal shower for my granddaughter in the back yard in July. We're thinking of calling it a PROTEST so we can have more than 25 people here. (The back yard is 2.5 acres)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 21:17:11 GMT
That is one smart virus that can tell the difference between a protest and a gathering of 100.
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Post by sunshine on Jun 27, 2020 21:41:35 GMT
Well, if thousands and thousands of people walking shoulder to shoulder, sitting right next to each other haven’t had an impact on spread, there shouldn’t be any spread concerns about Disney, Universal, outdoor baseball stadiums, parks, outdoor weddings, etc.
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Post by peabay on Jun 27, 2020 22:29:17 GMT
We went to one and everyone was in masks and everyone marched at least a little far apart. I felt really comfortable - you could socially distance very well and stay safe.
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Post by pierogi on Jun 27, 2020 22:29:59 GMT
I would like to know how many protesters have actually been tested. In NYC contact tracers aren't allow to ask if you attended a protest link. I doubt we will ever know for sure if the protests contributed to the spread or not. I wonder if they will be allowed to ask if they attended a Trump rally?
I don't worry so much about the protests. 3 of my adult kids went to protests (one in Denver, 2 in the St. Louis area) and they said they saw hardly anyone without a mask. Even the protests they show on TV it always looks like most have masks on. I worry more about those who attend Trump rallies in tight indoor spaces, very few of who were wearing masks.
I'm in Denver, and we were pleasantly surprised by how the vast majority of protestors here wore masks, and many were social distancing as well. Polis has been encouraging all protestors to get tested as well, which isn't difficult here.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 27, 2020 22:57:13 GMT
I'm in MN, our numbers are going down, and we were the hot bed of the protests. I honestly was surprised. A lot of people did wear masks though. They offered several sites of free testing a wk after the protests also. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Post by sasha on Jun 28, 2020 14:02:38 GMT
I really am hoping that there is no increase with protesting. That would bode well for outdoors with masks on in mass gatherings.
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Post by peabay on Jun 28, 2020 15:49:53 GMT
I really am hoping that there is no increase with protesting. That would bode well for outdoors with masks on in mass gatherings. The key is they are outdoors. It's the indoor rallies that are going to make people sick.
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Post by georgiapea on Jun 28, 2020 16:21:24 GMT
I attribute our Florida giant increase to our opening restaurants to inside dining and opening beaches. The beaches were supposed to limit numbers but that did not work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 16:30:15 GMT
It's the indoor rallies that are going to make people sick. So no one is going to complain about large outdoor rallies?
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Post by peabay on Jun 28, 2020 16:57:26 GMT
It's the indoor rallies that are going to make people sick. So no one is going to complain about large outdoor rallies? He can have those - I think he's less likely to make people sick (well, he'll always make some people sick). But having staffers remove the "do not sit here" stickers in arenas isn't helping anyone. I actually do think if he's going to have them, his rallies should be outdoors. It's safer, plain and simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 17:08:39 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 28, 2020 18:08:30 GMT
Many of those states are running behind. Results issued are in a lot of cases (depending on the state) for people who got tested 1-2 weeks prior. They might’ve been for Memorial Day gatherings. It’s really hard to say. Contact tracing and testing isn’t exactly equal in every state.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 18:15:05 GMT
Many of those states are running behind. Results issued are in a lot of cases (depending on the state) for people who got tested 1-2 weeks prior. They might’ve been for Memorial Day gatherings. It’s really hard to say. Contact tracing and testing isn’t exactly equal in every state. So if that's the case, then there's no way anyone can say that there isn't a spike in numbers due to the protests. I wear a mask at work and when in public. My kids wear masks. We stay home except when working or for necessary trips. My groceries are delivered and my kids don't play with their friends. We haven't traveled and we don't see friends and family. I don't like large gatherings of any kind. But to say that hundreds of thousands of people wearing questionable masks, if any at all, standing close, screaming and yelling and chanting won't cause a spike in COVID isn't realistic and is simply a politically motivated statement.
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Post by CeeScraps on Jun 28, 2020 21:42:07 GMT
I haven’t read everything. I had heard that when a person is being tested they cannot be asked if they were at a protest rally. So, have the protests changed the numbers? If the person can’t be asked and they don’t volunteer the information we will never know.
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 28, 2020 22:24:23 GMT
Many of those states are running behind. Results issued are in a lot of cases (depending on the state) for people who got tested 1-2 weeks prior. They might’ve been for Memorial Day gatherings. It’s really hard to say. Contact tracing and testing isn’t exactly equal in every state. So if that's the case, then there's no way anyone can say that there isn't a spike in numbers due to the protests. I wear a mask at work and when in public. My kids wear masks. We stay home except when working or for necessary trips. My groceries are delivered and my kids don't play with their friends. We haven't traveled and we don't see friends and family. I don't like large gatherings of any kind. But to say that hundreds of thousands of people wearing questionable masks, if any at all, standing close, screaming and yelling and chanting won't cause a spike in COVID isn't realistic and is simply a politically motivated statement. I don’t think it can be proved conclusively either way. In my town it didnt. We had quite a few very well attended protests in my town. No masks, no social distancing. No spike either. 🤷🏻♀️ I didn’t go because of that, so I can’t explain it.
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