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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 17:34:38 GMT
"The problem is that Trump's core assumption — one shared by most of the Republican Party, which has embraced the "reopening" strategy nearly across the board — is wrong. What's destroying the economy is and always has been the virus. There will be no economic recovery unless the virus is contained, no matter how many bars are open for business. Unfortunately, the mainstream media spread and reinforced this false narrative for months, making it impossible to have a meaningful public discussion about what it would it actually take both to protect public health and save the economy. As economist Paul Krugman explained in his New York Times column on Monday, "the 'rocket ship' recovery Donald Trump promised has crashed and burned" and job growth "appears to have stalled or reversed, especially in states that were most aggressive about lifting social distancing mandates." The reason is simple enough: You can reopen restaurants and bars all you want, but that won't restart the economy when most Americans are unwilling to go out and spend money, since doing so puts them and their families at obvious risk of severe lingering illness or death. This dichotomy between saving the economy and slowing the viral spread was always false, as I argued early on in the pandemic. Far from destroying the economy, in fact, aggressive lockdowns coupled with extensive government aid — as well as other measures Trump rejected, like widespread testing and mask mandates — offered the only real hope of containing the virus quickly enough to get back to normal. Now it's much too late for that, and the economic pain is going to be dragged out far longer than it had to be." "For instance, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, appeared on CBS on Sunday, denouncing an extension of unemployment benefits by arguing that "we have an absolute economic catastrophe" and "we have got to get America back to work." He went on to insinuate that restaurant employees who are on unemployment due to the pandemic are simply too lazy to return to work. This is, of course, complete honking nonsense. It's not just that these folks have a legitimate fear of getting the coronavirus, although that's true. But there's also no good reason to go back to work, when most potential customers are extremely unlikely to risk their lives by going out to eat. Cruz and his fellow Republicans don't actually care about an economic recovery, of course. If they did, as Krugman points out, they would have "wanted to sustain consumer purchasing power until wages recovered." There is literally only one way to do that: Robust unemployment benefits and other financial assistance. Reopening won't recover wages — businesses won't be able to pay their employees if they don't have customers. " www.salon.com/2020/07/29/health-vs-the-economy-it-was-always-a-bogus-choice-but-the-media-helped-spread-it/Americans suck at long-term thinking. Everything is "now, now, now". Quarterly earnings. Stock price. The way to handle this would have been EXTREME mobilization at the federal level of massive testing capability and contact tracing, immediate shutdown of the "economy vs. health" black/white thinking by anyone in government, public health, finance, etc.. You can't gaslight a pandemic. No matter how much you want to "go back to normal". IT'S NOT NORMAL. You deal in reality, not wishes and unproven hypotheses.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 29, 2020 17:41:27 GMT
Yeah that
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Post by tracylynn on Jul 29, 2020 17:55:41 GMT
100%
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Post by mikklynn on Jul 30, 2020 13:37:31 GMT
Agree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 5:12:12 GMT
How Team Jared f'ed up the Pandemic Response "The secret, and legally dubious, acquisition of those test kits was the work of a task force at the White House, where Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and special adviser, has assumed a sprawling role in the pandemic response. That explains the “WH” on the invoice. While it’s unclear whether Kushner himself played a role in the acquisition, improper procurement of supplies “is a serious deal,” said a former White House staffer. “That is appropriations 101. That would be not good.” Though Kushner’s outsized role has been widely reported, the procurement of Chinese-made test kits is being disclosed here for the first time. So is an even more extraordinary effort that Kushner oversaw: a secret project to devise a comprehensive plan that would have massively ramped up and coordinated testing for COVID-19 at the federal level. Six months into the pandemic, the United States continues to suffer the worst outbreak of COVID-19 in the developed world. Considerable blame belongs to a federal response that offloaded responsibility for the crucial task of testing to the states. The irony is that, after assembling the team that came up with an aggressive and ambitious national testing plan, Kushner then appears to have decided, for reasons that remain murky, to scrap its proposal. Today, as governors and mayors scramble to stamp out epidemics plaguing their populations, philanthropists at the Rockefeller Foundation are working to fill the void and organize enough testing to bring the nationwide epidemic under control. Inside the White House, over much of March and early April, Kushner’s handpicked group of young business associates, which included a former college roommate, teamed up with several top experts from the diagnostic-testing industry. Together, they hammered out the outline of a national testing strategy. The group—working night and day, using the encrypted platform WhatsApp—emerged with a detailed plan obtained by Vanity Fair. Rather than have states fight each other for scarce diagnostic tests and limited lab capacity, the plan would have set up a system of national oversight and coordination to surge supplies, allocate test kits, lift regulatory and contractual roadblocks, and establish a widespread virus surveillance system by the fall, to help pinpoint subsequent outbreaks. The solutions it proposed weren’t rocket science—or even comparable to the dauntingly complex undertaking of developing a new vaccine. Any national plan to address testing deficits would likely be more on the level of “replicating UPS for an industry,” said Dr. Mike Pellini, the managing partner of Section 32, a technology and health care venture capital fund. “Imagine if UPS or FedEx didn’t have infrastructure to connect all the dots. It would be complete chaos.” The plan crafted at the White House, then, set out to connect the dots. Some of those who worked on the plan were told that it would be presented to President Trump and likely announced in the Rose Garden in early April. “I was beyond optimistic,” said one participant. “My understanding was that the final document would make its way to the president over that weekend” and would result in a “significant announcement.” But no nationally coordinated testing strategy was ever announced. The plan, according to the participant, “just went poof into thin air.” In a statement, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said, “The premise of this article is completely false.” This summer has illustrated in devastating detail the human and economic cost of not launching a system of national testing, which most every other industrialized nation has done. South Korea serves as the gold standard, with innovative “phone booth” and drive-through testing sites, results that get returned within 24 hours, and supportive isolation for those who test positive, including food drop-offs.... AN ABORTED PLAN Countries that have successfully contained their outbreaks have empowered scientists to lead the response. But when Jared Kushner set out in March to solve the diagnostic-testing crisis, his efforts began not with public health experts but with bankers and billionaires. They saw themselves as the “A-team of people who get shit done,” as one participant proclaimed in a March Politico article." www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/how-jared-kushners-secret-testing-plan-went-poof-into-thin-air
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 5:13:13 GMT
Money quote: " “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” "
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 1, 2020 13:28:21 GMT
Imagine if we had shut everything down for real for six months under a president who told his followers that their patriotic duty was to follow the shutdown.
