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Post by librarylady on Jul 4, 2020 20:21:19 GMT
Young people are asked about meaning of July 4th.
I am shocked at the answers, even though I know the producers glean out the foolish ones to share. The woman who says she is a teacher and is not teaching the curriculum, but only how to protest has me alarmed. I hope she is recognized and removed from the classroom.
youtu.be/YC4Qg4IUkvY
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 4, 2020 20:48:37 GMT
Unfortunately THEY are our future! The future of our country too! Although many seemed willing to learn more, but said the teachers didn't have the time. So much today is based on testing testing standardized testing, not learning! Often a complaint I hear from teachers.
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Post by scrapngranny on Jul 4, 2020 21:03:11 GMT
I feel some what blessed. I’m old enough I won’t be around when this generation will be fully in charge
The down side is we are the generation that will always be accountable for Donald Trump.
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Post by ntsf on Jul 4, 2020 21:05:24 GMT
I worked after college as an interpreter at national historical sites --back in the 1980's.. the kids were just as ignorant then. most kids could not tell me which century was the civil war. I think there was poor instruction then in history.. and I think it is better now with more critical look.. rather than just dead white men history. but the kids are not learning or expecting to learn hard facts.. more of the interpretation of it. so if you quiz on hard facts.. the year of the declaration of independence, who were we fighting.. they are weaker on that.. and then non fiction reading has fallen out of favor. it is sort of assumed you can always look up the facts.
my own kids were pounded with the facts and the interpretations.. we visited museums, historical sites, talked about the pilgrims and the old white men.. and the native americans, the immigrants, along with the family stories of immigration. My kids were also lucky to grow up in multicultural environments.. as white kids, they were the minority.
I also took several courses in american political thought and history. I could bore you with facts and interpretation.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 4, 2020 21:20:55 GMT
Honestly, this is not something new or unique to this generation. When DH & I were studying for our citizenship exam it was horrifying how many people we knew couldn't answer the 100 questions for the test. I've always loved history, but many people have zero interest and loose any details they crammed in their brain for an exam almost immediately. I'm talking about otherwise well educated professionals.
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Post by busy on Jul 4, 2020 21:36:59 GMT
Every generation has its fools.
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Post by Zee on Jul 4, 2020 21:58:20 GMT
I don't even need to watch to tell you that young people are not just one group, there are so many thoughtful and kind and smart young people and I've raised two of them.
Get off my lawn.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 4, 2020 22:11:24 GMT
I spend a lot of time around teens because I have two of them, and they are overall much more informed about politics and history than the kids I grew up with in the 80s.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 4, 2020 22:25:16 GMT
The ignorant have always been here. Asimov had a great quote about a strain of ignorance running through America. I have been pretty impressed with the young in general. My one concern is that I seem to see a lot of group thinking. But when I look back, my generation did a lot of that too. Being an independent thinker, especially in the age of the internet, is a very good thing.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 4, 2020 22:36:28 GMT
I spend a lot of time around teens because I have two of them, and they are overall much more informed about politics and history than the kids I grew up with in the 80s. Thank you. This is exactly what I was going to say. I am excited about the future of this country, and the world, thanks to the passion and engagement of this generation. LOVE them!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 4, 2020 22:49:28 GMT
Earlier today I saw video of clips of Jordan Klepper from the Daily Show interviewing Trump supporters. The people they interviewed were not young, but they were plenty stupid. Like others have said, there are dumb people in every generation.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 4, 2020 22:53:51 GMT
I kind of think this is a bit unfair.
Yeah, there are some really idiotic answers. But overall (Covid parties notwithstanding) I feel pretty good about leaving this world in their hands, overall. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by psiluvu on Jul 4, 2020 23:56:57 GMT
I spend a lot of time around teens because I have two of them, and they are overall much more informed about politics and history than the kids I grew up with in the 80s. Thank you. This is exactly what I was going to say. I am excited about the future of this country, and the world, thanks to the passion and engagement of this generation. LOVE them! I agree with this. I have a 20 yr old and a 17 year. They and their friends are much more knowledgeable and even more engaged than I was in the 80s.
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Post by pyccku on Jul 5, 2020 2:21:31 GMT
I know a lot of amazing teens who grow up to be amazing young adults. Two years ago when I had seniors, every single one of the. Registered to vote and was politically engaged.
There are, of course, some stupid, poorly-informed adults out there. Where do you think they come from? They were the stupid, poor,y-informed teens of the past.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 5, 2020 3:07:00 GMT
Honestly, this is not something new or unique to this generation. When DH & I were studying for our citizenship exam it was horrifying how many people we knew couldn't answer the 100 questions for the test. I've always loved history, but many people have zero interest and loose any details they crammed in their brain for an exam almost immediately. I'm talking about otherwise well educated professionals. I love it when my old students will post something on FB they never leaned in school. Umm, yes, we did cover that. Several times. You just don't remember because it wasn't important to you at the time. Jay Leno used to interview "my generation" and older for years. They were often clueless too. I'm not worried about this generation. They will be just fine. Our parents said the same thing about us.