You’d all been enjoying a lovely summer by now.
ETA: I meant six weeks! Whoops!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 13:50:18 GMT
Imagine if we had shut everything down for real for six months under a president who told his followers that their patriotic duty was to follow the shutdown. You’d all been enjoying a lovely summer by now. Fauci: Virus rampant in U.S. because of inadequate, patchwork shutdowns "The Trump administration's decision to leave coronavirus shutdown decisions to the states created a patchwork of policies that effectively only imposed restrictions on about half of the country, NIH infectious diseases expert Anthony Fauci told a House hearing on Friday. “There were some states that did it very well, and there were some states did not," Fauci told the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis Friday morning without elaborating. The director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases appeared with CDC Director Robert Redfield and Trump administration testing czar Brett Giroir at the hearing as the scope of the outbreak continued to spread north and toward the coasts. Spread is only contained in 12 states while 27 are exhibiting new all-time highs, according to a daily update from Morgan Stanley. Panel Chair Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) sought to contrast Covid-19 cases in the United States and Europe, where nations took a more centralized approach to restrictions. Responding to a chart Clyburn displayed, Fauci noted European countries shut down activities "to the tune of 95-plus percent of the country" and brought cases down to a much lower baseline for disease spread before reopening." www.politico.com/news/2020/07/31/fauci-virus-rampant-inadequate-shutdowns-389512And because Americans got played into voting for a loser who games every situation to look for his own advantage - including the health and safety of 320+ million Americans. In trying to pwn the libs, the GOP and right-wingers and "god, guns, gays" crowd, pwned themselves.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 1, 2020 15:57:50 GMT
Money quote: " “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” " Did't some one in DC suggest locking down some state borders? Or think about the people who work across state lines all over the country! Imagine if we had shut everything down for real for six months under a president who told his followers that their patriotic duty was to follow the shutdown. You’d all been enjoying a lovely summer by now. Wouldn't have needed to be six months... There are some truly essential services which cannot be shut down. Hospitals and their employees ((might have to live in for the duration), police, fire services, water/sewerage departments, possibly garbage collections. In fact all of them might have to be live in! With proper notice and CO-ORDINATION everyone/household could be prepared to do it. You want to go out, fine, you will be stopped, detained in a facility for the duration! Better to stay at home with comfort and family!
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 1, 2020 16:02:54 GMT
Money quote: " “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” " Did't some one in DC suggest locking down some state borders? Or think about the people who work across state lines all over the country! Imagine if we had shut everything down for real for six months under a president who told his followers that their patriotic duty was to follow the shutdown. You’d all been enjoying a lovely summer by now. Wouldn't have needed to be six months... There are some truly essential services which cannot be shut down. Hospitals and their employees ((might have to live in for the duration), police, fire services, water/sewerage departments, possibly garbage collections. In fact all of them might have to be live in! With proper notice and CO-ORDINATION everyone/household could be prepared to do it. You want to go out, fine, you will be stopped, detained in a facility for the duration! Better to stay at home with comfort and family! Sorry, I meant six weeks!
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Post by SAHM wannabe on Aug 1, 2020 16:30:24 GMT
I believe the science and the experts. Unfortunately, orange guy did not heed their advice and we are still dealing with the trump virus.
Moving forward to the election, let’s hope, pray, chant, beg, whatever we believe in, for Biden to win. He wouldn’t take office until January 2021. This seems like an eternity and who knows where the trump virus will be by then.
What are the chances we will have a reset in 2021 and shut down again? Will the naysayers and orange guy fanatics abide by new regulations or continue with their “it’s a hoax” line of thinking? How would mandates be enforced when there are currently officials who say they won’t enforce them? Other than a vaccine, I just don’t see a plausible way out of this mess.
I want to be optimistic and think everything will start improving when a real leader is in office, but the division we have in our country seems insurmountable. We will need huge efforts, but I feel that baby steps will be the reality.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 1, 2020 18:08:01 GMT
Sorry, I meant six weeks! Not a problem.... Thinking even six weeks would not be enough with an overlap. Two weeks within a family of four could be at least 8 weeks, if each one got it separately. What are the chances we will have a reset in 2021 and shut down again? Will the naysayers and orange guy fanatics abide by new regulations or continue with their “it’s a hoax” line of thinking? How would mandates be enforced when there are currently officials who say they won’t enforce them? Other than a vaccine, I just don’t see a plausible way out of this mess. THIS could be a situation for the use of the military. NY did it in an area.. They made 'borders', the National Guard delivered food and other needed items. People were not confined by guns or anything, just common sense, they mostly stayed within the town area!
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