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Post by happyOCgirl on Jul 5, 2020 5:31:59 GMT
One tiny part of school and the 4th,it is during summer vacation. I *know for a fact history is taught during the school year. I taught first grade for two decades. We would have a Scholastic News and textbooks with lessons about holidays and events the week it happened. Learning American history throughout the year, it might become jumbled what specifically we celebrate today. I know most students have a general idea, but maybe not all the specifics. Since it is during summer, they didn't start in pre-school making 4th of July art projects. I hope that makes sense...I have had illegal fireworks going off for 4 hours now!
As an aside, I am teaching summer school right now (reading). We were reading about why there are fireworks on the 4th. One student unmutes himself (Zoom class) and asks about the Titanic. He thought it was around the same time as the first 4th. Another student says it's such a sad story because so many people died...because a shark bit a hole in the ship and it sank. They were both completely serious...4th and 5th graders. I am happy they asked the questions!
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Post by Dallie on Jul 5, 2020 11:59:52 GMT
I remember in the 1980s.visiting New England and seeing a Providence tv news story where they went to Brown University and asked them basic history questions. Vast majority could not tell you what century American Revolution or Civil War of World War II were in.
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Post by bearmom on Jul 5, 2020 12:18:45 GMT
I think this isn’t limited to any generation, I but you could target any generation and get similar results.
On the flip side dd corrected dh on a few history facts while watching Hamilton.
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 6, 2020 14:26:19 GMT
Alarming, but sadly kids don’t have the ignorance market cornered. I wish we had a video of kids who are trying to make a difference socially, politically, and by sweat. Hope is out there if you can get past the morons.
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 6, 2020 14:37:23 GMT
This kind of thing has been happening for a long time. Jay Leno routinely used to have a segment where he’d go out into the streets and ask questions about american history, current events, and show pictures of world leaders/politicians/well known people who were not famous for being in movies, tv, or sports. It was always astounding what those people didn’t know.
Honestly, those segments had a hand in getting me to pay more attention to current events and politics because I didn’t want to be one of the people who didn’t appear to know anything should I ever find myself in a situation like that. 😄
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 6, 2020 15:33:16 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 6, 2020 15:46:17 GMT
Jay Leno routinely used to have a segment where he’d go out into the streets and ask questions about american history, current events, and show pictures of world leaders/politicians/well known people who were not famous for being in movies, tv, or sports. It was always astounding what those people didn’t know. Kimmel does the same thing... They surely only show the worst of the responses. Who knows how many they edit out!!
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Post by katybee on Jul 6, 2020 16:07:14 GMT
Young people are asked about meaning of July 4th. I am shocked at the answers, even though I know the producers glean out the foolish ones to share. The woman who says she is a teacher and is not teaching the curriculum, but only how to protest has me alarmed. I hope she is recognized and removed from the classroom./span] youtu.be/YC4Qg4IUkvYShe is a bad example, but please understand that the social studies curriculum taught in schools today is extremely white-washed and one sided. (as it has always been). Here is TX, the standards are written by very conservative, state-elected officials and are reflective of their beliefs, only. She makes a very valid point—you cannot teach about Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks and George Washington Carver for a few days during February and think that’s good enough—but that’s pretty much what we do—even today. Yes—you need to teach all the standards that your state requires, but if you want to give your students a complete education, you are going to have to supplement it. Most importantly, you have to teach your students how to be critical thinkers and how to take responsibility for their own education—because we cannot possibly teach them everything there is to know. It makes me crazy that he even asked “Do you think your teachers taught you everything you need to know?” Of course they didn’t! Even if they were the best teacher in the world, they couldn’t. Pick up a freaking book! And, so you know, Campus Reform (who made the video) is extremely right leaning and the video was definitely done as a “gotcha.” (And yes—I know both sides do it. I just think it’s important to understand the bias behind things, no matter which side it comes from).
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 6, 2020 16:14:54 GMT
I still remember the Jay Leno one where they were asked to name the first 5 presidents. So many only knew Lincoln. They then asked a tourist from a different country and they busted out with all of them. I'll see if I can find it - it was pretty funny.
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Post by pridemom on Jul 6, 2020 16:40:14 GMT
It’s not poor instruction. It’s that kids don’t want to be bothered to learn it. My husband is an educator and it’s required for graduation now, just as it was when I was in high school.
I loved helping my coworker study for her citizenship test. I had heard that most Americans couldn’t pass it, but I thought it was easy. If an average American with a high school education can’t pass it, they’re ignorant and need to take some time to get educated.
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